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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
January 13 2021 18:53 GMT
#60321
On January 14 2021 03:51 Silvanel wrote:
Wait, someone destroyed alarms to allow those maniacs to get in? I havent read about that before.

Supposedly panic buttons had been removed too.

https://www.newsweek.com/capitol-hill-riots-panic-buttons-torn-out-staffer-1561191
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 13 2021 18:55 GMT
#60322
When I said alarms i meant panic buttons, my bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 13 2021 19:44 GMT
#60323
--- Nuked ---
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
January 13 2021 19:44 GMT
#60324
These 30 second soundbite speeches are meh, but Kildee did some up the issue very succinctly "If inciting an insurrection does not warrant impeachment, nothing does".

It still feels like someone's crossing wires in my brain when I hear some of the republican house member's rationale for not supporting it. Have I simply spent too much of my life surrounded by people whose intention is to convey information about some approximation of reality to parse republican sentences?

I'm just not able to build a model of the world in which a statement like Cawthorn's makes any fucking sense.

I'm willing to take the first step and extend my hand across the isle to say - vote against impeachment, vote in favor of a unified nation and I will forsake partisanship and work with you...

Real nice reach across the isle there for a position no-one on the other side of the isle is even gonna consider. Nothing says supporting unity like going against the better judgement of the majority of your colleagues. It's like there's not a single facet to that statement that isn't some form of doublespeak, or just outright nonsense.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-13 20:01:40
January 13 2021 19:54 GMT
#60325
"I'm gonna reach across the aisle to drag you to my side. Unity is only defined as you giving me what I want."

Fuck 'em. We cannot negotiate with terrorists. That needs to be established fucking yesterday.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7327 Posts
January 13 2021 19:54 GMT
#60326
Cawthorn is a complete piece of shit. Hes the guy whos first tweet after being elected was "Cry more, lib" the fact that this guy has any platform, along with the Qanon nutjob, is further proof that theres pockets of our country that are long past being saved.

Anyone who votes for these pieces of trash should be ashamed of themselves.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
January 13 2021 19:57 GMT
#60327
On January 14 2021 04:54 Sadist wrote:
Cawthorn is a complete piece of shit. Hes the guy whos first tweet after being elected was "Cry more, lib" the fact that this guy has any platform, along with the Qanon nutjob, is further proof that theres pockets of our country that are long past being saved.

Anyone who votes for these pieces of trash should be ashamed of themselves.

But they're just a fringe group that will never have any real traction, you see. You're an idiot for worrying about what they might do with an enabler-in-chief in the White House, and I'm going to now write walls to text to talk down to you because your priorities are out of whack. We need to be spending the bulk of our energy working against the real threats to our nation, like Antifa.

I mean, who even says that?
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
January 13 2021 20:04 GMT
#60328
I'm worried about the threatened armed protests at the state's capitols. Hopefully DC will be locked down with a concerted effort but all the rest feels like wildcards at this point. Especially places with lax gun laws and lots of Trump supporters (high overlap I would think). It just takes one person with explosives or high capacity magazines to wreck carnage.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
January 13 2021 20:16 GMT
#60329
I absolutely do not believe that the violence ended on Wednesday. All indications are that they're still planning more. They won't be happy until they take the country by force.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 13 2021 20:17 GMT
#60330
There needs to be an investigation about whatever panic buttons were removed prior to the riot breaching capitol police line. Representatives escorting visitors should only have access to their own offices.

Also, don’t go ballistic over a member saying Pelosi had been taken to safety. If you want to condemn any use of social media during the riot by members and their staffs, go that route.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9188 Posts
January 13 2021 20:18 GMT
#60331
On January 14 2021 04:44 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
These 30 second soundbite speeches are meh, but Kildee did some up the issue very succinctly "If inciting an insurrection does not warrant impeachment, nothing does".

The comedic timing of what happened on the 6th doesn't get enough appreciation. Just a few days prior the Georgia SoS tape came out which was one of the most impeachable actions ever done by a sitting president and now is a footnote.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9798 Posts
January 13 2021 20:20 GMT
#60332
On January 14 2021 05:17 Danglars wrote:
There needs to be an investigation about whatever panic buttons were removed prior to the riot breaching capitol police line. Representatives escorting visitors should only have access to their own offices.

Also, don’t go ballistic over a member saying Pelosi had been taken to safety. If you want to condemn any use of social media during the riot by members and their staffs, go that route.


So you think she was trying to reassure all of her insane QAnon Trump supporting Twitter followers that the speaker was ok?
RIP Meatloaf <3
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-13 20:22:53
January 13 2021 20:20 GMT
#60333
On January 14 2021 05:17 Danglars wrote:
There needs to be an investigation about whatever panic buttons were removed prior to the riot breaching capitol police line. Representatives escorting visitors should only have access to their own offices.

Also, don’t go ballistic over a member saying Pelosi had been taken to safety. If you want to condemn any use of social media during the riot by members and their staffs, go that route.

The goings-on of members of Congress, where they are, what they're doing, their current status, and more should all be hush-hush when shit like this breaks out. Nobody should know anything is even going on unless it's in broad daylight. A congressional chamber does not count. It's ignorant and harmful at best, malicious with intent to further attacks at worst. Boebert had no business posting on social media about it, where everyone can see, when she was repeatedly told not to. That's national security shit, my dude.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-13 20:22:14
January 13 2021 20:21 GMT
#60334
On January 14 2021 05:17 Danglars wrote:
There needs to be an investigation about whatever panic buttons were removed prior to the riot breaching capitol police line. Representatives escorting visitors should only have access to their own offices.

Also, don’t go ballistic over a member saying Pelosi had been taken to safety. If you want to condemn any use of social media during the riot by members and their staffs, go that route.

There's a really, really, really troubling pattern of behavior from that member. She has repeatedly said she's going to take weapons into the chamber, has been arrested multiple times, and is an all around lunatic. She was also specifically told NOT to tweet that by security forces. If it had been from someone without all of those attributes, that would be believable. It's not.

At this point, the burden is on her to prove she's not trying to get people killed, as all of her actions (and many of her words) scream that she has been trying that.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
January 13 2021 20:24 GMT
#60335
On January 14 2021 05:04 Starlightsun wrote:
I'm worried about the threatened armed protests at the state's capitols. Hopefully DC will be locked down with a concerted effort but all the rest feels like wildcards at this point. Especially places with lax gun laws and lots of Trump supporters (high overlap I would think). It just takes one person with explosives or high capacity magazines to wreck carnage.

Fortunately for Oregon, dealing with right wing terrorists is like Canadians shoveling snow at this point. Won’t be long until we add right wing violence to our school drills
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-13 20:26:52
January 13 2021 20:26 GMT
#60336
On January 14 2021 05:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2021 05:04 Starlightsun wrote:
I'm worried about the threatened armed protests at the state's capitols. Hopefully DC will be locked down with a concerted effort but all the rest feels like wildcards at this point. Especially places with lax gun laws and lots of Trump supporters (high overlap I would think). It just takes one person with explosives or high capacity magazines to wreck carnage.

Fortunately for Oregon, dealing with right wing terrorists is like Canadians shoveling snow at this point. Won’t be long until we add right wing violence to our school drills

Did they ever find the congresspeople in Oregon who were hiding in the wilderness to prevent there from being a quorum after Dems took control? Or was that Washington...
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
January 13 2021 20:43 GMT
#60337
On January 14 2021 05:26 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2021 05:24 Mohdoo wrote:
On January 14 2021 05:04 Starlightsun wrote:
I'm worried about the threatened armed protests at the state's capitols. Hopefully DC will be locked down with a concerted effort but all the rest feels like wildcards at this point. Especially places with lax gun laws and lots of Trump supporters (high overlap I would think). It just takes one person with explosives or high capacity magazines to wreck carnage.

Fortunately for Oregon, dealing with right wing terrorists is like Canadians shoveling snow at this point. Won’t be long until we add right wing violence to our school drills

Did they ever find the congresspeople in Oregon who were hiding in the wilderness to prevent there from being a quorum after Dems took control? Or was that Washington...

Yup that was us. We got what we needed. We were also the ones with the occupied nature reserve. And the ones who had a state congressman letting terrorists in for our local coup. He got mad at people saying he did something bad.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9798 Posts
January 13 2021 21:00 GMT
#60338
The headlines today are about republicans turning on Trump, but I don't see that at all.
I see a bunch of spineless cowards who have an opportunity to say 'never again will the US be beset by homegrown white supremacist terrorism' and instead saying 'Yeah but what about BLM?'
RIP Meatloaf <3
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-13 21:16:34
January 13 2021 21:15 GMT
#60339
On January 14 2021 06:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
The headlines today are about republicans turning on Trump, but I don't see that at all.
I see a bunch of spineless cowards who have an opportunity to say 'never again will the US be beset by homegrown white supremacist terrorism' and instead saying 'Yeah but what about BLM?'

This is the house. It hasn't had more than a handful of openly sane republicans in it since they went full gerrymandering in 2010 and all their moderates got primaried by lunatics when they realized only a republican could win. To make matters worse for them, if they do get sent packing they go back to their districts and have to find real jobs within 2 years - meaning that these death threats are gonna hit a lot closer for them than for any senators who have a much longer term (6 years, meaning most aren't up for 4 + years).

The senate is where they're turning on him - indicated by reports that the head of the party there (and effectively the 2nd or 3rd most powerful person in washington after Biden is elected, and currently the 2nd most) is going to vote for Impeachment. The senate only had 8 out of 54 GOP vote for Trump's nonsense, while the house had >50% of the GOP vote for Trump's nonsense even after the coup attempt. Granted, at least half of those are true believers, but a ton of the house are just paying lip service because they're cowards, and pretty much no one in the senate is a true believer.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
January 13 2021 21:20 GMT
#60340
On January 14 2021 05:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2021 05:04 Starlightsun wrote:
I'm worried about the threatened armed protests at the state's capitols. Hopefully DC will be locked down with a concerted effort but all the rest feels like wildcards at this point. Especially places with lax gun laws and lots of Trump supporters (high overlap I would think). It just takes one person with explosives or high capacity magazines to wreck carnage.

Fortunately for Oregon, dealing with right wing terrorists is like Canadians shoveling snow at this point. Won’t be long until we add right wing violence to our school drills


Man that is scary . Luckily we don't have that in Hawaii but there's a surprising amount of trumpers coming out of the woodwork. On the local news they said our capitol building is one of the most open and least secure in the country.
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