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FlaShFTW
United States10236 Posts
On January 06 2021 16:06 LegalLord wrote: Looks like it's more likely than not that Republicans will hold on to the Georgia public service commissioner position though, lol. I think, above all else, shows that moderates are now sick of the Republican party at the federal level but can still trust their state/local Republicans. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On January 06 2021 16:14 FlaShFTW wrote: I think, above all else, shows that moderates are now sick of the Republican party at the federal level but can still trust their state/local Republicans. States like Georgia and Arizona by all means should not be voting for Democrats for president and Senate. If you spend any amount of time in those states, you would see that they are quite red in nature. It's just that when you put up idiots like McSally or these two as your candidate, even the reliably red states start to have second thoughts about if they really should be voting party-line. I expect a few flips back to red in 2026 barring any exceptional circumstances, but they dun goofed this time around. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14047 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7917 Posts
On January 06 2021 16:27 LegalLord wrote: States like Georgia and Arizona by all means should not be voting for Democrats for president and Senate. If you spend any amount of time in those states, you would see that they are quite red in nature. It's just that when you put up idiots like McSally or these two as your candidate, even the reliably red states start to have second thoughts about if they really should be voting party-line. I expect a few flips back to red in 2026 barring any exceptional circumstances, but they dun goofed this time around. Atlanta and its suburbs are super blue. Also democrats probably have the advantage in that race, just because enabling the president you just elected is more motivating than making sure nothing happens for the next two years. I also suspect that the rep lost a lot of people with Trump's tantrum and them being too spineless to tell him that you can't just steal an election (when they didn't just go with it). | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9717 Posts
On another note, its shocking to me that the rural voters of Georgia only get 1 vote. I mean there's more people in the cities, so surely rural voters should get to vote as many times as they want just to balance it out and make it fair. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21953 Posts
On January 06 2021 19:14 Furikawari wrote: temper those expectations. your not going to pass real progressive agenda's in a 50/50 senate. Way to many conservative Democrats for that.Gratz to the democrats, now it's time to go progressive for real guys This is about removing the power from McConnell and being able to actually bring things to vote in the Senate, even if you can't win the ones you want. At least you can get Republicans on record to attack them with the next election rather then allow them to say something without ever having to back it up because McConnell doesn't allow it to be voted on. | ||
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Slydie
1927 Posts
On January 06 2021 19:43 Gorsameth wrote: temper those expectations. your not going to pass real progressive agenda's in a 50/50 senate. Way to many conservative Democrats for that. This is about removing the power from McConnell and being able to actually bring things to vote in the Senate, even if you can't win the ones you want. At least you can get Republicans on record to attack them with the next election rather then allow them to say something without ever having to back it up because McConnell doesn't allow it to be voted on. Yes, I am really looking forward to Trump and McConnell not being able to poison US politics for a while. Super majorities tend to be fragile, the house could easily fall in midterms if the Dems don't play their cards right and make a difference for people and not just their donors. The GOP will have a lot of soul searching to do after this, and the path forward is far from clear. The democrats have everything to gain from widening and extending the GOP divide as much as possible, but their own internal disagreements will also be a lot more visible from now on. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
This is when a man kills someone and claims that he was protecting himself from a same-sex pass or an attempted sexual assault. The offender uses the gay panic defense as an excuse or justification to try to evade punishment for the crime of murder. defense attorneys who enter gay panic defenses can reduce a defendants’ murder charges 32% of the time, even though the majority of these homicides involve incredible violence. https://theconversation.com/i-track-murder-cases-that-use-the-gay-panic-defense-a-controversial-practice-banned-in-9-states-129973 | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
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Slydie
1927 Posts
It won't matter much with so little time left, but it would look good for the history books and set some good presence for acceptable use of power by future presidents. Also, Trump deserves an exit as humiliating as possible imo. | ||
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brian
United States9632 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28707 Posts
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
On January 06 2021 21:01 Elroi wrote: Do you have more information about these cases. I mean "when a man kills someone and claims that he was protecting himself from [...] an attempted sexual assault" sounds kind of legit? Is it legit when a lot of these cases involve a huge amount of overkill and theft like the article states? The problem is that the construction of the defense often isn't the form of "when a man kills someone and claims that he was protecting himself from [...] an attempted sexual assault". It is often presented as an impulsive act, basically claiming the defendant had a mental illness, to justify the defendant stabbing a perhaps homosexual man 20 times in the chest and taking all the cash out of his wallet. So instead of first degree murder, it gets pushed down to second degree or even manslaughter. In some cases, its basically a Hail Mary where you're praying that the jury is homophobic enough to justify overkill and theft...its not foolproof successful but a ~32% success rate are preeeeeettty good odds for cases that wouldn't have worked if the person was a woman. From memory there was a murder in 1950s Miami. What happened was that a pair of criminals had a sort of catfishing operation. They would have one lure gay men, take them to a secluded spot, and then have the both of them jump their victims and rob them blind. Except one time, they fucked up and ended up shooting and killing a guy for whatever reason. In court, they managed to invoke the gay panic defense and got away with manslaughter. Despite being criminals who robbed gay men by promising them a good time. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On January 06 2021 21:01 Elroi wrote: Do you have more information about these cases. I mean "when a man kills someone and claims that he was protecting himself from [...] an attempted sexual assault" sounds kind of legit? Well you can read more about such cases in the the American Bar Association proclamation for banning the gay and trans panic defenses. Jorge Steven Lopez-Mercado, age 19, was decapitated, dismembered and burned for being openly gay, but according to the police investigator on the case, “people who live this lifestyle need to be aware that this will happen.” When Matthew Shepard, age 21, made a pass at two men in a gay bar, he should have expected to be beaten, pistol-whipped, tied to a fence, and left to die. When Emile Bernard was stabbed, beaten and blinded after coming on to a hitchhiker, his assailant claimed he could not be guilty since the victim “was asking for trouble” by making sexual advances. If Angie Zapata, age 18, hadn’t initially “hidden” that she had male anatomy, her attacker would never have bludgeoned her to death with a fire extinguisher. And when a fellow student shot Larry King, age 15, execution-style in front of their teacher and classmates, his actions were understandable because Larry wore dresses and heels, and said “Love you, baby!” to him the day before. These are actual defenses, offered by real defendants, in United States courts of law that have succeeded in mitigating or excusing real crimes, even today. https://lgbtbar.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Gay-and-Trans-Panic-Defenses-Resolution.pdf | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21953 Posts
On January 06 2021 21:55 Slydie wrote: And give Pence a better excuse to pardon Trump? Nah I don't see the point.Is winning those senate seats a go-signal to start a quick impeachment process over the Georgia call? It won't matter much with so little time left, but it would look good for the history books and set some good presence for acceptable use of power by future presidents. Also, Trump deserves an exit as humiliating as possible imo. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45049 Posts
On January 06 2021 22:28 Liquid`Drone wrote: what's worth more tho, those 3 or 3 SC appointments? While the longevity of SCJ seats should not be understated, having a functioning legislative *and* executive branch is crucial to at least getting the ball rolling on a lot of meaningful reforms. I don't think the Supreme Court is going to blindly rule everything as unconstitutional in the same way that McConnell effectively blocked everything. That being said, the Dems still need to keep both houses over the next few years too. The longer, the better. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On January 06 2021 19:43 Gorsameth wrote: temper those expectations. your not going to pass real progressive agenda's in a 50/50 senate. Way to many conservative Democrats for that. This is about removing the power from McConnell and being able to actually bring things to vote in the Senate, even if you can't win the ones you want. At least you can get Republicans on record to attack them with the next election rather then allow them to say something without ever having to back it up because McConnell doesn't allow it to be voted on. When you live in a country where you have adequate social safety nets, it's easy to look elsewhere and tell people to temper their expectations. How long do you suggest we do so? This mythical "next election"? After that, who do we hold accountable? I'm not going to listen to people who complain day in and day out about Republicans ruining the country, and in the same sentence say stuff like "temper expectations" when Democrats have the majority in the house/senate. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On January 06 2021 22:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: While the longevity of SCJ seats should not be understated, having a functioning legislative *and* executive branch is crucial to at least getting the ball rolling on a lot of meaningful reforms. I don't think the Supreme Court is going to blindly rule everything as unconstitutional in the same way that McConnell effectively blocked everything. That being said, the Dems still need to keep both houses over the next few years too. The longer, the better. Also, with a senate majority, can't the democrats put more judges on the SC? | ||
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