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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:12 Diavlo wrote: Also, with a senate majority, can't the democrats put more judges on the SC? Theres no way that happens with just 50 dems. If you had 55 dems, you probably could, but there are still blue dog dems in the senate who wont allow that vote to go | ||
KwarK
United States43737 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:12 Diavlo wrote: Also, with a senate majority, can't the democrats put more judges on the SC? Too gutless to fight fire with fire. They’ll let Mitch steal from them but they won’t replace what he stole. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13992 Posts
On January 06 2021 22:28 Liquid`Drone wrote: what's worth more tho, those 3 or 3 SC appointments? Imo the SC appointments, but at this point, I think the Dems are just happy to take what they can get. As for the Senate Race itself, Warnock has been declared, but whatof Ossof, recount happening? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8000 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:25 KwarK wrote: Too gutless to fight fire with fire. They’ll let Mitch steal from them but they won’t replace what he stole. Frankly, not taking that road might just be basic wisdom. What prevents republican from adding 4 more seats too next time they win? Where does it stop? | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:30 Biff The Understudy wrote: Frankly, not taking that road might just be basic wisdom. What prevents republican from adding 4 more seats too next time they win? Where does it stop? Nothing prevents the republicans to do it and I'm absolutely sure they would if the situation was reversed and republican judges were in the minority. I can see the argument for not removing the filibuster in case the republican get the majority again but this is different. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:28 Cricketer12 wrote: Imo the SC appointments, but at this point, I think the Dems are just happy to take what they can get. As for the Senate Race itself, Warnock has been declared, but whatof Ossof, recount happening? It would take some really weird patterns for Ossof to end up within recount range. Ballots to trend R despite other ones trending D, a ton of places misreporting their outstanding ballots, etc. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On January 06 2021 15:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I had heard rumors that a lot of Trump supporters were talking about not voting and purposely sabotaging the Republican party in these special elections, as payback for the establishment not entirely supporting Trump's temper tantrums about election fraud and trying to stay as president. Thoughts? It seems that both of these special elections are really close. Not exactly rumors. There were billboards in GA saying not to vote because of this. There was a really funny townhall shortly after the 2020 election with Ronna (Romney) McDaniel where an audience member said this and you could just see her die inside. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8000 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:38 Diavlo wrote: Nothing prevents the republicans to do it and I'm absolutely sure they would if the situation was reversed and republican judges were in the minority. I can see the argument for not removing the filibuster in case the republican get the majority again but this is different. I don't think it is. Adding justices for partisan reasons is a subversion of the constitution. The reps have shown they don't give two shits about democracy and american institutions, it's reaaaally not a great idea to imitate them. There are many ways to exploit the constitution that have been lines in the sand. As long as those lines exist, better not to cross them. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:47 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't think it is. Adding justices for partisan reasons is a subversion of the constitution. The reps have shown they don't give two shits about democracy and american institutions, it's reaaaally not a great idea to imitate them. There are many ways to exploit the constitution that have been lines in the sand. As long as those lines exist, better not to cross them. While that sounds correct, I have to disagree with it in practice. The supreme court's size has been adjusted multiple times throughout history, and it was never immediately reverted in the next term. The original size of it was 5. It costs a lot of political capital to change, and if the reason its size is changed is for egregious misbehavior, then no one really objects four years later (it also takes a lot of time : not only do they have to pass the size increase, they have to approve each justice). It's entirely within the constitution : this is the balance of powers that congress has over the SC. Honestly, increasing it even in a partisan way that preserves the current ratio makes sense : they're super overloaded with cases and could do with a few more members to split the workload. | ||
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KwarK
United States43737 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:30 Biff The Understudy wrote: Frankly, not taking that road might just be basic wisdom. What prevents republican from adding 4 more seats too next time they win? Where does it stop? Nothing. But what stops Republicans from doing that anyway. What stops them from stealing seats? If one side is already openly cheating then the fear of them cheating if you cheat isn’t a problem. | ||
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brian
United States9639 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:01 Danglars wrote: Ossoff’s margin over Perdue looks small enough to trigger the automatic recount. pedantic note, georgia has no such thing as an automatic recount. the loser must (surely will) request one. On January 06 2021 22:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: While the longevity of SCJ seats should not be understated, having a functioning legislative *and* executive branch is crucial to at least getting the ball rolling on a lot of meaningful reforms. I don't think the Supreme Court is going to blindly rule everything as unconstitutional in the same way that McConnell effectively blocked everything. That being said, the Dems still need to keep both houses over the next few years too. The longer, the better. this is my thinking as well. it’s a tough question and only time will tell, but my feelings are it depends on whether this damage to the GOP is lasting or just reactionary. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
With Mitch McConnell leading the senate, tons of republican senators managed to hide from votes and were able to never actually commit to ideas. The Republican Party represented the pinnacle of cowardice and inability to grasp the prosperity government can create when done well. Now that republican senators will ACTUALLY need to vote on things, we’ll be able to have discussions and ideological conflict that actually means something. We will be able to make decision. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:55 Mohdoo wrote: Hard to understate just how happy I am Mitch is gone. What an amazing result. He represented so many foul components of conservatism, including the idea that an inactive government free of any ambition is in some way admirable. We are better than that and our country can continue to move forward. Don't worry, he'll be back with a vengeance in 2022. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:47 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't think it is. Adding justices for partisan reasons is a subversion of the constitution. The reps have shown they don't give two shits about democracy and american institutions, it's reaaaally not a great idea to imitate them. There are many ways to exploit the constitution that have been lines in the sand. As long as those lines exist, better not to cross them. Why is it not à good idea too imitate them when they never face any conséquences for not respecting tacite rules ? They stole à SC seat and you cant even shame them for the hypocrisy. What good are lines in the sand if only one party refuses to cross them ? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:54 KwarK wrote: Nothing. But what stops Republicans from doing that anyway. What stops them from stealing seats? If one side is already openly cheating then the fear of them cheating if you cheat isn’t a problem. Same goes for subversion of the constitution. Republicans stopped caring about having apparent morals a long time ago. Why would they start now? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
On January 07 2021 01:00 LegalLord wrote: Don't worry, he'll be back with a vengeance in 2022. I think senators being forced to actually vote on things will make their races more balanced. Mitch was a huge buff to senate races because republicans senators were never held to what they did or said because they did nothing. They could say whatever they want without ever having to do anything about it. I’m optimistic about 2022 | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-threat-air-traffic-control-general-qassem-soleimani-revenge/ | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On January 07 2021 01:06 Mohdoo wrote: I think senators being forced to actually vote on things will make their races more balanced. Mitch was a huge buff to senate races because republicans senators were never held to what they did or said because they did nothing. They could say whatever they want without ever having to do anything about it. I’m optimistic about 2022 No reason they can't vote down most everything the same way they did before - this whole line of logic seems to hinge upon a contrary-to-fact assessment of how this is going to affect the behavior of a party that has every incentive to vote down all Democratic initiatives (and has to take zero of the blame, being out of power). A quick scan suggests that one seat each in Arizona and Georgia won in this election are back up for reelection in 2022, which is great news for the Republicans. All they need is for Biden to do a mediocre job (which is a near-certainty) and it'll be right back to straight party-line voting in the red states. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 07 2021 00:55 brian wrote: pedantic note, georgia has no such thing as an automatic recount. the loser must (surely will) request one. Pedantic note registered. The law sets the small margin required in order for the loser to request a recount. Candidates generally automatically request it if their loss is that narrow, but it isn't automatic from the perspective of the law and other laws that don't require the request. On January 07 2021 00:39 TheTenthDoc wrote: It would take some really weird patterns for Ossof to end up within recount range. Ballots to trend R despite other ones trending D, a ton of places misreporting their outstanding ballots, etc. Is the current margin of 0.08% with >99% reporting too strange for you to believe the final tally will be <0.5%? | ||
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