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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
The multiple layers of irony there will be something else | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 03 2020 10:47 NewSunshine wrote: And Trump's new campaign logo is basically ripped from the Nazis. You can't say people are claiming he's a secret Nazi if it's out in the fucking wide-open. But I suppose that, the $88 baseball, and Trump openly retweeting white supremacists shouting "White Power" is purely a coincidence. Maybe some obfuscation and appeals to skewed morality are in order. I also love the implication that [secret] Nazi using [secret] code to appeal to [secret] constituency is supposed to be patently ridiculous, but the claim of a shadowy, secret Deep State that literally has no face or name is supposed to be on the up and up? Mmmmmkay. USMC eagle perched/above globe, speaker of the house Speaker actually goes back quite a ways: + Show Spoiler [****length] + This just looks like foolishness, packaged up in a bow, and sold to people that ought to know better. Nazis wish they had history going back this far! (See prior couple of pages for more of my thoughts on this, since this is the second time it’s come up by link of image) | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On July 03 2020 11:56 JimmiC wrote: I did enjoy the winning one from Biden today. https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1278747263439794178 And hes not wrong the US is number 1 for covid cases! Can't argue with results. Biden might be a senile old man but he's got some competent zoomers in a cupboard somewhere. I have to say I'm much more hopeful than I was even a couple of months ago. The pandemic could not have been better calibrated to expose the fruits of alternative-facts politics. Back then I was saying: On April 12 2020 12:28 Belisarius wrote: The next election will turn on whether or not Trump can deflect people's fear and anger onto something external, and so avoid being held to account for his disastrous response. November is still a long way away, but at this point the disaster is so clear that it may be beyond even Trump's powers of bluster and blame shifting. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
But it’s not really a problem, considering anyone who’s dropping those references has probably already given you plenty of indication they’re racist. That’s certainly the case with Trump. A man shouting “white power” wasn’t offensive enough to him to not retweet; meanwhile he considers BLM a hate symbol. I mean after “when the looting starts the shooting starts” why bother arguing over word counts and $88 product listings? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On July 03 2020 12:33 ChristianS wrote: I don’t care much about $88 baseballs, eagle symbology, 14 word tweets, etc. They’re hate symbols but ambiguous enough you can’t indict someone as a white nationalist for them. In many cases white nationalists chose them for that exact reason. But it’s not really a problem, considering anyone who’s dropping those references has probably already given you plenty of indication they’re racist. That’s certainly the case with Trump. A man shouting “white power” wasn’t offensive enough to him to not retweet; meanwhile he considers BLM a hate symbol. I mean after “when the looting starts the shooting starts” why bother arguing over word counts and $88 product listings? It helps that many people in the US have a very distorted frame of reference and the idea that we were (or were approaching) a "post racial society" was popular in many circles after Obama's election. A return to how society (as far as race) was pre-Trayvon and Ferguson is what a lot of people want to go back to. It's not limited to the far right (who wants to go further back imo) either. The rehabilitation of Bush and support of Biden by Democrats is demonstrative of that imo. I don't know whether an Obama Birth Certificate type discussion here would be better or worse than it was then though. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 03 2020 13:00 GreenHorizons wrote: It helps that many people in the US have a very distorted frame of reference and the idea that we were (or were approaching) a "post racial society" was popular in many circles after Obama's election. A return to how society (as far as race) was pre-Trayvon and Ferguson is what a lot of people want to go back to. It's not limited to the far right (who wants to go further back imo) either. The rehabilitation of Bush and support of Biden by Democrats is demonstrative of that imo. I don't know whether an Obama Birth Certificate type discussion here would be better or worse than it was then though. The fact that Obama made rural communities foam at the mouth to the point where they voted for Trump shows we are *****NOT****** in a post-racial world. Imagine being so insecure you end up deciding Trump is a suitable president. god damn. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On July 03 2020 13:00 GreenHorizons wrote: It helps that many people in the US have a very distorted frame of reference and the idea that we were (or were approaching) a "post racial society" was popular in many circles after Obama's election. A return to how society (as far as race) was pre-Trayvon and Ferguson is what a lot of people want to go back to. It's not limited to the far right (who wants to go further back imo) either. The rehabilitation of Bush and support of Biden by Democrats is demonstrative of that imo. I don't know whether an Obama Birth Certificate type discussion here would be better or worse than it was then though. Yeah, it certainly has put the anti-racist consensus in perspective. I think that consensus is still as intact as it was under Obama. My guess is every national elected official (and every single person on this forum) would self-identify as anti-racist, and the vast majority would think they mean it. Admittedly it’d be a little tough to say what that means from the right, since they’re generally of the opinion that “racist” doesn’t mean anything any more, but even they could probably muster some criticism of, say, David Duke. I think a lot of the left used to think that these days it was mostly a matter of combating more vague, culpritless racism like implicit bias. I can’t speak for everyone on the left, but I think a lot of people have realized that nope, it’s still mostly the good old-fashioned kind. Part of the issue was that we’ve had the good old-fashioned kind caricatured into ideological racism, like everybody pre-1960 was a Klansman. Most racism is lazier than that; people don’t care about fighting some grand battle for the white soul of the nation, they just don’t really want “the wrong types” to buy the house next door or date their daughter. I don’t know if people saw the NYT magazine piece on Jeff Sessions where he brought up the “beer summit” episode (and reminded everyone he’s a racist, in case you forgot). It’s fascinating to me to see that incident brought up now. It’s such an iconic moment for modern politics - Republicans stockpiling grievances at mostly-imagined slights; Democrats trying to make the mildest imaginable criticism of systemic oppression, winding up decried as radicals as though they’d gotten ACAB tattoos, and immediately retracting and apologizing. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On July 03 2020 14:09 Danglars wrote: Is it so far in the past that people forget the insane amount of counties that voted for Obama TWICE, and voted for Trump right after? This really seems counter-factual. I'm sure many of them would have voted for Obama for a third term if they could @ChristianS pretty much what I'm seeing as well. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12082 Posts
On July 03 2020 11:56 JimmiC wrote: I did enjoy the winning one from Biden today. https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1278747263439794178 And hes not wrong the US is number 1 for covid cases! I remember that back in march or april, someone in this thread suggested just putting up billboards with trump and his "It's gonna be over by easter" thing on it, and just leaving them there. Turns out that that would indeed have been amazing. | ||
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Yurie
12185 Posts
On July 03 2020 11:10 Starlightsun wrote: Yeah I would love to see him go to jail after he loses election and his power to plead immunity and hinder prosecution. The guy has been white collar criminal for decades. Won't happen. Biden likely has something in his history that he doesn't want going into a court room. Same for most people that manage to make it to the top level of politics. Thus it would be against most future presidents interests to allow a holder to be prosecuted. States doing it would probably be the only way in the US. The biggest problem would likely be that the most moral and wholesome politicians likely can't drum up enough support to get the top office. They would drum up anti-support from the current power structure. By the time that structure changes the old president is dead and it no longer matters. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On July 03 2020 12:01 Danglars wrote: USMC eagle perched/above globe, speaker of the house https://twitter.com/jerrydunleavy/status/1278838496019599360 Speaker actually goes back quite a ways: + Show Spoiler [****length] + This just looks like foolishness, packaged up in a bow, and sold to people that ought to know better. Nazis wish they had history going back this far! (See prior couple of pages for more of my thoughts on this, since this is the second time it’s come up by link of image) Notice that 2 eagles are looking on the right (nazis, trump), others to the left. Conveniently, in the tweet you linked the author reversed the image of the nazi eagle to make him look to the left. Must be a coincidence... | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
Also regarding the facing (right/left) i think Nazis used both, a quick google-fu shows that there authentnic emblems from Nazi era with both facings. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
We are well beyond isolated incidents with Trump and very much into a pattern. I don't think its a coincidence either that as Trumps support drops he reaches more and more out to white supremacists who are still going to be a reliable voting block because there is no one else that represents them. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On July 03 2020 17:11 Elroi wrote: They are basically replicas of the roman legion's eagles I guess? So if not fascism maybe cultural appropriation?? Nazis are famous for stealing symbols from other cultures and in current time even from anti-fascists (symbols, slogans styles) | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4462 Posts
On July 03 2020 12:26 Belisarius wrote: Back then I was saying: November is still a long way away, but at this point the disaster is so clear that it may be beyond even Trump's powers of bluster and blame shifting. Really? I put a few hundred on Trump to win the election recently, plus a little on him to win Minnesota.Here's the bets I had back on the 2016 election lifted from my old photobucket + Show Spoiler + Gonna be a hell of a lot happening between now and November I know that much. I think his odds will shorten from here in. Great jobs numbers for June, he needs to keep the recovery continuing. But democrats don't want a super strong recovery because that helps his re-election chances big time. Interesting times for sure. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
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