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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 03 2020 00:27 GMT
#49521
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26793 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-03 00:30:50
July 03 2020 00:28 GMT
#49522
On July 03 2020 09:16 Falling wrote:
Can we agree that dog whistles, for the most part- aren't?

Every time this stuff comes out it's as though its some sort of secret coded message that only particularly nefarious people would know. But it's always reported on and blasted to the stratosphere from the very people that aren't supposed to hear it. So the Enigma Code's been cracked a long time ago and it's still being used despite every evidence that it's being cracked? Can't be a dog whistle- either it's a regular whistle or the code is imagined by uncharitable interpretations.

As for the positioning of the eagle. Reminds me more of certain groups analyzing the album art for pagan iconography and the all-seeing eye (any time a photo is taking where one eye is hidden, was evidence of Egyptian paganism). Some milquetoast artist standing on a white chair- trace the shape of the chair legs, it forms a pagan symbol! (no joke).

No, this is why they’re dog whistles. They’re plausibly deniable.

88 being a pretty commonly known one. European footballers like the Italian Guanluigi Buffon have been criticised for favouring the number on their jerseys. The connotations aren’t super obscure.

If it’s part of a ton of other seemingly plausibly deniably dogwhistles at the same time, from the same person/administration what is one to think?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 03 2020 00:56 GMT
#49523
On July 03 2020 08:57 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2020 08:45 Nevuk wrote:
If we are going to talk dog whistles to Nazis, let's use the latest one that is really hard not to see and HAD to have been approved by Trump, rather than his merch store.

(Just a screenshot of trump's tweet, as I don't want to link directly to it)


Also has HH in the middle and is still up.


This is a serious question: how are you distinguishing this from coincidence? Have you looked at data on what percentage of all tweets are 14 words? How many tweets has Trump ever written and what % of those are 14 words? You can’t stop deranged people from looking for meaning in chance, but it’s madness to try and combat them on their turf. You don’t need to do this shit to make a case that Trump is bad for America, and I really doubt it convinces anyone who is not already in the choir.

You’ve defended the eagle symbol, 88$ baseballs, and 14 word tweets. I’m afraid the coincidences keep coming, and soon you’ll be accused of knowingly defending white supremacy.

Just a little joke in the “world revolves around Trump” era of ... America I suppose. Also, somebody count if I’m secretly using 88 syllables or something.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-03 01:05:57
July 03 2020 00:59 GMT
#49524
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26793 Posts
July 03 2020 01:03 GMT
#49525
On July 03 2020 09:56 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2020 08:57 IgnE wrote:
On July 03 2020 08:45 Nevuk wrote:
If we are going to talk dog whistles to Nazis, let's use the latest one that is really hard not to see and HAD to have been approved by Trump, rather than his merch store.

(Just a screenshot of trump's tweet, as I don't want to link directly to it)
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1278151799648784384

Also has HH in the middle and is still up.


This is a serious question: how are you distinguishing this from coincidence? Have you looked at data on what percentage of all tweets are 14 words? How many tweets has Trump ever written and what % of those are 14 words? You can’t stop deranged people from looking for meaning in chance, but it’s madness to try and combat them on their turf. You don’t need to do this shit to make a case that Trump is bad for America, and I really doubt it convinces anyone who is not already in the choir.

You’ve defended the eagle symbol, 88$ baseballs, and 14 word tweets. I’m afraid the coincidences keep coming, and soon you’ll be accused of knowingly defending white supremacy.

Just a little joke in the “world revolves around Trump” era of ... America I suppose. Also, somebody count if I’m secretly using 88 syllables or something.

Hey remember when Trump retweeted someone shouting ‘white power’?

Counting words or syllables used is silly business though, agreed there.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 03 2020 01:11 GMT
#49526
On July 03 2020 10:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2020 09:56 Danglars wrote:
On July 03 2020 08:57 IgnE wrote:
On July 03 2020 08:45 Nevuk wrote:
If we are going to talk dog whistles to Nazis, let's use the latest one that is really hard not to see and HAD to have been approved by Trump, rather than his merch store.

(Just a screenshot of trump's tweet, as I don't want to link directly to it)
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1278151799648784384

Also has HH in the middle and is still up.


This is a serious question: how are you distinguishing this from coincidence? Have you looked at data on what percentage of all tweets are 14 words? How many tweets has Trump ever written and what % of those are 14 words? You can’t stop deranged people from looking for meaning in chance, but it’s madness to try and combat them on their turf. You don’t need to do this shit to make a case that Trump is bad for America, and I really doubt it convinces anyone who is not already in the choir.

You’ve defended the eagle symbol, 88$ baseballs, and 14 word tweets. I’m afraid the coincidences keep coming, and soon you’ll be accused of knowingly defending white supremacy.

Just a little joke in the “world revolves around Trump” era of ... America I suppose. Also, somebody count if I’m secretly using 88 syllables or something.

Hey remember when Trump retweeted someone shouting ‘white power’?

Counting words or syllables used is silly business though, agreed there.

Oh the mutual taunting? Seems like ages ago!

We need the wiki to help us all avoid being called Nazis. Stars of David, 88, eagles, 14 words. (Or fuck the system, we’re not Nazis do go be paranoid conspiracy theorists on some shittier forums. Is revleft still around?)
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26793 Posts
July 03 2020 01:19 GMT
#49527
On July 03 2020 10:11 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2020 10:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
On July 03 2020 09:56 Danglars wrote:
On July 03 2020 08:57 IgnE wrote:
On July 03 2020 08:45 Nevuk wrote:
If we are going to talk dog whistles to Nazis, let's use the latest one that is really hard not to see and HAD to have been approved by Trump, rather than his merch store.

(Just a screenshot of trump's tweet, as I don't want to link directly to it)
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1278151799648784384

Also has HH in the middle and is still up.


This is a serious question: how are you distinguishing this from coincidence? Have you looked at data on what percentage of all tweets are 14 words? How many tweets has Trump ever written and what % of those are 14 words? You can’t stop deranged people from looking for meaning in chance, but it’s madness to try and combat them on their turf. You don’t need to do this shit to make a case that Trump is bad for America, and I really doubt it convinces anyone who is not already in the choir.

You’ve defended the eagle symbol, 88$ baseballs, and 14 word tweets. I’m afraid the coincidences keep coming, and soon you’ll be accused of knowingly defending white supremacy.

Just a little joke in the “world revolves around Trump” era of ... America I suppose. Also, somebody count if I’m secretly using 88 syllables or something.

Hey remember when Trump retweeted someone shouting ‘white power’?

Counting words or syllables used is silly business though, agreed there.

Oh the mutual taunting? Seems like ages ago!

We need the wiki to help us all avoid being called Nazis. Stars of David, 88, eagles, 14 words. (Or fuck the system, we’re not Nazis do go be paranoid conspiracy theorists on some shittier forums. Is revleft still around?)

One could try not appealing to Nazis, would help a lot.

As I’ve said counting syllables in a Tweet is silly, it’s not a dog whistle if it’s that subtle

If your baseball is 88 dollars and I assume this has been pointed out, make it 87 or 89. Not that hard to do.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 03 2020 01:20 GMT
#49528
Danglars, since you're around, I'm curious on your opinion on the Axios report that Trump is voicing regret about following Kushner's advice on prison reform. (He seems to think Kushner is too moderate).

Small quote -
"No more of Jared's woke s***." Another said Trump has indicated that following Kushner's advice has harmed him politically.

(The report is at

https://www.axios.com/trump-kushner-second-thoughts-408d5a33-725d-442a-88e4-d6ab6742c139.html

)
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 03 2020 01:33 GMT
#49529
On July 03 2020 09:16 Falling wrote:
Can we agree that dog whistles, for the most part- aren't?
Every time this stuff comes out it's as though its some sort of secret coded message that only particularly nefarious people would know. But it's always reported on and blasted to the stratosphere from the very people that aren't supposed to hear it. So the Enigma Code's been cracked a long time ago and it's still being used despite every evidence that it's being cracked? Can't be a dog whistle- either it's a regular whistle or the code is imagined by uncharitable interpretations.

As for the positioning of the eagle. Reminds me more of certain groups analyzing the album art for pagan iconography and the all-seeing eye (any time a photo is taking where one eye is hidden, was evidence of Egyptian paganism). Some milquetoast artist standing on a white chair- trace the shape of the chair legs, it forms a pagan symbol! (no joke).

I think the religious aspect you point out is well made. It is reminiscent of old televangelist-y pastors showing the audience vague symbology of album covers or songs played backwards.

Then as now, it was played straight. Nobody stopped to wonder if the overt glorification of sin was plenty already, to find subversive pagan animals or biblical numerology. The speakers were earnest, and the audience listened earnestly.

It has all the appeal of a good Dan Brown novel. Not just an evil antagonist, but one with secret connections to racial hierarchy ideology. Read more, or pay me 30$ a month for my newsletter, where we explore KKK symbols in the negative space of Trump hotel signs.

I hope the country prospers and heals so in the next 5 years, we look back and laugh at the hysteria. In five years, I’ll hate life if it’s still “(R) is a obviously a secret Nazi sending secret codes to his nefarious constituency! Next up: Why is society so politically polarized? Answers to this tough question up next!”
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
July 03 2020 01:38 GMT
#49530
On July 03 2020 09:16 Falling wrote:
Can we agree that dog whistles, for the most part- aren't?
Every time this stuff comes out it's as though its some sort of secret coded message that only particularly nefarious people would know. But it's always reported on and blasted to the stratosphere from the very people that aren't supposed to hear it. So the Enigma Code's been cracked a long time ago and it's still being used despite every evidence that it's being cracked? Can't be a dog whistle- either it's a regular whistle or the code is imagined by uncharitable interpretations.

As for the positioning of the eagle. Reminds me more of certain groups analyzing the album art for pagan iconography and the all-seeing eye (any time a photo is taking where one eye is hidden, was evidence of Egyptian paganism). Some milquetoast artist standing on a white chair- trace the shape of the chair legs, it forms a pagan symbol! (no joke).

Nope. While scrolling through reddit today I saw somebody made a post about learning about it after having 1488 as part of his username for 15+ years without knowing the significance of it and how that must have shaped the reaction some people took to him.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26793 Posts
July 03 2020 01:42 GMT
#49531
On July 03 2020 10:33 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2020 09:16 Falling wrote:
Can we agree that dog whistles, for the most part- aren't?
Every time this stuff comes out it's as though its some sort of secret coded message that only particularly nefarious people would know. But it's always reported on and blasted to the stratosphere from the very people that aren't supposed to hear it. So the Enigma Code's been cracked a long time ago and it's still being used despite every evidence that it's being cracked? Can't be a dog whistle- either it's a regular whistle or the code is imagined by uncharitable interpretations.

As for the positioning of the eagle. Reminds me more of certain groups analyzing the album art for pagan iconography and the all-seeing eye (any time a photo is taking where one eye is hidden, was evidence of Egyptian paganism). Some milquetoast artist standing on a white chair- trace the shape of the chair legs, it forms a pagan symbol! (no joke).

I think the religious aspect you point out is well made. It is reminiscent of old televangelist-y pastors showing the audience vague symbology of album covers or songs played backwards.

Then as now, it was played straight. Nobody stopped to wonder if the overt glorification of sin was plenty already, to find subversive pagan animals or biblical numerology. The speakers were earnest, and the audience listened earnestly.

It has all the appeal of a good Dan Brown novel. Not just an evil antagonist, but one with secret connections to racial hierarchy ideology. Read more, or pay me 30$ a month for my newsletter, where we explore KKK symbols in the negative space of Trump hotel signs.

I hope the country prospers and heals so in the next 5 years, we look back and laugh at the hysteria. In five years, I’ll hate life if it’s still “(R) is a obviously a secret Nazi sending secret codes to his nefarious constituency! Next up: Why is society so politically polarized? Answers to this tough question up next!”

Utter obfuscating bollocks that doesn’t address anything.

You hope the country ‘prospers and heals’ based on not criticising vast swathes of the country not being criticised for dog whistling. Which is basically your standard here

Again I can’t stress this enough, Trump’s store can throw out an 88 dollar baseball, it’s a price point. There’s no fucking way they’ve not been complaints, people saying what 88 stands for and it as yet hasn’t been shifted to 87 or 89 dollars.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-03 01:52:53
July 03 2020 01:47 GMT
#49532
And Trump's new campaign logo is basically ripped from the Nazis. You can't say people are claiming he's a secret Nazi if it's out in the fucking wide-open.



But I suppose that, the $88 baseball, and Trump openly retweeting white supremacists shouting "White Power" is purely a coincidence. Maybe some obfuscation and appeals to skewed morality are in order. I also love the implication that [secret] Nazi using [secret] code to appeal to [secret] constituency is supposed to be patently ridiculous, but the claim of a shadowy, secret Deep State that literally has no face or name is supposed to be on the up and up? Mmmmmkay.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26793 Posts
July 03 2020 01:49 GMT
#49533
Let’s be real America will be in a better spot if some crazy shoots the guy

User was temp banned for this post.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28797 Posts
July 03 2020 01:54 GMT
#49534
I'm a very huge anti-fan but calling for assassinations is a step too far.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26793 Posts
July 03 2020 01:57 GMT
#49535
I’m not calling for assassination just don’t think it’d be a bad thing
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9641 Posts
July 03 2020 02:01 GMT
#49536
i can’t tell if those posts are a tongue in cheek joke or not.

and now in wondering it’s like i’ve broken the fourth wall of dog whistles.
plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-03 02:05:59
July 03 2020 02:02 GMT
#49537
Men are fallible, icons are forever. At this stage, a Trump death in office would spawn a pseudo-religious cult. An actual one, not the current following described using hyperbole.

Trump needs to be removed from office and have his criminal past and current toroughly examined and acted upon by the judiciary. A proper reveal of the fallibility of the man, rather than the glorified ideal of the cult. Only then can the healing from the last four years start.

Edit: covfefe, clarification
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-03 02:09:12
July 03 2020 02:03 GMT
#49538
On July 03 2020 11:02 plated.rawr wrote:
Men are fallible, icons are forever. At this stage, a Trump death in office would spawn a pseudo-religious cult. An actual one, not the current following described using hyperbole.

Trump needs to be removed from office and have his criminal past and current toroughly examined and acted upon by the judiciary. A proper reveal of the fallibility of the man, rather than the glorified ideal of the cult. Only then can the healing from the last four years start.

Edit: covfefe, clarification



We're still arguing over whether we should celebrate Columbus, I think you might want to lower your expectations a little.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 03 2020 02:06 GMT
#49539
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Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
July 03 2020 02:10 GMT
#49540
On July 03 2020 11:02 plated.rawr wrote:
Men are fallible, icons are forever. At this stage, a Trump death in office would spawn a pseudo-religious cult. An actual one, not the current following described using hyperbole.

Trump needs to be removed from office and have his criminal past and current toroughly examined and acted upon by the judiciary. A proper reveal of the fallibility of the man, rather than the glorified ideal of the cult. Only then can the healing from the last four years start.

Edit: covfefe, clarification


Yeah I would love to see him go to jail after he loses election and his power to plead immunity and hinder prosecution. The guy has been white collar criminal for decades.
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