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PhoenixVoid
Canada32755 Posts
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Billyboy
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17916 Posts
The regional Bloc got something like 20% more votes than the national labour party. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
quite the victory, considering where things stood only a couple months ago. I liked "Carney on the dance floor" in the link. an actual human moment there. from a banker turned politician no less ^_^ | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12562 Posts
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
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Billyboy
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The big news is Pierre losing his seat, I would have to think this means a new Conservative leader. The question is whether that leader will lean more like Harper with a strong rebuke to Trump or an even more populist than Pierre leader pulling the party even more right. | ||
KwarK
United States44368 Posts
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Flaccid
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Billyboy
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On April 30 2025 02:44 KwarK wrote: NDP got crushed by tactical voting in a time of national emergency. I don’t think there’s a whole lot of broader conclusions we can draw from this specific election regarding the wider popularity of the NDP. If we see the same national threat by the populist right next election they might want to consider a formal alliance but otherwise I’d treat this result as an exception. I agree with this, but there were also some other issues with the NDP that I think they can and will need to rectify. A big part of there draw was being "outsiders" not one of the two parties, a different choice. By supporting the Liberals minority government to many they just became basically the liberals. Causing some to just vote for the liberals and some to swap to conservatives, if they wanted a change. Being a minority gave the NDP more power federally then they ever had, but they didn't promote (IMO) enough what they used their influence to accomplish. It looks like they will get that opportunity again, and have hopefully learned how to better sell their work. I really don't want to become a two party country, as we have enough examples of why that is even worse than what we have. | ||
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KwarK
United States44368 Posts
Third parties survive only as geographic anomalies or when their voters vote for reasons other than to influence the governance of the country (such as Green Party voters in the US). It’s not ideal but nobody ever said constituency simple plurality was a good system. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17916 Posts
On April 30 2025 02:42 Billyboy wrote: JJR, the NDP have as much power as the bloc, the Liberals can work with either. The big news is Pierre losing his seat, I would have to think this means a new Conservative leader. The question is whether that leader will lean more like Harper with a strong rebuke to Trump or an even more populist than Pierre leader pulling the party even more right. NDP does not have official party status and no leader. The NDP has no where near the amount of power the Bloc have. The Bloc's official platform requires the separation of Quebec from Canada. The Bloc's singular laser sharp focus gives it far more power than the NDP's "please every special interest group" platform. Ed Broadbent's NDP has gone from a legit source of power fir the lower middle class and working poor Canadians to nothing. Lucien Bouchard's vision of Quebec is still alive. Vive Le Quebec Libre. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17916 Posts
On April 30 2025 04:57 KwarK wrote: Canada uses constituency simple plurality, same as the US. It’s a two party system already, any third party seats are anomalies. Vive Le Quebec Libre! You do not know what you are talking about. I suspect you are super-imposing your american vision of your own world onto a situation you do not understand. However, I can not crawl inside your mind so I do not know for certain. NDP won a majority in many provinces on many occasions. The NDP has been the official opposition in Parliament and also held the balance of power on more than 1 occasion. The Bloc Quebecois and Parti Quebecois have had massive influences on the forming of the Constitution, The Charlottetown Accord, The Meech Lake Accord, etc etc etc. There is no analog in the USA to Lucien Bouchard or Ed Broadbent or Bob Rae. For decades the Liberals and Conservatives have lost massive amounts of power to The Reform Party of Canada, The NDP, The Social Credit Party. And I can go on and on and on about the major accomplishments of non-Liberal and Non-Conservative parties and what they've accomplished in Canada on every level from Constitutional to Federal to Provincial. The USA is a 2-party dictatorship... Canada is not. Over the last 60 years several of Canada's smartest and most street savvy politicians did their best work outside of the 2 major parties. I'm talking guys Bob Rae, Lucien Bouchard, and Ed Broadbent. | ||
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KwarK
United States44368 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17916 Posts
On April 30 2025 05:07 KwarK wrote: Lol thanks for the thorough response. | ||
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KwarK
United States44368 Posts
You’re welcome. I think it covered all of your main points and was the response your post merited. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17916 Posts
On April 30 2025 05:11 KwarK wrote: You’re welcome. I think it covered all of your main points and was the response your post merited. it is a non-content post. | ||
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KwarK
United States44368 Posts
Yes. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17916 Posts
I love Canadian history... Glad to give you a lesson or two. On April 30 2025 04:57 KwarK wrote:Game theory dictates the need for tactical voting to prevent a split vote ceding power to the enemy. Tactical voting leads to alliances and then coalitions which inevitably coalesce into two parties. that did not happen in 1988 though. the country defining FTA with the USA happened with most Canadians voting against it. Mulroney successfully split the vote against the FTA. "once a country yields its economic levers ... once a country yields its natural resources.. once a country opens itself up to a subsidy war with the United States.." Classic stuff man. And to think what debates have been reduced to in the USA in 2025. Given how the % of exports to the USA has done nothing but increase to 80% since this 1988 debate ... perhaps Mr. Turner was right. | ||
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Billyboy
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On April 30 2025 04:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote: NDP does not have official party status and no leader. The NDP has no where near the amount of power the Bloc have. The Bloc's official platform requires the separation of Quebec from Canada. The Bloc's singular laser sharp focus gives it far more power than the NDP's "please every special interest group" platform. Ed Broadbent's NDP has gone from a legit source of power fir the lower middle class and working poor Canadians to nothing. Lucien Bouchard's vision of Quebec is still alive. Vive Le Quebec Libre. Both have the ability to govern with the Liberals. Official party status is really not a huge deal, the Liberals can just make a motion to allow them to ask questions, which has happened many times before and would almost certainly happen if they worked together. Conservatives lost official party status in 1993, it sounds way worse than it is. | ||
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