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On March 25 2025 22:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Trying to excuse Elon Musk's Nazi salutes as an accidental, innocent, he-didn't-know-any-better consequence of having autism (or drawing an inappropriate parallel with involuntary compulsions from Tourette's) is medically inaccurate and callous and exactly the kind of crap I'd expect to hear from conservatives who already don't care to learn about how neurological disorders actually work in real life. This is just plain offensive to anyone who has autism, has Tourette's, or knows people with those conditions.
That is the point. To many people being mean is funny and the people pointing out that it isn't funny and is just mean are jerks because now they feel bad and their fun is ruined. They lack the empathy to realize that what they are doing is way worse and grow. They also lack the wit to see the difference between what like a George Carlin does and just being an asshole is.
Rest of the world was trying to end bully culture, and have made many mistakes along the way. MAGA is trying to bring it back.
On March 25 2025 22:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Trying to excuse Elon Musk's Nazi salutes as an accidental, innocent, he-didn't-know-any-better consequence of having autism (or drawing an inappropriate parallel with involuntary compulsions from Tourette's) is medically inaccurate and callous and exactly the kind of crap I'd expect to hear from conservatives who already don't care to learn about how neurological disorders actually work in real life. This is just plain offensive to anyone who has autism, has Tourette's, or knows people with those conditions.
Bingo, exactly. Quelle fucking surprise though.
Makes Musk an even bigger ballless fuck. He can’t even own his shitposting and weasels out when he gets too much flak, or some fucking toady makes excuses for him.
On March 25 2025 02:11 Falling wrote: Who the hell 'flaps their arms around' anyways? Are we birds?
But considering that's a thing you think humans do on the regular, I encourage you to frequently flap your arms around exactly like Elon in public. (Exactly like Elon, mind you, and not Charlie the coward Kirk's fake imitation.) I'm sure everyone else will think it is just as benign. You might even get a return flap of the arms from an arm flap enjoyer of a particular sort.
I’ve seen this argument a lot. The “well then you do it in public” gotcha in response to people that think Elon’s nazi salute was just an overstimulated autist flailing his arms. The problem is if you think about it for 5 seconds what you’re saying is “why don’t you intentionally do an unintentional Sieg Heil.” It makes no sense. You can’t intentionally do something unintentional. It’s like saying “why don’t you scream cocksucker at people” as a gotcha for someone saying a person with Tourette’s is not calling people cocksuckers.
For the record I think Elon was intentionally throwing Sieg Heils there. I just think if someone truly believes it’s an involuntary autism spasm then “you do it” is not the mic drop people seem to think it is.
Saying 'it was a nazi salute but he didn't mean it as support of nazism' is different from 'it wasn't a nazi salute'. The 'you do it in public, then' is an attack on the 'it wasn't a nazi salute', not the 'it was a nazi salute but he didn't mean it as support of nazism'. The idea that it was 'involuntary flailing of arms' is honestly something I haven't seen before.
“It was an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm” is what the ADL referred to it as. Like I said you can disagree with that assessment, as I do. The very simple point I’ve been making is that someone’s willingness to replicate an awkward gesture, during a moment they have nothing to be enthusiastic about, has no bearing on whether it was actually an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm or a pledge of allegiance to Hitler.
On March 25 2025 02:11 Falling wrote: Who the hell 'flaps their arms around' anyways? Are we birds?
But considering that's a thing you think humans do on the regular, I encourage you to frequently flap your arms around exactly like Elon in public. (Exactly like Elon, mind you, and not Charlie the coward Kirk's fake imitation.) I'm sure everyone else will think it is just as benign. You might even get a return flap of the arms from an arm flap enjoyer of a particular sort.
I’ve seen this argument a lot. The “well then you do it in public” gotcha in response to people that think Elon’s nazi salute was just an overstimulated autist flailing his arms. The problem is if you think about it for 5 seconds what you’re saying is “why don’t you intentionally do an unintentional Sieg Heil.” It makes no sense. You can’t intentionally do something unintentional. It’s like saying “why don’t you scream cocksucker at people” as a gotcha for someone saying a person with Tourette’s is not calling people cocksuckers.
For the record I think Elon was intentionally throwing Sieg Heils there. I just think if someone truly believes it’s an involuntary autism spasm then “you do it” is not the mic drop people seem to think it is.
Saying 'it was a nazi salute but he didn't mean it as support of nazism' is different from 'it wasn't a nazi salute'. The 'you do it in public, then' is an attack on the 'it wasn't a nazi salute', not the 'it was a nazi salute but he didn't mean it as support of nazism'. The idea that it was 'involuntary flailing of arms' is honestly something I haven't seen before.
“It was an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm” is what the ADL referred to it as. Like I said you can disagree with that assessment, as I do. The very simple point I’ve been making is that someone’s willingness to replicate an awkward gesture, during a moment they have nothing to be enthusiastic about, has no bearing on anyone’s interpretation of the gesture.
The way I see it, people tend to tell the people who defend Elon Musk's nazi salute to do it themselves is because they perceive the defenses as dishonest. He didn't mean it, well we can look at the tape, he clearly meant it. It was autism, well no, it wasn't. He was just flailing his arms around, no, he wasn't. We're also talking about people like Jimmy or oBlade who are very clearly ready to say they believe anything, we know for example that oBlade's opinion of annexing Greenland is entirely based on who is talking, if it was Biden it would be evidence that he's insane and should be removed, if it's Trump then it's a good idea.
Provided that the person you're talking to doesn't believe what they're saying, then asking them to do the thing they claim is fine is a very good way of demonstrating it. Something similar happened when some ghoul lobbyist was trying to defend a pesticide in a documentary and said "You could drink a glass of it it wouldn't harm you", and the person from the documentary went "Oh yeah well we have a glass here would you drink it?" and he refused, explaining that he "isn't stupid".
And to be clear, Jimmy has not taken the autism defence. I opened that door to see if that's a defence he would take up (that and another popular one being used by those running interference.) However, he has stuck with a uniquely Jimmy defence:
That it is, it was not a double tap Seig Heil. It was a random flapping of the arms that Peter Falk has also done and the only reason it was caught is there are a lot of cameras on him all the time.
The downstream implication to that argument is that the random arm flap is something that is common enough amongst the human beings that if we stuck a camera on them like the Truman Show, we are liable to see the very same (and of course equally innocuous) random arm flaps from the humans in the wild.
Just throwing it out there but it is possible that the SS accidentally flapped their arms too close to a shower complex in Poland and accidentally gave the appearance of running a death camp? I don't know and I don't think that anyone can really know. We shouldn't be too quick to judge though.
On March 26 2025 03:41 Falling wrote: And to be clear, Jimmy has not taken the autism defence. I opened that door to see if that's a defence he would take up (that and another popular one being used by those running interference.) However, he has stuck with a uniquely Jimmy defence:
That it is, it was not a double tap Seig Heil. It was a random flapping of the arms that Peter Falk has also done and the only reason it was caught is there are a lot of cameras on him all the time.
The downstream implication to that argument is that the random arm flap is something that is common enough amongst the human beings that if we stuck a camera on them like the Truman Show, we are liable to see the very same (and of course equally innocuous) random arm flaps from the humans in the wild.
The point is that “you do it then” to someone that believes it to be random arm flapping makes no sense. The idea of doing it on command makes it decidedly not random.
On March 26 2025 03:41 Falling wrote: And to be clear, Jimmy has not taken the autism defence. I opened that door to see if that's a defence he would take up (that and another popular one being used by those running interference.) However, he has stuck with a uniquely Jimmy defence:
That it is, it was not a double tap Seig Heil. It was a random flapping of the arms that Peter Falk has also done and the only reason it was caught is there are a lot of cameras on him all the time.
The downstream implication to that argument is that the random arm flap is something that is common enough amongst the human beings that if we stuck a camera on them like the Truman Show, we are liable to see the very same (and of course equally innocuous) random arm flaps from the humans in the wild.
The point is that “you do it then” to someone that believes it to be random arm flapping makes no sense. The idea of doing it on command makes it decidedly not random.
"You do it then" is the response to people insisting its inoffensive or some generic Italian style early 20th century salute.
"What if his arms just do that" isn't a common defence because it's a super fucking weird thing to say. His arms never used to do that and then they did it twice at a rally.
You're misapplying the response of one thing to another.
On March 25 2025 02:11 Falling wrote: Who the hell 'flaps their arms around' anyways? Are we birds?
But considering that's a thing you think humans do on the regular, I encourage you to frequently flap your arms around exactly like Elon in public. (Exactly like Elon, mind you, and not Charlie the coward Kirk's fake imitation.) I'm sure everyone else will think it is just as benign. You might even get a return flap of the arms from an arm flap enjoyer of a particular sort.
I’ve seen this argument a lot. The “well then you do it in public” gotcha in response to people that think Elon’s nazi salute was just an overstimulated autist flailing his arms. The problem is if you think about it for 5 seconds what you’re saying is “why don’t you intentionally do an unintentional Sieg Heil.” It makes no sense. You can’t intentionally do something unintentional. It’s like saying “why don’t you scream cocksucker at people” as a gotcha for someone saying a person with Tourette’s is not calling people cocksuckers.
For the record I think Elon was intentionally throwing Sieg Heils there. I just think if someone truly believes it’s an involuntary autism spasm then “you do it” is not the mic drop people seem to think it is.
I'd hope invoking autism as the source would imply he's socially awkward and doesn't understand what it means, not that he's got tourettes in his arms. The argument goes not that it was involuntary, but that it didn't mean the obvious and thereby wasn't a true nazi salute. "Well, you do it then" seems a reasonable counter to that line of thinking.
Your point stands in that the person doing it wouldn't have the 'autism' excuse and couldn't do it with the same alleged lack of understanding, but it does rule out the "its not a nazi salute" pretty cleanly.
The intention of the thing is exactly what makes it the thing. If the awkward flailing of the arms was not intended as a nazi salute and just incidentally looked like one, then it’s not a nazi salute.
You can point at something with your middle finger that doesn’t mean you’re flipping the bird, so to speak. “Go ahead and point your middle finger at your boss then” isn’t the gotcha that someone pointing with their middle finger was actually saying “fuck you.”
Lots of Asian cultures use the swastika as a symbol, that doesn’t mean they are using nazi symbolism. “You draw one then” isn’t some gotcha to prove that the symbol on a Buddhist temple is in fact a Nazi swastika.
Of course I need to repeat that I do think Elon was throwing Sieg Heils
I hear you. I hope Elon doesn't get a tattoo of a symbol on a Buddhist temple anytime soon. Though it's arguable that it's asian symbology and not fascist symbology, context certainly leans more one way than the other.
On March 26 2025 03:41 Falling wrote: And to be clear, Jimmy has not taken the autism defence. I opened that door to see if that's a defence he would take up (that and another popular one being used by those running interference.) However, he has stuck with a uniquely Jimmy defence:
That it is, it was not a double tap Seig Heil. It was a random flapping of the arms that Peter Falk has also done and the only reason it was caught is there are a lot of cameras on him all the time.
The downstream implication to that argument is that the random arm flap is something that is common enough amongst the human beings that if we stuck a camera on them like the Truman Show, we are liable to see the very same (and of course equally innocuous) random arm flaps from the humans in the wild.
The point is that “you do it then” to someone that believes it to be random arm flapping makes no sense. The idea of doing it on command makes it decidedly not random.
For your argument to make sense there would have to at least be a chance that Musk was randomly flapping his arms in the first place. And you don't randomly do the exact same motion twice in a row, nor in a super planned and scripted speech at the exact moment it fits.
Blackjack isn’t arguing that it wasn’t a Nazi salute, he’s clear that it was. He’s arguing for the sake of arguing. His point is that it’s possible for someone, but not him, to be really bad at identifying salutes or something and for that person, who isn’t him, to be confused. You’ve got to remember that blackjack’s posts are essentially meaningless.
Toyota engineering borders on heroic. The Tercel, Echo and Corolla are so great. I've known a few Toyota workers over the years. These guys work really damn hard. Unlike me, they have real jobs.
It is hilarious how Trump and his advisors act like America lost their auto industry due to "unethical globalism". In the 70s and 80s when Ford/GM/Chrysler had 95%+ of the average car market in NA their cars were garbage. Toyota and Honda did a great job building reliable inexpensive cars and took marketshare away from GM/Ford/Chrysler. Toyota and Honda MADE BETTER CARS
Trump screams: "Europeans do not buy our cars". Well Don... Ford and GM are garbage.
Tomorrow I think the US/Trump will announce a decision to abide by the USMCA and slap 'reciprocal' tariffs on a bunch of marginal stuff that adds up to nothing for Canada. Provinces will start putting American liquor back on the store shelves etc etc. I think Carney will back off as much as he can.
Trump can not fight battles on 50 different front lines so there is no point in creating a new front line against Canada that has not existed since 1815.
Carney has been impressive so far. If the trade war starts to subside this is the kind of speech Carney needs to give...
On March 26 2025 04:19 KwarK wrote: Just throwing it out there but it is possible that the SS accidentally flapped their arms too close to a shower complex in Poland and accidentally gave the appearance of running a death camp? I don't know and I don't think that anyone can really know. We shouldn't be too quick to judge though.
Maybe it‘s the death spasms of the bird called twitter he ate after digesting it and turning it into the second largest toilet on the internet after another website.
It‘s a nasty toilet with organized crime tactics too. It intimidates companies into advertising on it or Trump might catch a cold and sanction them for appearing like they‘re boycotting his consigliere.
Maybe he also just wanted to prove he‘s untouchable.
A bit more on topic, it was nice to see Germany opposing the US on its threats to Canada.
EPT
