On May 12 2017 14:45 zatic wrote:
Nobody is engaging with you on this board because you are not engaging in any discussion. Simberto explained to you how asylum works. Instead of addressing his post you dump a long list of things you don't like about Germany.
It's your usual posting pattern. People address what you write, in response you dump a giant gish gallop of unrelated incoherence into the thread. As long as you continue to do so no one will be willing to engage with you in conversation here.
No, that's not how it goes. People are asking for evidence, I'm posting shitload of them, but then we again proceed to the stage we crossed already, to the erdogan bashing.
But I understand it though, people in this thread gets their information from the mainstream media, when we talk about detailed cases and person names, people don't bother reading, because they don't know anything besides what global media feeds them, so their only chance in the discussion to embrace repeated criticism about Turkey while ignoring or labeling stable evidences with erdoganist propaganda.
The only weakness that you could highlight on my part was questioning where do I get my info on the fleeing generals are attempted to the coup, I already posted voice record of some high rank military officials with names (now in Germany) that they're openly ordering f-16s to shoot people, or crush them with the tanks, therefore they can't seek political asylum, but you still said that should be investigated. We can check if those records are fabricated or not, and we should, but I'm not thinking Turkey would play such dangerous wildcard on international level that would end up losing all its credibility.
On May 12 2017 15:21 Acrofales wrote:
Allies spying on one another is kind of a thing this century, but gathering intel in a country that is systematically removing independent press seems like a rather sane thing to do. So this is a good thing.
Sorry but bullshit whitewash. Remember, "Friends don't 'spy on each other'". But good excuse, then we should be spying Germany 24/7 because it arms our enemies. A better reason compared to your one.
On May 12 2017 15:21 Acrofales wrote:
- A Germany passes genocide recognition on her congress out of nowhere just to slap Turkey.
Great. Maybe acknowledge that nasty skeleton that's in your closet and move on, instead of trying to rewrite history. Another point for Germany.
It wasn't on the genocide day, it wasn't an actual-alive debate on your society. All of sudden it passed to slam Turkey, was a politic move. A sane mind should question your sincerity on that, your timing etc.
On May 12 2017 15:21 Acrofales wrote:
This is a bad idea. But it's not like the Syrian war has any good solutions. They are, imho a hell of a lot better than either Assad or ISIS, so that makes the YPG a rather unreliable ally, but for now, an ally.
It's like saying "sorry Turkish friends, some of your tanks will explode, and some PKK militants will use NATO powders to empower their suicide belts, but hey, they're somehow better than ISIS because they're only killing locals who disagree with them, not us." MMMMKAY.
But I'll leave these if you have 5 minutes to read some stuff on the issue:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-turkey-erdogan-kurds-isis-syria-raqqa/525963/?utm_content=bufferfb7b6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=bufferFrom a former marine:
http://bombsdollars.com/index/index.php/2017/05/09/warped-marxist-feminist-ideology-kurdish-ypg/It's been reported by many US officials or organizations like HRW, the YPG is a PKK offshoot and these are all documented that:
- They purge non Kurds from the areas that they land grab. They crush their homes dozers etc.
- They jail any kurdish opposition members, torture is a thing.
- Their police force open fire on peaceful protest against their purge (we have video recordings on that)
- They use child soldiers, which is an ISIS thing.
https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/06/19/under-kurdish-rule/abuses-pyd-run-enclaves-syriaOverall a good thread here:
Whataboutism isn't good, but what would you guys do if Turkish armored forces tomorrow shows up in AL QAEDA offshoot funeral while their flags all around. I think you miscalculate how Turks will feel after seeing these. But the Turks are highly nationalistic, these image will always be remembered no matter Erdogan rules them or not.
On May 12 2017 15:21 Acrofales wrote:
They also don't crackdown on people waving swastikas at neo-nazi rallies. It's almost as if free speech is important.
So you're claiming Germany has the US model free speech, that's BREAKING NEWS for me.
On May 12 2017 15:21 Acrofales wrote:
Incoherent word salad. But you seem to be complaining that most of the refugees from the Syrian conflict are fleeing across land borders into neighbouring countries, who don't have the means to deal with tgat. It's a tragedy. I agree. But what does Germany have to do with that? The best would be to work towards an end to the Syrian war asap, so all those people can go back home and try to rebuild their country.
Was Merkel's plan.
On May 12 2017 15:21 Acrofales wrote:
Huh? Kurds didn't migrate to Kurdistan. They've been there for centuries. Context matters when looking at cultural rights. Maybe if Germany has still done a terrible job of integrating immigrant Turks into German society in another 150 years, we can revisit this point.
Are we granting rights with a medieval mindset based on who stepped the x land first?
On May 12 2017 15:21 Acrofales wrote:
And why do you care about German opinion polls?
Because it makes me sad to hear once an ally nation who fought a world war together, now trusts the Nato's first enemy more than the TR.
On May 12 2017 15:21 Acrofales wrote:
Not really. I'm not quite sure why your hated of Germany is so big. You have plenty of enemies far closer to home to worry about. Turkey leaving NATO seems like it'll really hurt Turkey. But hey, to each their own.
I don't hate Germany, got no reason to hate it if we are talking about the German public or the state. But yes, I hate MERKEL like you hate Erdogan.
On May 12 2017 15:21 Acrofales wrote:
Anyway, I'll now go back to not reading your posts, because this about as weird a jumble of accusations and whataboutism as I can stand.
At least accept my small farewell song.
EPT
