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Denmark became the latest Nordic country to experience rising public support for the European Union, defying predictions that a U.K. vote to exit would inspire other euro-skeptic corners of the bloc.
According to a Voxmeter poll published by Ritzau on Monday, 69 percent of Danes now back EU membership, up from 59.8 percent in a poll held prior to the U.K. vote. The poll also found that the proportion of respondents wanting a U.K.-style referendum had fallen to 32 percent from 40.7 percent.
“This poll confirms that nobody wants to put themselves in the kind of mess the British have created for themselves,” said Marlene Wind, a professor in political science at the University of Copenhagen. "Prior to the Brexit vote there were lots of predictions that a British exit would trigger others to put their EU membership on the line."
Rather than stoking anti-EU sentiment, the financial and political chaos that’s enveloping the U.K. is for now shoring up support for the beleaguered bloc. The Spanish election following the Brexit referendum showed a revival for the main establishment party, while polls across the Nordic region have also indicated rising backing for the EU.
Ahead of the June 23 U.K. vote, analysts had warned of a possible "domino-effect" in other countries that have a lukewarm relationship with the EU. Like Britain, Denmark joined the bloc late, didn’t adopt the euro and has negotiated a number of opt-outs over the years.
A post-Brexit survey in Finland released last week also saw a surge in support for EU membership to 68 percent, from 56 percent in March.
In the other Nordic country’s EU member, Sweden, backing for EU membership was 52 percent, according to a TNS Sifo poll held on June 26. A Statistics Sweden survey published on June 2 put such backing at 49 percent.
The Brexit vote had generated "a wake-up call across Europe," with citizens now seeing it as "a big gamble" and associating it with "uncertainty," Wind said.
The leaders of Denmark, Sweden and Finland have all pledged to stay in the EU in the wake of the U.K. decision.
www.bloomberg.com
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Any reason why Sweden is relatively unhappy with the EU?
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There is a difference between supporting EU and not wanting to leave - the anti-EU sentiment is still going plenty strong (I don't know what they expected when there were politicians proclaiming referendums to be undemocratic in the wake of BREXIT).
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On July 04 2016 21:18 Laurens wrote:
Any reason why Sweden is relatively unhappy with the EU?
lol really? Because they are a bunch of racist who don't want to take in millions of inmigrants. Selfish bastards.
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This must be some kind of new Tourette's syndrom i haven't heard about yet.
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It's GoTuNk!. He comes into threads and spreads strong right-wing views that might be very casually related to the topic at hand, no matter what is being talked about. It is quite annoying.
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On July 05 2016 06:37 Simberto wrote:
It's GoTuNk!. He comes into threads and spreads strong right-wing views that might be very casually related to the topic at hand, no matter what is being talked about. It is quite annoying.
I was using the left wing mantra in a sarcastic way, it probably wasn't as obvious as I tought. To reply to Laurens question, it probably has to do with EU inmigration policies and how it has affected Sweden particularly.
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Or maybe Sweden has a highly functional and successful economy while the lesser EU states can't seem to recover from the last recession.
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Or maybe they are still struggling with the refugee crysis and also search a way to blame the EU for it.
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On July 05 2016 13:23 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2016 06:37 Simberto wrote:
It's GoTuNk!. He comes into threads and spreads strong right-wing views that might be very casually related to the topic at hand, no matter what is being talked about. It is quite annoying. I was using the left wing mantra in a sarcastic way, it probably wasn't as obvious as I tought. To reply to Laurens question, it probably has to do with EU inmigration policies and how it has affected Sweden particularly.
It was very obvious. Which is why i answered with that post.
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A French parliamentary investigation into last year’s terrorist attacks on Paris has identified multiple failings by France’s intelligence agencies.
The parliamentary commission was set up to assess the failure to prevent a series of attacks that killed a total of 147 people in 2015 – from January’s gun attacks on the Charlie Hebdo offices and a kosher grocery store to the coordinated gun and bomb attacks on 13 November outside the national sports stadium, at bars and restaurants and at a rock gig at the Bataclan concert hall.
The commission highlighted a “global failure” of French intelligence and recommended a total overhaul of the intelligence services and the creation of a single, US-style national counter-terrorism agency.
“Our country was not ready; now we must get ready,” said Georges Fenech, head of the commission.
France has six intelligence units answering variously to the interior, defence and economy ministries.
Fenech said the multi-layered, cumbersome intelligence apparatus was like an army of soldiers wearing lead boots.
He said that without the multiple intelligence failings, the Bataclan attack, which killed 90, could have been prevented.
“Faced with the threat of international terrorism, we need to be much more ambitious … in terms of intelligence,” he said.
All the extremists involved in the attacks had been previously flagged to authorities, Fenech said. Some had past convictions, or were under judicial surveillance in France or in Belgium when they struck Paris.
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Hungary to hold referendum on accepting migrants in October (BBC)
Anyone seriously think they will accept? Im saying 70/30 opposition.
Hungary next to leave the union? EU is crumbling before our eyes.
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On July 06 2016 10:38 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Hungary to hold referendum on accepting migrants in October (BBC)
Anyone seriously think they will accept? Im saying 70/30 opposition.
Hungary next to leave the union? EU is crumbling before our eyes.
Hungary just does not want what is becoming an endless stream of migrants from impoverished nations and nations at war staying in their country.
This gas nothing to do with wanting to be part of the EU or not.
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On July 06 2016 10:43 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2016 10:38 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Hungary to hold referendum on accepting migrants in October (BBC)
Anyone seriously think they will accept? Im saying 70/30 opposition.
Hungary next to leave the union? EU is crumbling before our eyes. Hungary just does not want what is becoming an endless stream of migrants from impoverished nations and nations at war staying in their country. This gas nothing to do with wanting to be part of the EU or not.
I think you are forgetting the Merkel Quotas and the apparent inability of EU to control the external borders.
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Exactly.
Hungary refusing to accept EU orders brings the entire top down system into question.
If Hungary can refuse to accept migrants other countries will also.
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It is useless anyway with the free movement of people. Should've just done it with countries which are willing to take refugees instead of forcing it.
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If all the member countries had taken as many refugees as they agreed upon with the quota, the refugee crisis wouldn't be a crisis at all. A small handful of countries dealing with all the immigrants alone while other countries break agreements, close their borders and take in noone at all is what resulted in a crisis that threatens to take down the EU as a whole.
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Maybe some countries didn't want to take refugees because some other country decided that they should. And maybe the refusal to take immigrants stemmed from the fact that it was a crisis before they refused to take immigrants and they were just minimizing the fallout.
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On July 07 2016 00:49 Scorch wrote:
If all the member countries had taken as many refugees as they agreed upon with the quota, the refugee crisis wouldn't be a crisis at all. A small handful of countries dealing with all the immigrants alone while other countries break agreements, close their borders and take in noone at all is what resulted in a crisis that threatens to take down the EU as a whole.
I doubt it. Most countries who are against the quotas wouldn't be taking a lot of immigrants anyway. The issue is also that they'd just go to Germany or the richer countries eventually regardless of where they'd be placed. Forcing countries to do something with marginal gains is stupid.
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The EU's problem is they have a bunch of leaders and bureaucrats that took a look at the 2008 crisis and the refugee crisis and "learned" exactly what they wanted to learn from it, "Oh we need a fiscal union", "Aha! We need common regulations", "We need more young laborers", "The Euro needs more flexibility", etc. They already wanted all those things, and these are merely the crises that "prove" them right, when they just as much could prove the opposite.
So you get pushback because the same crises also prove the "The EU is overregulating us", "we should lower the burden of government", "we need a wall south of Greece" people right in their minds as well. This is why operating based on crises during a crises is dumb, and why operating based on good times during good times is dumb. That's how you get the Greek financial crises, Brexit, etc.
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