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Although this thread does not function under the same strict guidelines as the USPMT, it is still a general practice on TL to provide a source with an explanation on why it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion. Failure to do so will result in a mod action.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10776 Posts
June 28 2016 21:48 GMT
#9761
Turkye is at war with its own people, so... to be expected?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-28 21:52:15
June 28 2016 21:51 GMT
#9762
On June 29 2016 06:48 Velr wrote:
Turkye is at war with its own people, so... to be expected?

It is sad, but that conflict is almost older than I am. I wish they would avoid attack civilization installations, but I am not 100% sure Turkey is that careful about who they attack either.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
June 29 2016 08:24 GMT
#9763
On June 29 2016 06:48 Velr wrote:
Turkye is at war with its own people, so... to be expected?


Well, I consider this port a very ignorant one.
Official statement says that the attacks were committed by ISIS and hardly counted as a war against own people.

And definitely, the attack to an airport (to international zone not the domestic one for this case) is very unexpected no matter what happens.

I couldn't see any difference between Brussels attack and the attack in Istanbul in that matter.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-29 14:13:20
June 29 2016 14:02 GMT
#9764
On June 29 2016 17:24 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2016 06:48 Velr wrote:
Turkye is at war with its own people, so... to be expected?


Well, I consider this port a very ignorant one.
Official statement says that the attacks were committed by ISIS and hardly counted as a war against own people.

And definitely, the attack to an airport (to international zone not the domestic one for this case) is very unexpected no matter what happens.

I couldn't see any difference between Brussels attack and the attack in Istanbul in that matter.


In the west we have this tradition of not acknoweledging muslim terrorists. Soon people will start popping up saying we need stricter gun control and less discrimination from the bigoted right wing to adress the issue. And less Islamophobia obviously.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
June 29 2016 14:44 GMT
#9765
On June 28 2016 14:58 xM(Z wrote:
i recon they'll die before letting that happen not only because they see their gains were made fair and square, but also because they despise them plebs.


It's not that they despise the plebs, it's that the state of precariat is very profitable. As a rule, people don't work 50 hours a week unless they have crippling debt and can be fired on a whim.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
June 29 2016 14:56 GMT
#9766
That rule is incorrect: there is a host of people who work 50+ hours who are neither burdened by debt nor employed at-will.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-29 15:05:46
June 29 2016 15:04 GMT
#9767
This is the 5th major bombing of Turkey in less than a year. Bombings in Turkey were not a normal occurrence before btw.
Turkey June 5, 2015 – 2015 Diyarbakır rally bombings – Twin bombing of a Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) rally. 4 dead, over 100 injured.[130][131]
Turkey July 20, 2015 – 2015 Suruç bombing Suicide bombing killed 33 people and injured 104 in Kurdish majority city of Suruç. ISIL claims responsibility.[139]
Turkey October 10, 2015 – In the 2015 Ankara bombings 102 people were killed and over 400 others injured. According to two high ranked sources in the Turkish security forces ISIL is most likely responsible.[162][163]
Turkey January 12, 2016 – In the 2016 Istanbul bombing an ISIL suicide bomber kills 10 tourists and injures 15 more in the historical centre of Istanbul.[216]
July 28th-29th Three terrorists attacked the arrivals hall and a nearby parking lot with gunfire and explosives, killing 41 people. Of the 239 people injured Tuesday night, 109 remained hospitalized Wednesday, officials said.


I do not know which was the kurds and which was ISIS. It says ISIS claims responsibility for 3-4 of the 5 bombings thus far.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
June 29 2016 17:46 GMT
#9768
On June 29 2016 23:02 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2016 17:24 Laserist wrote:
On June 29 2016 06:48 Velr wrote:
Turkye is at war with its own people, so... to be expected?


Well, I consider this port a very ignorant one.
Official statement says that the attacks were committed by ISIS and hardly counted as a war against own people.

And definitely, the attack to an airport (to international zone not the domestic one for this case) is very unexpected no matter what happens.

I couldn't see any difference between Brussels attack and the attack in Istanbul in that matter.


In the west we have this tradition of not acknoweledging muslim terrorists. Soon people will start popping up saying we need stricter gun control and less discrimination from the bigoted right wing to adress the issue. And less Islamophobia obviously.

Are you lost ? This is the European thread and it seems like you are trying to argue with american ghosts.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-29 19:52:50
June 29 2016 19:50 GMT
#9769
Rogoff's piece on Brexit crack me up. This guy is a joke.

Here, a good piece for once : http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Noizhende
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria328 Posts
June 30 2016 09:19 GMT
#9770
guardian debate about the brexit with some interesting thoughts: (starts at 10 min)

Die neuen Tempel haben schon Risse - künftige Ruinen - einst wächst Gras auch über diese Stadt - über ihre letzte Schicht
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9229 Posts
July 01 2016 11:59 GMT
#9771
Looks like Hofer is getting a second chance, the election results in Austria were just invalidated by their constitutional court.
You're now breathing manually
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
July 01 2016 12:03 GMT
#9772
Austrian presidential election to be held again (source)

The constitutional court overturned the result of the presidential election on May 22nd due to irregularities in the counting process. Although there is no evidence that actual manipulation took place, the possibility cannot be ruled out and the election must be repeated. Right-wing candidate Norbert Hofer, who was defeated by Green candidate Alexander Van der Bellen by a margin of only 30.000 votes, will get another chance to become the EU's first right-wing populist president.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4732 Posts
July 01 2016 14:37 GMT
#9773
Well, what are the chances for different outcome? What are people in Austria thinking about it?
Pathetic Greta hater.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9229 Posts
July 01 2016 14:42 GMT
#9774
I bet van der Bellen will get even more votes because of how Brexit was covered in media.
You're now breathing manually
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
July 01 2016 15:32 GMT
#9775
Noone can tell at this point. The fact that the court ruled in Hofer's favor and an expected low voter turnout are probably advantages for him. The effects of the Brexit and the new chancellor Christian Kern are hard to estimate. People blaming Hofer for yet another tiring election campaign and the cost of the election process will be bad for him.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4548 Posts
July 04 2016 09:51 GMT
#9776
Hofer talking about a referendum in Austria if he gets elected.

Belgian newspaper reports him saying: "If Turkey joins the EU, Austria should get a referendum about EU membership."

Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21853 Posts
July 04 2016 10:01 GMT
#9777
On July 04 2016 18:51 Laurens wrote:
Hofer talking about a referendum in Austria if he gets elected.

Belgian newspaper reports him saying: "If Turkey joins the EU, Austria should get a referendum about EU membership."


Which is weird since Austria is part of the EU and new countries have to be unanimously approved.
So they can't join while he is elected unless he allows it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15352 Posts
July 04 2016 10:18 GMT
#9778
On July 04 2016 19:01 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2016 18:51 Laurens wrote:
Hofer talking about a referendum in Austria if he gets elected.

Belgian newspaper reports him saying: "If Turkey joins the EU, Austria should get a referendum about EU membership."


Which is weird since Austria is part of the EU and new countries have to be unanimously approved.
So they can't join while he is elected unless he allows it.

I doubt that that would be in Hofer's power. Should be a decision by parliament and/or the government, not the president.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
July 04 2016 11:12 GMT
#9779
It is still very theoretic.
They will have to 'solve' Cyprus before seriously thinking about membership.
And the way it trends, it is not happening in the next 50 years....
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
July 04 2016 11:42 GMT
#9780
Also, noone, including Erdogan himself, wants a full EU membership for Turkey.
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