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On June 17 2016 04:19 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2016 03:50 Godwrath wrote:
Thx Opisska, just wanted to kinda get the context better. I think i understand where you are coming from better, about the unions i can't say i disagree there are things that could be improved, but i had found them extremely useful in cases where you have to litigate or go through mediation against the employer and you don't have the resources or knowledge to do so on your own, specially for the youth/poor. Hell yeah, that would be nice - and I hope that actually happens and such unions would be cool by me. I am only really fed up with unions as a nationwide political force (as they are in my country and apparently also in other countries). If they actually just helped people, how could I be against that 
Really, xMz said it all ; of course Unions are problematic. Most people in union would tell you they don't trust their organization, but they can't do much without them.
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Looks like the European Union is on it's last legs.
Do not be surprised to see them start a large scale war in order to preserve their power.
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How does that make any sense?
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On June 24 2016 12:41 JumboJohnson wrote:
How does that make any sense?
Doesn't , but much of what the EU does makes little sense. I mean, the best part of the Euro was that random governments couldn't just inflate away the savings of thier citizens, but the EU decided that instead they would try to do that on an international scale.
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What are you even talking about?
edit; If you're talking about the monetary easing basically every country did that and it's only supposed to bring back infaltion to 2%.
edit2: Not to mention that it's the ECB who makes that decision and they make their own decisions (though of course not totally free of political pressure).
edit 3: You're actually talking about the eurozone btw not the EU. They are 2 seperate things.
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On June 24 2016 15:55 RvB wrote:
What are you even talking about?
edit; If you're talking about the monetary easing basically every country did that and it's only supposed to bring back infaltion to 2%.
edit2: Not to mention that it's the ECB who makes that decision and they make their own decisions (though of course not totally free of political pressure).
this
i mean, we really would like to inflate anything here, but currently the euro doesnt care and either stagnates or deflates away. some important bonds even reached negative interest rates.
inflation desperately needed here.
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I know there are several zones:Eu, Euro, Schengen, etc. They are all intertwined in practice. But yea, the inflation attempts are evidence of the silliness. It is not historically able to do what they are adding of it.
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Intertwined but different.
I am not a fan of the monetary easing myself but the ECB has been historically pretty hawkish. They're more like the Dutch and German in that regard than the French or Italian.
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On June 16 2016 13:08 Nyxisto wrote:
unions are a little bit of a double edged sword. The middle and smaller ones seem fine but some of the larger ones seem more like overgrown mob like organisations. We've pretty big pilot/aircraft related strikes with completely outlandish demands on the union side, although workers in the industry already make quite a lot of money, especially the pilots. Not to mention that the union management seems to earn more than some middle class business owners, which seems a little suspect.
Pushing for unions at least shouldn't come at the expense of a progressive tax system and related things at the federal level.
yeah it's pretty bad, it makes me mad too. because i would do the pilot job for 1/2 of the salary, maybe even less than that
anyway, brexit happened
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Varoufakis seems to have a confused vision for what the Left's goals should be, but also he seems to propose a great many things that would benefit from a Super-National taxation entity. Such as it is, he also seems blinded to the authoritarianism in his own and other sovereigns imposed as a necessary addendum because of those goals.
To me, it seems he opposed entry into the EU because it was fundamentally (being a Northern European creation) a more conservative institution than he would like, but now he opposes Brexit because the UK is even more conservative/neo-liberal. This is not a comment on the merits of the EU, simply a comment on the politics of the institutions making the choices.
Rogoff, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense. We all know Democracy and Democratic decision making is not an absolute good (and I would go farther to describe it as a necessary evil) and stability (even if its not optimal) is better than instability when it comes to disrupting major alliances and institutions. I wonder however (as a fan generally of the Euro because it constrains nation-states individually), why no one seemed to clamor for super-majorities to establish and institute such unions in the first place?
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On June 25 2016 08:30 cLutZ wrote:
Varoufakis seems to have a confused vision for what the Left's goals should be, but also he seems to propose a great many things that would benefit from a Super-National taxation entity. Such as it is, he also seems blinded to the authoritarianism in his own and other sovereigns imposed as a necessary addendum because of those goals.
To me, it seems he opposed entry into the EU because it was fundamentally (being a Northern European creation) a more conservative institution than he would like, but now he opposes Brexit because the UK is even more conservative/neo-liberal. This is not a comment on the merits of the EU, simply a comment on the politics of the institutions making the choices.
Rogoff, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense. We all know Democracy and Democratic decision making is not an absolute good (and I would go farther to describe it as a necessary evil) and stability (even if its not optimal) is better than instability when it comes to disrupting major alliances and institutions. I wonder however (as a fan generally of the Euro because it constrains nation-states individually), why no one seemed to clamor for super-majorities to establish and institute such unions in the first place?
There was a fair bit of wondering how this did not require a 2/3 majority in the UK thread.
Mostly it seems to be because the Remain camp were the ones who promised the referendum (Cameron) thinking it would be a solid win and silence the anti-eu crowd. They didnt actually think they could lose.
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On June 25 2016 08:46 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 08:30 cLutZ wrote:
Varoufakis seems to have a confused vision for what the Left's goals should be, but also he seems to propose a great many things that would benefit from a Super-National taxation entity. Such as it is, he also seems blinded to the authoritarianism in his own and other sovereigns imposed as a necessary addendum because of those goals.
To me, it seems he opposed entry into the EU because it was fundamentally (being a Northern European creation) a more conservative institution than he would like, but now he opposes Brexit because the UK is even more conservative/neo-liberal. This is not a comment on the merits of the EU, simply a comment on the politics of the institutions making the choices.
Rogoff, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense. We all know Democracy and Democratic decision making is not an absolute good (and I would go farther to describe it as a necessary evil) and stability (even if its not optimal) is better than instability when it comes to disrupting major alliances and institutions. I wonder however (as a fan generally of the Euro because it constrains nation-states individually), why no one seemed to clamor for super-majorities to establish and institute such unions in the first place? There was a fair bit of wondering how this did not require a 2/3 majority in the UK thread. Mostly it seems to be because the Remain camp were the ones who promised the referendum (Cameron) thinking it would be a solid win and silence the anti-eu crowd. They didnt actually think they could lose.
Even 60% would have been better than the weak ass mandate of 1%. If a second vote were held today it could go remain by several points. It was such as stupid plan.
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On June 25 2016 08:30 cLutZ wrote:
Varoufakis seems to have a confused vision for what the Left's goals should be, but also he seems to propose a great many things that would benefit from a Super-National taxation entity. Such as it is, he also seems blinded to the authoritarianism in his own and other sovereigns imposed as a necessary addendum because of those goals.
I really didn't like how he essentially stormed out of office to go on a book tour, but I like that he's genuinely trying to build a pan-European left and that he understands that the future of left-wing politics lies in the youth vote and cooperation instead of trying to do what Corbyn does. His half-hearted campaigning for 'Remain' probably was a big contributor to the brexit.
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http://sustainablepulse.com/2016/06/25/russian-parliament-passes-total-ban-on-gmo-crops-and-animals/#.V246IeaLniw Russia’s State Duma adopted Friday the third and final reading of a government bill that introduces a total ban on the cultivation and breeding in Russia of genetically modified (GM) plants and animals, except for scientific research purposes. The Sate Duma has also given the Russian Government the right to prevent the import of products containing GMOs in to Russia, if it is revealed that a specific GMO has a negative impact on human health and/or the environment.
Russia’s Agriculture Minister, Alexander Tkachev, stated Friday; ”The Ministry of Agriculture is strongly against GMOs, Russian products will remain clean.”
The initial first reading of the government bill was held in 2015 and this was followed by the second reading in the Sate Duma earlier this week. The additions in the final bill included the introduction of fines that will be placed on people or companies that violate the ban: a fine of 10,000-50,000 ($150-$750) rubles for individuals and 100,000-500,000 rubles for legal entities ($1,500-$7,500). ..In December 2015, Russian President Vladimir Putin told the Russian Parliament that Russia should become the world’s largest supplier of organic foods. well there should be a pretty big market for that ... right?.
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Caretaker Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy consolidated his position in Spain’s general election as voters backed away from insurgent political forces in favor of the relative security of the People’s Party.
The outcome of Sunday’s voting confounded exit polls and suggested the electorate had shied away from the anti-establishment party Podemos at the last minute. With the U.K. engulfed by political and economic uncertainty following Thursday’s unprecedented vote to quit the European Union, Spaniards bought into Rajoy’s call not to jeopardize the country’s economic recovery. Spanish bonds surged on Monday.
“Without doubt, Brexit has been the black swan in these elections,” Ivan Redondo, a political consultant who advised Rajoy on his 2008 campaign, said by e-mail. “Since Thursday, we’ve seen pro-establishment voters mobilized.”
Rajoy’s PP won 137 seats in the 350-strong Spanish chamber, an improvement on the 123 he won in December’s election. Rajoy’s traditional rivals, the Socialists, fell to 85 seats from 90 last time out, while anti-establishment group Podemos was unchanged on 71. An exit poll by Sigma Dos had shown Podemos overtaking the Socialists with 93 seats.
www.bloomberg.com
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Not really. He doesn't have the numbers to get into office if the PSOE does not want him to, since the only party which could pact with Mariano Rajoy would be Ciudadanos. The results are pretty much the same as the past elections, except PP won +15 diputees, while ciudadanos (the party which would go on coalition with) lost 8, but it's still not enough to win a majority even with Coalicion canaria, PNV, etc...
Every other party's stance on getting Mariano Rajoy elected is basically none.
So everything is exactly in the same situation than the past elections, wether PP and Ciudadanos manage to get PSOE on board, or if PSOE and Podemos will get to pact together.
Funny how the media portrays stuff tho.
Edit - also, i am impressed at the fear to protect the stablishment. If anything this months withouth a goverment had shown more and more scandals about corruption inside the PP, but it seems like a good chunk of the population just don't care.
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A few days ago before the Spanish elections, some media talked about the recorded tape that shows the extreme level of corruption within the government. You can hear a long conversation between the Interior minister of Spain and the chief of the Catalan Anti-Fraud Office, plotting to manipulate the previous catalan elections. Basically they talk about how they tried and failed to find shit about the independentist politicians families/economies. Some newspaper published some of that stuff, even when they knew it was all lies. The policitians sued them after the elections, ofc.
Funny enough, some of the right wing media turned the tape situation around. The minister also says he is the victim, he is not considering quitting and the tape was illegally recorded and that needs to be investigated. The anti-fraud chief "was only doing his job". The police rushed the newspaper office to retrieve the tape lol.
The election results prove that this hasn't affected the PP at all. In most serious countries this would have been a huge uproar, obviously. Here we just call it thursday.
This deep rooted level of corruption is truly sad and looks beyond salvation tbh. As a catalan independentist, this only reaffirms my belief that Catalonia needs to get out of Spain asap.
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I can't disagree with that. As much as i would prefer catalonians to stay with us, the central goverment should be put down by gunfire at this point. And from Europe only comes more fearmongering if we don't stop electing our corrupt elites.
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Serious question: Who is in line to possible replace the established leadership in Spain? Are there capable alternative leaders / parties?
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