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The EU's problem is they have a bunch of leaders and bureaucrats that took a look at the 2008 crisis and the refugee crisis and "learned" exactly what they wanted to learn from it, "Oh we need a fiscal union", "Aha! We need common regulations", "We need more young laborers", "The Euro needs more flexibility", etc. They already wanted all those things, and these are merely the crises that "prove" them right, when they just as much could prove the opposite.
They've really jumped off the deep end into a pool of madness. Anyone see this comment from the German finance minister a few weeks back?
Closing EU borders will lead to incest, German finance minister warns
In an interview with weekly paper Die Zeit, Mr Schäuble rejected the idea Europe could close its borders to immigrants, and said: “Isolation is what would ruin us – it would lead us into incest.”
well, in theory, that could be true for germans(but not only for them) since without immigrants they'll die out(in a somewhat distant future); towards the end they'll have small family pockets/social groups = incest+ Show Spoiler +
in practice, is still laughable because you could just import semen and it'll be way cheaper.
The EU's problem is they have a bunch of leaders and bureaucrats that took a look at the 2008 crisis and the refugee crisis and "learned" exactly what they wanted to learn from it, "Oh we need a fiscal union", "Aha! We need common regulations", "We need more young laborers", "The Euro needs more flexibility", etc. They already wanted all those things, and these are merely the crises that "prove" them right, when they just as much could prove the opposite.
They've really jumped off the deep end into a pool of madness. Anyone see this comment from the German finance minister a few weeks back?
Closing EU borders will lead to incest, German finance minister warns
In an interview with weekly paper Die Zeit, Mr Schäuble rejected the idea Europe could close its borders to immigrants, and said: “Isolation is what would ruin us – it would lead us into incest.”
It's not like he is talking about literal, genetic incest. In the context he uses it it's pretty clear to me that he uses it as a figure of speech - although a rather ill-fitting one.
On July 07 2016 19:07 xM(Z wrote: well, in theory, that could be true for germans(but not only for them) since without immigrants they'll die out(in a somewhat distant future); towards the end they'll have small family pockets/social groups = incest+ Show Spoiler +
in practice, is still laughable because you could just import semen and it'll be way cheaper.
From my point of view two of the main issues with what he is saying is 1.Muslims will not marry non-muslims. 2.Islamic countries already have the highest rates of incest on earth.Pakistan is the highest with around 50% of marriages being between cousins but the rate is also quite high throughout the mid-east.
that was a wise ass comment meant to ridicule the equally ill-fitting one made by Schäuble; i don't intend to pursue it further. some knowledge, on incest:
The Quran gives specific rules regarding incest, which prohibit a man from marrying or having sexual relationships with:
- his father's wife[137] (his mother,[138] or stepmother[139]), his mother-in-law, a woman from whom he has nursed, even the children of this woman[138] - either parent's sister (aunt),[138] - his sister, his half sister, a woman who has nursed from the same woman as he, his sister-in-law (wife's sister) while still married. Half relations are as sacred as are the full relations.[138] - his niece (child of sibling),[138] - his daughter, his stepdaughter (if the marriage to her mother had been consummated), his daughter-in-law.[138]
on interfaith marriage, muslim
Modern practice
In practice, many Arab countries allowed interfaith marriage to Christian or Jewish women but not to non-Muslim men.[8] In Lebanon for example there is no civil personal status law and marriages are performed according to the religion of the spouses. There, Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men, whereas this is possible vice versa,[9] at least if the spouse is a Christian or Jewish woman. Turkey allows marriages to non-Muslim men through secular laws.[10] In Malaysia a non-Muslim must convert to Islam in order to marry a Muslim. The offspring of such unions are automatically Muslims and all Malaysian Muslims are legally prohibited from leaving Islam (Riddah).[11]
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Marriage in Israel
Marriages in Israel can be performed only under the auspices of the religious community to which couples belong, and no religious intermarriages can be performed legally in Israel.[1] Matrimonial law is based on the Millet or confessional community system employed in the Ottoman Empire, which was not modified during the British Mandate and remains in force in the State of Israel.[2]
There are nine officially recognised Christian communities, and Jewish, Muslim and Druze communities in Israel. Marriages in each community are under the jurisdiction of their own religious authorities.[2] The religious authority for Jewish marriages performed in Israel is the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and the Rabbinical courts. The Israeli Interior Ministry registers marriages on presentation of proper documentation. Israel’s religious authorities — the only entities authorized to perform weddings in Israel — are prohibited from marrying couples unless both partners share the same religion. Therefore, interfaith couples can be legally married in Israel only if one of the partners converts to the religion of the other. However, civil, interfaith and same-sex marriages entered into abroad are recognised by the state.[3]
Maybe you will find the odd muslim marrying a non muslim in the west but as you noted above for your Malaysian example the non muslim must convert to Islam.Generally non muslims in the west do not want to do that so they will not marry muslims.So again, like i said, there will be segregation not integration between these populations.
And you'll find that the prophet Muhammed married his cousin.Babies produced from first cousin marriages are 13 times more likely to produce a genetic defect.If thats not proof of incest then what is exactly.
On July 07 2016 19:07 xM(Z wrote: well, in theory, that could be true for germans(but not only for them) since without immigrants they'll die out(in a somewhat distant future); towards the end they'll have small family pockets/social groups = incest+ Show Spoiler +
in practice, is still laughable because you could just import semen and it'll be way cheaper.
From my point of view two of the main issues with what he is saying is 1.Muslims will not marry non-muslims. 2.Islamic countries already have the highest rates of incest on earth.Pakistan is the highest with around 50% of marriages being between cousins but the rate is also quite high throughout the mid-east.
On July 09 2016 23:10 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Maybe you will find the odd muslim marrying a non muslim in the west but as you noted above for your Malaysian example the non muslim must convert to Islam.Generally non muslims in the west do not want to do that so they will not marry muslims.So again, like i said, there will be segregation not integration between these populations.
And you'll find that the prophet Muhammed married his cousin.Babies produced from first cousin marriages are 13 times more likely to produce a genetic defect.If thats not proof of incest then what is exactly.
You appear to have issues with marriage laws.
What has Malaysian and Isreali law got to do with German law? Why are you taking a figurative use of words by a German politician literally? Why do you care so much about the practice of cousin marriage in countries and peoples you don't care about? Cousin marriage is legal in Australia. If you care so much, I am sure you can contact your democratic representative. You can be the first step to changing the laws you dislike.
Laugh about the regressive left in the US all you want, but this surely takes the cake when it comes to mollycoddling of the Religion of Peace.
The woman got raped, but instead of cooperating with the police, she lied about her rapists' identity to protect Islam. So naturally, her rapists kept raping, and only after a second woman fell victim to them, did the first woman co-oporerate with the police by giving a true account of what happened.
Laugh about the regressive left in the US all you want, but this surely takes the cake when it comes to mollycoddling of the Religion of Peace.
The woman got raped, but instead of cooperating with the police, she lied about her rapists' identity to protect Islam. So naturally, her rapists kept raping, and only after a second woman fell victim to them, did the first woman co-oporerate with the police by giving a true account of what happened.
There is a well known gay writter who got raped by a muslim from whichever country (north of Africa but don't remember which), who refused to pursue any charge and help the police and wrote a book about it in France, so it's not new. It's "History of the violence" (Histoire de la violence) from Edouard Louis.
The Swedish police said on Tuesday that they were investigating reports that dozens of young women and girls were sexually assaulted at two music festivals in Sweden last weekend.
The police said there had been five reports of rape and 12 reports of sexual molestation at the Bravalla Festival in Norrkoping, about 100 miles southwest of Stockholm, while 32 sexual assaults had been reported at Putte i Parken, a music festival in Karlstad, about 190 miles west of Stockholm.
Girls and women at the festival in Karlstad said they had been groped by boys and men, Inspector Leif Nystrom of the Karlstad Police Department said in a phone interview. Most were under 18 years old, and three were under 15.
“These were reports of women being touched in unwanted places, such as on their breasts and on their bottoms and inside their underwear,” he said.
Laugh about the regressive left in the US all you want, but this surely takes the cake when it comes to mollycoddling of the Religion of Peace.
The woman got raped, but instead of cooperating with the police, she lied about her rapists' identity to protect Islam. So naturally, her rapists kept raping, and only after a second woman fell victim to them, did the first woman co-oporerate with the police by giving a true account of what happened.
Uhm. No.
From the article you linked: She did initially lie about being raped, only claimed to have been robbed, correct. A few hours later she went back to the police on the insistance of her boyfriend, and told the whole story. Bf did point out that the assailants are still out there and that another woman might have been raped by the same people.
Meanwhile the other woman, unrelated to the case, claimed to have been raped. Which turned out to be made up and a lie, also.
As so often I have to ask: Why is this news? Much less global news?
If you 'so often' have to ask 'Why is rape news', can't you at least consider admitting that there might be something wrong?
When our Bundeskanzlerin has to politely ask immigrants to please, please be a tad more considerate to our pig eating habits, when Christian immigrants have to fear for their lives in refugee homes, when women can't go out on the street showing legs or arms or tummies, there has to be some point at which you regressive leftists might start to consider the cancer that is Islam.
Not radical Islam, that's a tautology. Islam.
Get over your fetish of proving how liberal you are (hint: you aren't liberal if you defend illiberal ideologies) just for a second and you might consider that you're defending people who hate everything you treasure.
Laugh about the regressive left in the US all you want, but this surely takes the cake when it comes to mollycoddling of the Religion of Peace.
The woman got raped, but instead of cooperating with the police, she lied about her rapists' identity to protect Islam. So naturally, her rapists kept raping, and only after a second woman fell victim to them, did the first woman co-oporerate with the police by giving a true account of what happened.
Uhm. No.
From the article you linked: She did initially lie about being raped, only claimed to have been robbed, correct. A few hours later she went back to the police on the insistance of her boyfriend, and told the whole story. Bf did point out that the assailants are still out there and that another woman might have been raped by the same people.
Meanwhile the other woman, unrelated to the case, claimed to have been raped. Which turned out to be made up and a lie, also.
As so often I have to ask: Why is this news? Much less global news?
Because it is completely related to migrants. It is undeniable that they rape way more than other demographics.
The current mass rape / sexual assaults around Europe is one of the most disturbing things to happen in a long time, there is some kind of incident happening almost everyday, i am not sure why it wouldn't be news unless you're just talking about DickMcfanny's link alone, but it's not like that is a one off, similar stuff are happening everywhere all around Europe.
It's a really serious issue of which we should talk about. I do not see why it wouldn't be news worthy, ignoring it is not the solution.
On July 11 2016 21:29 zatic wrote: Yes, people raping is wrong.
I'd rather discuss European politico-economics issues here.
it is a political issue when it shows a fatal flaw in the way a significant part of the political spectrum thinks. especially the left has a problem with identifying the simple fact that not all cultures are equal and that some cultures, i.e. ours, are superior to other cultures in a lot of ways. its important to get the message out that no one can come here and live their lifes the way they want to, the can only come here and live their lifes we want them to - which is like we live our lifes with no major adaptations of their cultural peculiarities. or to make it simple: if you cant keep away from others, dont ever think about coming to us. not dealing with the everyday life of our neighbours is what makes our western countries livable, and all those third world countries a shithole of violence.
there needs to be a clear consensus that most of our values are flat out better than the values of the people fleeing to us. it is the only logical conclusion because we changed our values a lot in the last 100 years in a way that differenciates us more from them.
the good thing is that for some odd reason, public bathes are deathtraps for refugees. they drown like flies there, lmao. somehow they never learned simple survival techniques like not jumping into deep water.
On July 11 2016 22:17 Godwrath wrote: Does anyone have real stats on the increase of rape in recent times or are we are just talking on a hunch ?
The stats are begining to show up as this is somewhat new. What's really really disturbing is how western governments (and media) have covered up this shit to keep up their narrative.
Sweden is a prime example:
(5 min video with sources at the bottom, I don't care what pseudo-intellectuals think about youtube, data needs explanation to be coherent).
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