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Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1884 Posts
45 minutes ago
#28621
On October 30 2026 02:32 Uldridge wrote:
I don't get this discussion.

Scale between US and fucking Serbia is so massively different you won't be able to get this kind of cohesion that is necessary for this type of change.

So while GH may advocate for a similar kind of movement and Janiska pointing out the scale being too different, you're both correct, or incorrect or maybe better: the results are unknown until proven otherwise. I'll be happy to change my tune on actual change in the US happening when I see major areas in the Bible belt siding with a "new grassroots movement" based on civil disobedience, not backing established actors, peaceful protesting and proclaiming class consciousness.

Edit: I don't even think Janiska is necessarily disagreeing with you. He's just very wary of the differences in scale and therefor very sceptical. I think he'd be delighted if such a change/movement were to actually happen.


Yeah, thank you, that's exactly it.

Unfortunately, as we keep on learning and re-learning many people on the more far left part of the equation can't tolerate anyone other then themselves being right, not even a little, so the discussion goes to shit.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24456 Posts
41 minutes ago
#28622
On October 30 2026 02:32 Uldridge wrote:
I don't get this discussion.

+ Show Spoiler +
Scale between US and fucking Serbia is so massively different you won't be able to get this kind of cohesion that is necessary for this type of change.

So while GH may advocate for a similar kind of movement and Janiska pointing out the scale being too different, you're both correct, or incorrect or maybe better: the results are unknown until proven otherwise. I'll be happy to change my tune on actual change in the US happening when I see major areas in the Bible belt siding with a "new grassroots movement" based on civil disobedience, not backing established actors, peaceful protesting and proclaiming class consciousness.


Edit: I don't even think Janiska is necessarily disagreeing with you.+ Show Spoiler +
He's just very wary of the differences in scale and therefor very sceptical. I think he'd be delighted if such a change/movement were to actually happen.


Jankisa tried to disagree with the theory of change I've been advocating for ~a decade by opening with:
I wish we could summon GH to this thread as it's kind of an antithesis of his anti-election and "no way out except for a revolution" rhetoric.

That is clearly trying to disagree with me and Jankisa made clear he believed Serbia is an example of electoralism working instead what I advocate. That claim (and basis for Jankisa's summoning me) was so wrong that it has been lost in your analysis and part of why you "don't get this discussion".

Rather than reconcile that, Jankisa did some sleight of hand to shift his claim to it being about the plausibility of Serbia's example being applicable to the US which is basically the opposite of his original assertion.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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