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On October 28 2026 01:08 Jankisa wrote:
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On October 28 2026 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 28 2026 00:10 Jankisa wrote:
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They did an amazing job at keeping the momentum going.

Every scandal, every story, every anniversary or court date when it came to the case that gave birth to the movement, they were marching, they were on the streets, they were singing.

Just from a PR perspective, it was an amazing way to do it, and I don't think it has anything to do with polling, it has everything to do with the sense of "we have to get rid of this cancer and we can only do it together" and never let up.

There is a lot of bullshit thrown around of some nationalists being part of that coalition, people who are pro-Russian etc., but in the end, if you want to get rid of an authoritarian, you do need a wide coalition as well as smart organizing.


I wish we could summon GH to this thread as it's kind of an antithesis of his anti-election and "no way out except for a revolution" rhetoric.

Granted I don't know much about Serbia, it looks like exactly the sort of mass organized civil disobedience and parallel power I typically say is necessary (and Democrats/Republicans cracked down on).

From what I understand, the students/activists spent years setting up extended roadblocks on major highway arteries, organized targeted blockades of the state broadcaster (RTS) headquarters, and disrupted regional transportation lines across 400 cities and towns. They also occupied universities/admin buildings and shutdown various parts of infrastructure using their leverage to apply economic and structural pressure

They bypassed the traditional party figureheads and came together to choose 250 academics, lawyers, doctors, actors, farmers and musicians to represent them in the election.

Faced with society collapsing in on itself or displacing an authoritarian regime, enough of society sided with the disruptors and chose displacing the authoritarian with their vote. But the vote is just a stamp, the work preceding the voting (and the civil disobedience) is what makes the votes matter. For them, that included specifically deploying a massive network of ~50,000 trained citizen election-monitors to explicitly safeguard the process against regime manipulation.

Again, from my limited understanding they still have plenty of work to do, but I see this as unambiguously supporting my understanding/advocacy of a functional theory of change.


The "disruption of regional transportation lines" = Students walking on highways and roads to a protest, it wasn't a partizan style revolutionary thing.

They held symbolic, weekly 15-minute traffic blockades on Fridays at 11:52 am, the time of the collapse of the building front that triggered the movement.

The blockades of faculty buildings were done by students and protestors and opposed by police, but police and students never really had any real clashes and the blockades were all temporary.

It's a bit less dramatic and "revolutionary" then you painted it there, but not that far away.

Anyway, the vote wasn't just "a stamp", it was the whole point of the protest movement, get Vučić out, have him do elections, that is the point and end goal of any smart and would be successful electoral system, and they did it, the fact that the vote was the crowning achievement and the goal all of them worked for shouldn't be dismissed.

It's the only way to have a lasting change that is seen as legitimate in the eyes of the rest of the population who might be brain washed as well as the world.

That is the point, the only way that a different option can come to power anywhere, including in USA is by using legitimate ways do to so.

The gap between even your modest interpretation and what "progressives" (nevermind the establishment dyhb Democrat wing) in the US are willing to demand/do/support speaks volumes.

The voting isn't the point. Fundamentally changing the circumstances of the people in opposition to the status quo is the point. Voting is a small part of that compared to the years of organized mass civil disobedience that leveraged people to eventually vote the way they did.

EDIT: Like I said, I'm not too familiar with the particular details, but this is some context I found.

Students in Belgrade supported by professors, teachers and members of the public on Monday started a 24-hour-long blockade of one of the busiest highway interchanges in Serbia’s capital, the Autokomanda.

After dozens of violent incidents at previous protests and blockades, when protesters were rammed by cars, including two incidents in which two students were seriously injured, Monday’s blockade was supported by farmers on tractors as well as by bikers, who provided security for the protesters....

The blockade was a new step after tens of thousands of people protested in Belgrade on Friday and as tens of thousands of others held protests in towns and cities across the country. Many cultural institutions and businesses responded to the students’ call for a general strike on Friday.

Amid the ongoing protests, students have been blockading university buildings for almost two months since a protester was attacked in front of the Belgrade Faculty of Dramatic Arts on November 22.


balkaninsight.com

Street protests in recent weeks also occasionally turned violent when pro-government thugs showed up to disrupt opposition-led gatherings and student demonstrations.

Classes at more than 50 university faculties and a number of secondary schools throughout Serbia have been suspended for days.


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