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Nebuchad
Switzerland12535 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1743 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12535 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1743 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12535 Posts
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Billyboy
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12535 Posts
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Billyboy
2425 Posts
On August 13 2026 03:45 Nebuchad wrote: Which post of mine do you think is snarky? On August 13 2026 02:00 Nebuchad wrote: That is correct, yes. The only problem here is that you said it ironically. But as mentioned, depends on the town your wrote it in. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12535 Posts
On August 13 2026 03:58 Billyboy wrote: But as mentioned, depends on the town your wrote it in. I wrote it in Marly, Switzerland (that one was snarky :p) But okay I apologize if that sounded snarky to you Jankisa, that was my true belief expressed. You wrote something that I think is very clearly true and you wrote it in a way where it clearly implies "What kind of idiot could possibly believe this?"... well, me. I believe this. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1743 Posts
If that's against the rules of the thread or the forum, I apologize. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12535 Posts
On August 13 2026 04:05 Jankisa wrote: I'd just like to point out that it's pretty easy to see the timestamps, if someone comes in with a one liner to bump the thread 6 or so days after the last post in the thread with nothing to add except for a snarky comment I'll be snarky back. If that's against the rules of the thread or the forum, I apologize. Yeah I hesitated before answering it because it's not very important and I was pretty sure that someone else would criticize you for it; but then no one else did, and you were getting away with the bad post, so this morning I read it again and it annoyed me so I ended up clicking post. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10165 Posts
On August 13 2026 04:10 Nebuchad wrote: Yeah I hesitated before answering it because it's not very important and I was pretty sure that someone else would criticize you for it; but then no one else did, and you were getting away with the bad post, so this morning I read it again and it annoyed me so I ended up clicking post. To be honest, i was in the same boat, but then i remembered that he truly thinks "he is looking for solutions" and he chose to ignore the valid criticism and victimize himself, so why bother? | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1743 Posts
Again, 0 actual arguments except whataboutism and snarky comments, but if I defend myself you guys will come in with shitty one liners and continue with the insults. I addressed every piece of whatabout bullshit arguments and posed questions that no one bothered to answer, of course, you are welcome to continue to be dishonest and triggered, but don't expect me not to call you out. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12535 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1743 Posts
I think I replied to everything but I might be wrong, as far as those 2 contributors, one went with "well actually your country shouldn't be a country" and the other with a bunch of "but what about this other thing", which is exactly whataboutism. No one at any point addressed the whole point of trying to look for solution, the way that this plays and will continue to play in the rise of the right and more specifically anti immigrant right all across the world and especially in Europe. This is the "death of Europe" and "great replacement" bullshit Americans have been pushing, including JD Vance and Rubio in recent big speeches, the thing that has been highlighted in their national security strategy. I made a proposal which ended with: On August 04 2026 00:15 Jankisa wrote: Obviously I'm way oversimplifying this but to me, this seems like the only reasonable long term solution. I'm curious what do our Spaniard members think of this? Most of the replies were "I didn't hear a good argument why this would be something that should be done" when the rest of my post was all that: On August 04 2026 00:15 Jankisa wrote: I personally believe that Spain should give up it's enclaves, I understand those places mean something to them but they are a colonial leftover that is causing huge issues and will continue to cause them indefinitely. We are talking about 160.000 people, out of them I believe under 100.000 are natively Spanish. Offer to buy their properties out or replace them with a place in Spain and give these enclaves to the host countries, who wants to stay can, and perhaps a deal can be struck with Morocco to maintain self governance for these places. This problem is never going to go away and now that the right wingers saw how well these kind of scenes track you can bet your ass that they will start happening more often. If the current Spanish government is as "woke" and for justice as they like to present themselves, this should be the way. I also read your arguments again, I get it that you don't see it that way, but they, to me read just as "what about these examples", again, everyone, including you is trying to talk about anything else other then what to do here, I'm honestly not interested in that. If someone continues to go at about it that way, or just posts snarky stuff, I'll obviously reply, but not by addressing whatever else you want to talk about that has 0 relevance to the issue at hand. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12535 Posts
If we want to be pedantic, those are the places where you find the solutions that would work. If life wasn't better in Europe than it is in Africa, then people wouldn't risk their life migrating from Africa to Europe. There is no valid reason why people on one side of an arbitrary line should have a worse life than people on the other side of that arbitrary line. Borders are fake and cringe. But that's a problem that unfortunately we will never get to solve because it'll be solved in like 400 years, and in 400 years we'll all be dead because of climate change. I can summarize the argument once again it's okay: when we ask people to move from where they live and have lived their whole life against their will, we are doing an action that is unfair toward them. As a general rule, we should aspire to not treat people unjustly. There are cases where I would argue that treating people unjustly can be justified, for example in the process of correcting a larger injustice. But that's not happening here. As such, there is no good argument to do this. It creates conflict and injustice for no real benefit. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9246 Posts
I will say Spain is being hypocritical on the subject. At the same time they are asking for Gibraltar back using Morocco's arguments for Ceuta (territorial continuity and discrediting the people living there as merely settlers), while using the UK's argument for Gibraltar when it comes to keeping Ceuta (right to self determination). I find the latter argument to be stronger. I don't know at what point settlers become locals and get that right, but when everyone that used to live there in the before times died of old age hundreds of years ago and there's no one to directly give it back to we're way past it. Acro also made a good point about rewarding bad behavior, were Spaniards to go mental over Gibraltar and cause a ruckus in it I wouldn't want that to count in their favor on whose it should be. | ||
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Billyboy
2425 Posts
On August 13 2026 03:41 Billyboy wrote: It’s going both ways, or at least that’s how it looks with tone not existing. It appears to be going both ways of discussing this without snark and even further clarification of each persons points. Well done. + Show Spoiler + Pointless post i know, but given how often the threads devolve into arguments about who posts worst or who started it, it seemed worth a comment about the opposite. . | ||
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Sermokala
United States14210 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18446 Posts
On August 14 2026 08:52 Sermokala wrote: I'd like to throw on my ignorant american hat and say in a southern accent. "Well why don't yall just make Morocco an EU member? Would killa buncha birds with only one stone." Interesting idea and in the long term something that could be discussed. But in the short-middle term, insofar as I know Morocco has no interest in joining the EU, nor do they meet the most basic of qualifications (not being in Europe seems mostly irrelevant but some people will no doubt object based on that as well): they don't have a sufficiently democratic government. The 2011 constitution goes in the right direction, but the king still has far too much power. Unlike what people seem to think, the EU doesn't go around telling countries they should join the EU. There is a fairly well structured process (one that aspiring members complain takes far too long) with many requirements, and aspiring members are encouraged to work through the steps, with EU subsidies available for different processes. But the main driver for membership is, initially, the aspiring member: Morocco shows no intention to join. | ||
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