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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
Turkey also has a small part on the European continent while lying mostly in Asia. Should they give it up? How about Egypt and Sinai since it is in Asia? I don't understand why being on a different continent is somehow so critical that it warrants special treatment. After all, continent borders are manmade. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24217 Posts
On August 06 2026 00:37 Jankisa wrote: + Show Spoiler + I mean, am I denying any of this? So far responses to this suggestion were ridicule, misconstruing of what I said and trying to say that my country shouldn't exist. + Show Spoiler + It's honestly ridiculous that you guys are pretending like this is a cut and dry case "of course this shit is Spanish" when these are the only EU borders in Africa. Period. 0 people have addressed any of the reasons I listed why I think these places are more trouble then worth, except attack it with semantics and whataboutism. Of course, you can continue to do so, I'm just telling you it's a pretty bad look. You're describing pretty standard engagement around here. I doubt any of them care. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2852 Posts
On August 06 2026 00:37 Jankisa wrote: I mean, am I denying any of this? So far responses to this suggestion were ridicule, misconstruing of what I said and trying to say that my country shouldn't exist. It's honestly ridiculous that you guys are pretending like this is a cut and dry case "of course this shit is Spanish" when these are the only EU borders in Africa. Period. 0 people have addressed any of the reasons I listed why I think these places are more trouble then worth, except attack it with semantics and whataboutism. Of course, you can continue to do so, I'm just telling you it's a pretty bad look. Is it a bother for Spain? Maybe but not more than they can handle. Is it worth having? It gives them more control over the straight when they don't have Gibraltar. But. 1000x more importantly (and what people are trying to tell you). The thinking about who land belong to because of historical reasons is a particularly fucked up can of worms. Which we don't want to reopen. Those were the really bad days. Most reasonable people are severly against land changing hands because [whatever reason]. Especially historical reasons because then all land belongs to everyone which always lead to war. Demographic reasons are only slightly better (being one of the worst offender for justifying war in the modern age). So no. It's not Moroccan clay and if nothing else Spain should tell them to fuck off so as to not set a precedent. If every country on earth would defend not only their own borders but those of all other countries we would have no wars. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22500 Posts
On August 06 2026 00:37 Jankisa wrote: Because modern borders are what they are. To assume otherwise opens a Pandora's box as old as human history, filled with blood. Every piece of ground on earth can be claimed by a dozen different people depending on how far in time your ready to go. I mean, am I denying any of this? So far responses to this suggestion were ridicule, misconstruing of what I said and trying to say that my country shouldn't exist. It's honestly ridiculous that you guys are pretending like this is a cut and dry case "of course this shit is Spanish" when these are the only EU borders in Africa. Period. 0 people have addressed any of the reasons I listed why I think these places are more trouble then worth, except attack it with semantics and whataboutism. Of course, you can continue to do so, I'm just telling you it's a pretty bad look. Could Spain give up those lands, yes ofcourse they could. The people who live there and consider themselves Spanish might disagree but fuck em. If Spain wants to give those lands away and Marocco wants them they could easily do it. But if Spain doesn't want to then that is the end of it. The alternative is endless bloody war. Is it any different from Gibraltar? Its a random piece of Britain on the European mainland, it caused a headache with Brexit and Spain would love to have it back. But its British and that's the end of it (and there was actually a big treaty signed recently that opens up the Gibraltar border. There was a very good speech by a gentlemen from Africa following the invasion of Ukraine about how Africa deals with the bullshit borders they were given by colonial powers because the alternative would see them wage bloody war to this day.+ Show Spoiler + | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12491 Posts
On August 06 2026 00:56 GreenHorizons wrote: You're describing pretty standard engagement around here. I doubt any of them care. I also engaged with a very calm post that wasn't answered, I assume because there was nothing to complain about within it. | ||
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