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BetterThanThisPlace
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden6 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 14:28:40
July 23 2014 14:25 GMT
#181
On July 23 2014 23:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:00 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:46 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:19 accela wrote:
UN Human Rights boss Navi Pillay says Israel's military actions in Gaza "could amount to war crimes"
The UN's top human rights official has condemned Israel's military actions in the Gaza Strip, saying that war crimes may have been committed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28437626

Well it took couple decades of massacre and genocide in multiple episodes for UN to aknowledge that there might be human rights violations, of course no one would seriously believe that they are just slow on processing the evidences.


It doesn't matter what the UN think.
Projected timeline of events:

7/23/14: UN says Israeli actions may amount to war crimes
7/24/14: Israel rejects this as biased

Then nothing happens.



Why not be honest and say that Israeli Jews deserve to die? Isn't that what you people are too cowardly to say?




That's bullshit. I never even insinuated that, and neither did anyone else on here. Stuff like this is a simple way of avoiding actual discussion. In fact if you read my earlier post on page 1 I explicitly say that it is the fault of those responsible for spreading propaganda and hatred, not those who get swept up in it.
I believe that the politicians responsible for this war on both sides deserve to be jailed for war crimes. Not a single Israeli civilian, military personnel, or anyone else for that matter deserves to die. Simple as that.
Bombing children playing on a beach and you say they are being careful to avoid civilian casualties. What a load of crap.

And fuck your moral calculus, its wrong, plain and simple. Israel has been taking land, murdering innocent civilians with no provocation and generally acting like bullies for years now.


You say that Israel has a right to defend itself, but if they actually do so in any way it is horribly offensive to you. I'm going to call you evil, because your are. I'm going to call you cowardly, because you are.

Read the post that you conveniently failed to quote properly. Only one side is responsible for this war, only one side is guilty of war crimes. The bombing of the 4 children was a tragic mistake - and no Israeli, not a single one is cheering - the kind of tragic mistake that unavoidably happen in every war.

I'm gonna quote Netanyahu as he put it very well: "We [Israel] protect our civilians with missiles, Hamas protects its missiles with civilians." As I said - good versus evil.

So i'm supposed to believe you over UN human rights chief Navi Pillay about these war crimes right?
You seem unbiased.




You believe that Israel deliberatly targeted children on a beach because an official associated with a notoriously corrupt, anti-Israeli outfit said so, without presenting any evidence at all? If he did, that is - I haven't seen a source.

Again, say that you want Jews dead and be honest.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 23 2014 14:25 GMT
#182
On July 23 2014 23:23 -Archangel- wrote:
Bill Murray: So now you are spreading hate vs Muslims? Really? on TL?
Show nested quote +
I am not posting bullshit, I am posting the truth.

Due to the Crusades they do not like other religions (e.g. Judaism, Christianity)

It will not end with Israel.

Are you really standing behind these words?

Of course I am. Extremists
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 23 2014 14:25 GMT
#183
On July 23 2014 23:24 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:21 Bill Murray wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:18 KalWarkov wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:17 Bill Murray wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:13 Bill Murray wrote:
When I see a fucking Israeli Wedding that has to disband and is disrupted due to Hamas shooting fucking missiles at them I don't really give a rats ass how many of them are dying

EVERY SINGLE TIME that Israel has taken land from Palestine it has been due to Palestinian Aggression.

If you think this region is volatile right now, regarding Israel, all I have to ask of you is this: What country is next?

It will most definitely be European, or North American

What about the Berlin Olympics?

What about 9/11?

Even if one is a ruse, and the other is targetting a specific group, I ask of you, would you not defend your home, your family?


Oh poor Israelis.
They had to postpone their wedding while their government deliberately murders innocent children on a beach.
At least they have the comfort that you don't give a shit.

quit stirring the pot


i dont know what US media made u believe, but u have no fucking clue about the history between those 2.

Yeah, I made it to state in Academics, with History as my best subject, but you're totally right.

On July 23 2014 23:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:17 Bill Murray wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:13 Bill Murray wrote:
When I see a fucking Israeli Wedding that has to disband and is disrupted due to Hamas shooting fucking missiles at them I don't really give a rats ass how many of them are dying

EVERY SINGLE TIME that Israel has taken land from Palestine it has been due to Palestinian Aggression.

If you think this region is volatile right now, regarding Israel, all I have to ask of you is this: What country is next?

It will most definitely be European, or North American

What about the Berlin Olympics?

What about 9/11?

Even if one is a ruse, and the other is targetting a specific group, I ask of you, would you not defend your home, your family?


Oh poor Israelis.
They had to postpone their wedding while their government deliberately murders innocent children on a beach.
At least they have the comfort that you don't give a shit.

quit stirring the pot

Haha so what were you doing?

I saw a lot of uninformed opinions calling for Israel to be out of the region

It WAS sort of moronic to put them there in the late 40s but what are we to do now, oh wise man?

On July 23 2014 23:18 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:13 Bill Murray wrote:
When I see a fucking Israeli Wedding that has to disband and is disrupted due to Hamas shooting fucking missiles at them I don't really give a rats ass how many of them are dying

EVERY SINGLE TIME that Israel has taken land from Palestine it has been due to Palestinian Aggression.

If you think this region is volatile right now, regarding Israel, all I have to ask of you is this: What country is next?

It will most definitely be European, or North American

What about the Berlin Olympics?

What about 9/11?

Even if one is a ruse, and the other is targetting a specific group, I ask of you, would you not defend your home, your family?

1. Hamas are shooting missiles , Hamas AND other (innocent) Palestinians are dying
2. Israel was founded in a problematic geographical region and have also been agressors themselves (feel free to inform yourself) you cant just say palestinians have been attacking them for no reason (or just because they felt like it, thats what you make it sound like, at least to me)
3. Why would palestinians attack Europe or NA? Do you think they are bad people who get up each morning trying to kill as many people as possible?
4. 9/11 ? seriously?
Please for the love of god stop posting bullshit

I am not posting bullshit, I am posting the truth.

Due to the Crusades they do not like other religions (e.g. Judaism, Christianity)

It will not end with Israel.

On July 23 2014 23:19 Velr wrote:
Quit comparing the Israel/Palestine Situation with Terror attacks like 9/11 or Berlin...

or, what?

I am merely making the affiliation regarding the character of the people that we are dealing with



Or your sounding extremly stupid.

you're*
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
July 23 2014 14:26 GMT
#184
Bill Murray is obviously trolling. Stop responding to him. He is only trying to pull the discussion off topic.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 23 2014 14:26 GMT
#185
On July 23 2014 23:22 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Sorry, but when you start talking about rhetoric where the palestinians are responsible for 9/11 and are taking over the world and invading USA, it's safe to say you are insane.

yeah ad hominem gets people places

It's not an ad hominem. You simply have an alternate history where the palestinians are responsible for 9/11 and are invading USA and you've taken up your bible and guns to defend your home. And replace palestinians with "muslims" now.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 23 2014 14:27 GMT
#186
Wow, this thread already has it's obnoxious little shit, took the ukraine-thread way longer for them to emerge.

Didn't take long.
On track to MA1950A.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 23 2014 14:27 GMT
#187
That's not true. A large portion of the region would consider me an infidel. Refute that
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9709 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 14:29:18
July 23 2014 14:28 GMT
#188
On July 23 2014 23:25 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:00 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:46 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:19 accela wrote:
UN Human Rights boss Navi Pillay says Israel's military actions in Gaza "could amount to war crimes"
The UN's top human rights official has condemned Israel's military actions in the Gaza Strip, saying that war crimes may have been committed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28437626

Well it took couple decades of massacre and genocide in multiple episodes for UN to aknowledge that there might be human rights violations, of course no one would seriously believe that they are just slow on processing the evidences.


It doesn't matter what the UN think.
Projected timeline of events:

7/23/14: UN says Israeli actions may amount to war crimes
7/24/14: Israel rejects this as biased

Then nothing happens.



Why not be honest and say that Israeli Jews deserve to die? Isn't that what you people are too cowardly to say?




That's bullshit. I never even insinuated that, and neither did anyone else on here. Stuff like this is a simple way of avoiding actual discussion. In fact if you read my earlier post on page 1 I explicitly say that it is the fault of those responsible for spreading propaganda and hatred, not those who get swept up in it.
I believe that the politicians responsible for this war on both sides deserve to be jailed for war crimes. Not a single Israeli civilian, military personnel, or anyone else for that matter deserves to die. Simple as that.
Bombing children playing on a beach and you say they are being careful to avoid civilian casualties. What a load of crap.

And fuck your moral calculus, its wrong, plain and simple. Israel has been taking land, murdering innocent civilians with no provocation and generally acting like bullies for years now.


You say that Israel has a right to defend itself, but if they actually do so in any way it is horribly offensive to you. I'm going to call you evil, because your are. I'm going to call you cowardly, because you are.

Read the post that you conveniently failed to quote properly. Only one side is responsible for this war, only one side is guilty of war crimes. The bombing of the 4 children was a tragic mistake - and no Israeli, not a single one is cheering - the kind of tragic mistake that unavoidably happen in every war.

I'm gonna quote Netanyahu as he put it very well: "We [Israel] protect our civilians with missiles, Hamas protects its missiles with civilians." As I said - good versus evil.

So i'm supposed to believe you over UN human rights chief Navi Pillay about these war crimes right?
You seem unbiased.




You believe that Israel deliberatly targeted children on a beach because an official associated with a notoriously corrupt outfit said so, without presenting any evidence at all?

Again, say that you Jews dead and be honest.


No I have specifically said that i don't want anyone dead.
What you are doing is trying to make me look bad. You might as well pull out the old 'anti-semite' line. Its simple deflection, but luckily for me people on TL are not stupid enough to fall for it.
Also, you are pulling the old favorite Israeli trick of equating Israel with Jews as a whole. Many, many Jews don't support Israel and actively protest against it.
I say they deliberately targeted those children because of an interview on Channle 4 in the UK where the Israeli spokesperson refused to say that it was a mistake.

RIP Meatloaf <3
BetterThanThisPlace
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden6 Posts
July 23 2014 14:33 GMT
#189
On July 23 2014 23:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:25 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:00 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:46 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:19 accela wrote:
UN Human Rights boss Navi Pillay says Israel's military actions in Gaza "could amount to war crimes"
The UN's top human rights official has condemned Israel's military actions in the Gaza Strip, saying that war crimes may have been committed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28437626

Well it took couple decades of massacre and genocide in multiple episodes for UN to aknowledge that there might be human rights violations, of course no one would seriously believe that they are just slow on processing the evidences.


It doesn't matter what the UN think.
Projected timeline of events:

7/23/14: UN says Israeli actions may amount to war crimes
7/24/14: Israel rejects this as biased

Then nothing happens.



Why not be honest and say that Israeli Jews deserve to die? Isn't that what you people are too cowardly to say?




That's bullshit. I never even insinuated that, and neither did anyone else on here. Stuff like this is a simple way of avoiding actual discussion. In fact if you read my earlier post on page 1 I explicitly say that it is the fault of those responsible for spreading propaganda and hatred, not those who get swept up in it.
I believe that the politicians responsible for this war on both sides deserve to be jailed for war crimes. Not a single Israeli civilian, military personnel, or anyone else for that matter deserves to die. Simple as that.
Bombing children playing on a beach and you say they are being careful to avoid civilian casualties. What a load of crap.

And fuck your moral calculus, its wrong, plain and simple. Israel has been taking land, murdering innocent civilians with no provocation and generally acting like bullies for years now.


You say that Israel has a right to defend itself, but if they actually do so in any way it is horribly offensive to you. I'm going to call you evil, because your are. I'm going to call you cowardly, because you are.

Read the post that you conveniently failed to quote properly. Only one side is responsible for this war, only one side is guilty of war crimes. The bombing of the 4 children was a tragic mistake - and no Israeli, not a single one is cheering - the kind of tragic mistake that unavoidably happen in every war.

I'm gonna quote Netanyahu as he put it very well: "We [Israel] protect our civilians with missiles, Hamas protects its missiles with civilians." As I said - good versus evil.

So i'm supposed to believe you over UN human rights chief Navi Pillay about these war crimes right?
You seem unbiased.




You believe that Israel deliberatly targeted children on a beach because an official associated with a notoriously corrupt outfit said so, without presenting any evidence at all?

Again, say that you Jews dead and be honest.


No I have specifically said that i don't want anyone dead.
What you are doing is trying to make me look bad. You might as well pull out the old 'anti-semite' line. Its simple deflection, but luckily for me people on TL are not stupid enough to fall for it.
Also, you are pulling the old favorite Israeli trick of equating Israel with Jews as a whole. Many, many Jews don't support Israel and actively protest against it.
I say they deliberately targeted those children because of an interview on Channle 4 in the UK where the Israeli spokesperson refused to say that it was a mistake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-76H-YRjs


Some 'proof' you got there. You're a moron, you know that right?

You're the one making making yourself look bad, it is obvious from your posts that you are a bloody-minded anti-semite.

User was banned for this post.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
July 23 2014 14:35 GMT
#190
On July 23 2014 14:26 Silvanel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 09:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:58 iyasq8 wrote:
I really doubt its about religion. I think the same issue would've happened if they both had the same religion.


No it wouldn't have. It's about Religion, pure and simple.


Its about land. It always was. Religion and past crimes just add some gunpowder to the mixture.

If there was no religion and racism involved, then there would be no discussion about land because they wouldnt mind living together or being the same state. It is about religion.
#TheOneTrueDong
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 14:39:36
July 23 2014 14:38 GMT
#191
On July 23 2014 23:35 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 14:26 Silvanel wrote:
On July 23 2014 09:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:58 iyasq8 wrote:
I really doubt its about religion. I think the same issue would've happened if they both had the same religion.


No it wouldn't have. It's about Religion, pure and simple.


Its about land. It always was. Religion and past crimes just add some gunpowder to the mixture.

If there was no religion and racism involved, then there would be no discussion about land because they wouldnt mind living together or being the same state. It is about religion.


Not really. There are a lot of examples of countries fighting but being the same race and religion. Recently - look at the conflict in Ukraine.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 23 2014 14:40 GMT
#192
On July 23 2014 23:33 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:25 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:00 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:46 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:19 accela wrote:
UN Human Rights boss Navi Pillay says Israel's military actions in Gaza "could amount to war crimes"
The UN's top human rights official has condemned Israel's military actions in the Gaza Strip, saying that war crimes may have been committed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28437626

Well it took couple decades of massacre and genocide in multiple episodes for UN to aknowledge that there might be human rights violations, of course no one would seriously believe that they are just slow on processing the evidences.


It doesn't matter what the UN think.
Projected timeline of events:

7/23/14: UN says Israeli actions may amount to war crimes
7/24/14: Israel rejects this as biased

Then nothing happens.



Why not be honest and say that Israeli Jews deserve to die? Isn't that what you people are too cowardly to say?




That's bullshit. I never even insinuated that, and neither did anyone else on here. Stuff like this is a simple way of avoiding actual discussion. In fact if you read my earlier post on page 1 I explicitly say that it is the fault of those responsible for spreading propaganda and hatred, not those who get swept up in it.
I believe that the politicians responsible for this war on both sides deserve to be jailed for war crimes. Not a single Israeli civilian, military personnel, or anyone else for that matter deserves to die. Simple as that.
Bombing children playing on a beach and you say they are being careful to avoid civilian casualties. What a load of crap.

And fuck your moral calculus, its wrong, plain and simple. Israel has been taking land, murdering innocent civilians with no provocation and generally acting like bullies for years now.


You say that Israel has a right to defend itself, but if they actually do so in any way it is horribly offensive to you. I'm going to call you evil, because your are. I'm going to call you cowardly, because you are.

Read the post that you conveniently failed to quote properly. Only one side is responsible for this war, only one side is guilty of war crimes. The bombing of the 4 children was a tragic mistake - and no Israeli, not a single one is cheering - the kind of tragic mistake that unavoidably happen in every war.

I'm gonna quote Netanyahu as he put it very well: "We [Israel] protect our civilians with missiles, Hamas protects its missiles with civilians." As I said - good versus evil.

So i'm supposed to believe you over UN human rights chief Navi Pillay about these war crimes right?
You seem unbiased.




You believe that Israel deliberatly targeted children on a beach because an official associated with a notoriously corrupt outfit said so, without presenting any evidence at all?

Again, say that you Jews dead and be honest.


No I have specifically said that i don't want anyone dead.
What you are doing is trying to make me look bad. You might as well pull out the old 'anti-semite' line. Its simple deflection, but luckily for me people on TL are not stupid enough to fall for it.
Also, you are pulling the old favorite Israeli trick of equating Israel with Jews as a whole. Many, many Jews don't support Israel and actively protest against it.
I say they deliberately targeted those children because of an interview on Channle 4 in the UK where the Israeli spokesperson refused to say that it was a mistake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-76H-YRjs


Some 'proof' you got there. You're a moron, you know that right?

You're the one making making yourself look bad, it is obvious from your posts that you are a bloody-minded anti-semite.
So...he's anti-semite because he disagrees with you and because you said so. Thanks for proving his point right.
EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
July 23 2014 14:40 GMT
#193
On July 23 2014 23:35 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 14:26 Silvanel wrote:
On July 23 2014 09:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:58 iyasq8 wrote:
I really doubt its about religion. I think the same issue would've happened if they both had the same religion.


No it wouldn't have. It's about Religion, pure and simple.


Its about land. It always was. Religion and past crimes just add some gunpowder to the mixture.

If there was no religion and racism involved, then there would be no discussion about land because they wouldnt mind living together or being the same state. It is about religion.


It's not rooted in religion. You could try changing both sides' religion and nationality to something different and speculate how events would have unfolded then - the results would be very similar.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 23 2014 14:41 GMT
#194
On July 23 2014 23:38 mdb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:35 TommyP wrote:
On July 23 2014 14:26 Silvanel wrote:
On July 23 2014 09:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:58 iyasq8 wrote:
I really doubt its about religion. I think the same issue would've happened if they both had the same religion.


No it wouldn't have. It's about Religion, pure and simple.


Its about land. It always was. Religion and past crimes just add some gunpowder to the mixture.

If there was no religion and racism involved, then there would be no discussion about land because they wouldnt mind living together or being the same state. It is about religion.


Not really. There are a lot of examples of countries fighting but being the same race and religion. Recently - look at the conflict in Ukraine.

Ukraine...you can't really say they are the same race. It's complicated.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15353 Posts
July 23 2014 14:41 GMT
#195
On July 23 2014 23:38 mdb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:35 TommyP wrote:
On July 23 2014 14:26 Silvanel wrote:
On July 23 2014 09:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:58 iyasq8 wrote:
I really doubt its about religion. I think the same issue would've happened if they both had the same religion.


No it wouldn't have. It's about Religion, pure and simple.


Its about land. It always was. Religion and past crimes just add some gunpowder to the mixture.

If there was no religion and racism involved, then there would be no discussion about land because they wouldnt mind living together or being the same state. It is about religion.


Not really. There are a lot of examples of countries fighting but being the same race and religion. Recently - look at the conflict in Ukraine.

It's still unreasonable to believe that Ukraine will fight over Donbass for the next couple of decades. Of course religion and race place a huge role.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1945 Posts
July 23 2014 14:42 GMT
#196
On July 23 2014 21:37 BetterThanThisPlace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 11:33 ninazerg wrote:
Israel was also the aggressor in 1947. Before the war even started, they anticipated that Palestinian Arabs would resist Israeli control, and began importing weapons from both the U.S. and Soviet Union. Israeli launched an attack the day the British withdrew, but only after Yishuv forces waged a guerrilla war against the UK from 1944 to 1947. This led the UN to draw up a partition plan that neither Yishuv or Palestinian Arabs accepted, and so, when the British left, the Palestinian Arabs were heavily outmatched by Israeli forces, and mass refugees began pouring into neighboring Arab states, who felt political pressure to "stop the massacre".

Israel has never recognized the sovereignty of Palestine in any way, shape, or form. Israel has steadfastly destroyed Arab communities across the West Bank and Gaza and replaced them with Israeli settlements. The reason that Israel and Palestine have not reached a treaty is because Israel refuses to accept any Palestinian state, and will continue to attack both the West Bank and Gaza, bulldoze Arab neighborhoods, and replace them with Israeli settlements until the UN puts their foot down and says enough.

For anyone who says "They've been fighting for thousands of years", that's bullshit; from 638 A.D. to 1947 A.D., Palestine has been an Arab territory, controlled by Arabs who have lived peacefully alongside Jewish people for ages until the Balfour Declaration and the British policy of allowing massive Jewish immigration during the 1930s.


Lies, lies and damned lies. This will be my only message to you as I cannot stand dishonest anti-semites such as yourself. I'm responding to you only so that your incitement won't go unanswered.

Israel wasn't the aggressor upon its founding in 1947, this a quote from Wikipedia that describes the parties responses to the UN partition plan: "The Jewish Agency, which was the recognized representative of the Jewish community, accepted the plan, but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee of Palestine rejected it.[82] On 1 December 1947, the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a three-day strike, and Arab bands began attacking Jewish targets.[83] The Jews were initially on the defensive as civil war broke out, but gradually moved onto the offensive.[84]"
Note that the Jews were willing to go along with what the UN had proscribed and share the land in peace, but this was all rendered moot when the Arabs launched their war of genocide. (This is not mentioned in the article and I have no source for it at hand, but their ambition was to "drive the Jews in to the sea".) And no, there were no "massacre" committed by the Jews.

The next year, 1948 that is, the Arabs tried to follow in the Nazi's footsteps once again: "The following day, the armies of four Arab countries—Egypt, Syria, Transjordan and Iraq—entered what had been British Mandatory Palestine, launching the 1948 Arab–Israeli War;[89][90]". And again their evil plans didn't come to fruition, largely because of their own their own incompetence - but that's not really relevant. They would go on to repeatedly try to slaughter the Jews.

With all the Palestinian communities supposedly destroyed by the Jews its odd that their population has skyrocketed and doubled several times over since the forties. In reality, Israeli Arabs live under the best economic and politic circumstances in the ME, they have full rights and representatives in the Israeli parliament - the Knesset - and many serve in the IDF to protect the state against terrorists and hostile state actors. As a whole they are becoming more patriotic and fond of Israel with each year that passes. Even those that wish the country harm generally admire its democracy.

It should be perfectly obvious to all non-antisemitc, non-extremist zealots why there have no been no peace treaty. Lets get this straight first of all - the IDF is fighting a wholly defensive war - that it didn't want or initiate - against terrorist forces that have as its ultimate aim the murder of all Jews in Israel (which they are very forthcoming about in their founding charter). Hamas came to power in a democratic vote at which point it was clear what Hamas was and what they were after. In other words, the Palestinians voted for Jihadists to do what they could to commit genocide. Polls since then has shown the same thing, not only are the Palestinians the most anti-semitic people on Earth, they also overwhelmingly see the diplomatic process as a means to weaken Israel ahead of a future war of conquest. Guess what they'd do subjugated Jews? Israel cannot be expected to sign peace treaties that would have no more meaning than ink on a page, that would also cripple its ability to defend itself.

This brings me smoothly to my next point - which is arguably your most heinous lie. "Palestine has been an Arab territory, controlled by Arabs who have lived peacefully alongside Jewish people for ages until the Balfour Declaration and the British policy of allowing massive Jewish immigration during the 1930s." Arabs have committed gruesome, truly horrific and barbaric pogroms against subjugated Jews for centuries in the holy land. Look up, say, the 1920 Palestine riots or the Safed pogrom if you're not eating. This is what has happened to religious and ethnic minorities under the rule of Muslims since the dawn of Islam. Worse would happen to former Israeli Jews of course.



You must be the most hateful and slandering person i've seen on this thread until now. Every fucking country in this world has acted cruely and barbarious towards their minorities or internal enemies throughout time. Most of them did it in the early 20th century. If you want to keep track who did what when, you will lose your mind. The point is, after 1945, every nation on earth should have understood where nationalism, hate and oppression leads too. Israel should have known the best. Every side of every conflict that started for hateful reasons after 1945 is a sign of stupidity and whoever justifies it or defends one side only should never ever be taken reasonable. Yes, the arabs attacked the jews when their land was taken away just like that. Yes, the jews did strike back and did absolutely nothing to resolve the issue. Both sides are responsible and both sides should be tried for war crimes until there is no politician/terrorist left that does not propose a complete disarmament of all troops ind the region. Like that would ever happen.

And just for your information, the muslims, since their forming in the 8th century, have been the most tolerant of all religious groups. That may have changed at some point in history, but sentences like "This is what has happened to religious and ethnic minorities under the rule of Muslims since the dawn of Islam." show that you are just a hateful, misinformed being.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
July 23 2014 14:42 GMT
#197
On July 23 2014 23:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:13 Bill Murray wrote:
When I see a fucking Israeli Wedding that has to disband and is disrupted due to Hamas shooting fucking missiles at them I don't really give a rats ass how many of them are dying

EVERY SINGLE TIME that Israel has taken land from Palestine it has been due to Palestinian Aggression.

If you think this region is volatile right now, regarding Israel, all I have to ask of you is this: What country is next?

It will most definitely be European, or North American

What about the Berlin Olympics?

What about 9/11?

Even if one is a ruse, and the other is targetting a specific group, I ask of you, would you not defend your home, your family?


Oh poor Israelis.
They had to postpone their wedding while their government deliberately murders innocent children on a beach.
At least they have the comfort that you don't give a shit.

They didnt deliberately murder children on a beach. They were supposedly misidentified as fleeing fighters, thats what I heard. Also Israel sent a warning telling civilians to evacuate, so they really do not want to kill them.
#TheOneTrueDong
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Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
July 23 2014 14:44 GMT
#198
On July 23 2014 23:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:38 mdb wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:35 TommyP wrote:
On July 23 2014 14:26 Silvanel wrote:
On July 23 2014 09:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:58 iyasq8 wrote:
I really doubt its about religion. I think the same issue would've happened if they both had the same religion.


No it wouldn't have. It's about Religion, pure and simple.


Its about land. It always was. Religion and past crimes just add some gunpowder to the mixture.

If there was no religion and racism involved, then there would be no discussion about land because they wouldnt mind living together or being the same state. It is about religion.


Not really. There are a lot of examples of countries fighting but being the same race and religion. Recently - look at the conflict in Ukraine.

Ukraine...you can't really say they are the same race. It's complicated.

What? First of all races don't exist, we are all Human. Secondly, even if you used word race, by the way it is used, Ukranians and Russians would be of same one.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9709 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 14:45:29
July 23 2014 14:45 GMT
#199
On July 23 2014 23:42 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:13 Bill Murray wrote:
When I see a fucking Israeli Wedding that has to disband and is disrupted due to Hamas shooting fucking missiles at them I don't really give a rats ass how many of them are dying

EVERY SINGLE TIME that Israel has taken land from Palestine it has been due to Palestinian Aggression.

If you think this region is volatile right now, regarding Israel, all I have to ask of you is this: What country is next?

It will most definitely be European, or North American

What about the Berlin Olympics?

What about 9/11?

Even if one is a ruse, and the other is targetting a specific group, I ask of you, would you not defend your home, your family?


Oh poor Israelis.
They had to postpone their wedding while their government deliberately murders innocent children on a beach.
At least they have the comfort that you don't give a shit.

They didnt deliberately murder children on a beach. They were supposedly misidentified as fleeing fighters, thats what I heard. Also Israel sent a warning telling civilians to evacuate, so they really do not want to kill them.


Yeah sorry that post was kinda flamey. I'm still a bit confused as to why the Israeli spokesperson refused to admit that it was a mistake though.
RIP Meatloaf <3
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 14:48:50
July 23 2014 14:47 GMT
#200
On July 23 2014 23:42 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:13 Bill Murray wrote:
When I see a fucking Israeli Wedding that has to disband and is disrupted due to Hamas shooting fucking missiles at them I don't really give a rats ass how many of them are dying

EVERY SINGLE TIME that Israel has taken land from Palestine it has been due to Palestinian Aggression.

If you think this region is volatile right now, regarding Israel, all I have to ask of you is this: What country is next?

It will most definitely be European, or North American

What about the Berlin Olympics?

What about 9/11?

Even if one is a ruse, and the other is targetting a specific group, I ask of you, would you not defend your home, your family?


Oh poor Israelis.
They had to postpone their wedding while their government deliberately murders innocent children on a beach.
At least they have the comfort that you don't give a shit.

They didnt deliberately murder children on a beach. They were supposedly misidentified as fleeing fighters, thats what I heard. Also Israel sent a warning telling civilians to evacuate, so they really do not want to kill them.


Evacuate Gaza and go where? They aren't allowed to leave. There are currently around 100000 Palestinians in Gaza fleeing their homes, living on the streets or sleeping in schools. They have no bomb shelters or safe areas to go to.
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