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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 23 2014 14:48 GMT
#201
Another way to maybe not end this, but enforce peace (no option because i don't believe the right wing in Israel actually wants peace is to put boots on the ground.

I mean, let's briefly be honest. You have a hamas-retard firing a rocket from a hospital. Fair enough. Now israels reaction to that is to shell the hospital, which they know is a hospital. In a dense populated area. And somehow, with that in mind, they try to justify their killings of civilians.

In fact, i blame that on the IDF. While it's their job to protect israeli civilians, and there's no disagreement from me here, they act like cowards. They deliberately chose to kill civilians over endangering their lives. That is worthy of criticism and has to be criticised. Get paratroopers there. Paratroopers who don't use palestine civilians as bulletshield (there's known instances of that too). Behead the hamas. Execute every person that shoots rockets.

The video posted earlier has the right question: if you can't distinguish between 4 boys playing football on the beach and hamas-terrorists with rocket launchers, then all your talk about "surgical strikes" is just bullshitting.
On track to MA1950A.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 23 2014 14:49 GMT
#202
--- Nuked ---
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9710 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 14:51:45
July 23 2014 14:50 GMT
#203
On July 23 2014 23:48 m4ini wrote:
Another way to maybe not end this, but enforce peace (no option because i don't believe the right wing in Israel actually wants peace is to put boots on the ground.

I mean, let's briefly be honest. You have a hamas-retard firing a rocket from a hospital. Fair enough. Now israels reaction to that is to shell the hospital, which they know is a hospital. In a dense populated area. And somehow, with that in mind, they try to justify their killings of civilians.

In fact, i blame that on the IDF. While it's their job to protect israeli civilians, and there's no disagreement from me here, they act like cowards. They deliberately chose to kill civilians over endangering their lives. That is worthy of criticism and has to be criticised. Get paratroopers there. Paratroopers who don't use palestine civilians as bulletshield (there's known instances of that too). Behead the hamas. Execute every person that shoots rockets.

The video posted earlier has the right question: if you can't distinguish between 4 boys playing football on the beach and hamas-terrorists with rocket launchers, then all your talk about "surgical strikes" is just bullshitting.


I actually agree with you here.
Someone needs to take responsibility for protecting Gaza against Israel and vica versa. Obviously their respective governments have shown that they are unable to do so without causing massive civilian casualties.

Instead, what we have is every rich country choosing a side and funding them with money, weapons etc.
Most of them choose Israel.
Why not choose peace?
RIP Meatloaf <3
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 14:52:24
July 23 2014 14:52 GMT
#204
On July 23 2014 23:47 DrainX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:42 TommyP wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:13 Bill Murray wrote:
When I see a fucking Israeli Wedding that has to disband and is disrupted due to Hamas shooting fucking missiles at them I don't really give a rats ass how many of them are dying

EVERY SINGLE TIME that Israel has taken land from Palestine it has been due to Palestinian Aggression.

If you think this region is volatile right now, regarding Israel, all I have to ask of you is this: What country is next?

It will most definitely be European, or North American

What about the Berlin Olympics?

What about 9/11?

Even if one is a ruse, and the other is targetting a specific group, I ask of you, would you not defend your home, your family?


Oh poor Israelis.
They had to postpone their wedding while their government deliberately murders innocent children on a beach.
At least they have the comfort that you don't give a shit.

They didnt deliberately murder children on a beach. They were supposedly misidentified as fleeing fighters, thats what I heard. Also Israel sent a warning telling civilians to evacuate, so they really do not want to kill them.


Evacuate Gaza and go where? They aren't allowed to leave. There are currently around 100000 Palestinians in Gaza fleeing their homes, living on the streets or sleeping in schools. They have no bomb shelters or safe areas to go to.

I thought the Israeli government told of just a couple cities in Gaza that needed to be evacuated?
#TheOneTrueDong
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
July 23 2014 14:54 GMT
#205
On July 23 2014 23:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:48 m4ini wrote:
Another way to maybe not end this, but enforce peace (no option because i don't believe the right wing in Israel actually wants peace is to put boots on the ground.

I mean, let's briefly be honest. You have a hamas-retard firing a rocket from a hospital. Fair enough. Now israels reaction to that is to shell the hospital, which they know is a hospital. In a dense populated area. And somehow, with that in mind, they try to justify their killings of civilians.

In fact, i blame that on the IDF. While it's their job to protect israeli civilians, and there's no disagreement from me here, they act like cowards. They deliberately chose to kill civilians over endangering their lives. That is worthy of criticism and has to be criticised. Get paratroopers there. Paratroopers who don't use palestine civilians as bulletshield (there's known instances of that too). Behead the hamas. Execute every person that shoots rockets.

The video posted earlier has the right question: if you can't distinguish between 4 boys playing football on the beach and hamas-terrorists with rocket launchers, then all your talk about "surgical strikes" is just bullshitting.


I actually agree with you here.
Someone needs to take responsibility for protecting Gaza against Israel and vica versa. Obviously their respective governments have shown that they are unable to do so without causing massive civilian casualties.

Instead, what we have is every rich country choosing a side and funding them with money, weapons etc.
Most of them choose Israel.
Why not choose peace?

UN could sent troops there if USA would stop helping Israel wage this war so badly.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
July 23 2014 14:56 GMT
#206
On July 23 2014 23:54 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:48 m4ini wrote:
Another way to maybe not end this, but enforce peace (no option because i don't believe the right wing in Israel actually wants peace is to put boots on the ground.

I mean, let's briefly be honest. You have a hamas-retard firing a rocket from a hospital. Fair enough. Now israels reaction to that is to shell the hospital, which they know is a hospital. In a dense populated area. And somehow, with that in mind, they try to justify their killings of civilians.

In fact, i blame that on the IDF. While it's their job to protect israeli civilians, and there's no disagreement from me here, they act like cowards. They deliberately chose to kill civilians over endangering their lives. That is worthy of criticism and has to be criticised. Get paratroopers there. Paratroopers who don't use palestine civilians as bulletshield (there's known instances of that too). Behead the hamas. Execute every person that shoots rockets.

The video posted earlier has the right question: if you can't distinguish between 4 boys playing football on the beach and hamas-terrorists with rocket launchers, then all your talk about "surgical strikes" is just bullshitting.


I actually agree with you here.
Someone needs to take responsibility for protecting Gaza against Israel and vica versa. Obviously their respective governments have shown that they are unable to do so without causing massive civilian casualties.

Instead, what we have is every rich country choosing a side and funding them with money, weapons etc.
Most of them choose Israel.
Why not choose peace?

UN could sent troops there if USA would stop helping Israel wage this war so badly.

they could then try to remove illegal rocket launchers and settlements... oh... wait...
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
July 23 2014 14:57 GMT
#207
On July 23 2014 23:56 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:54 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:48 m4ini wrote:
Another way to maybe not end this, but enforce peace (no option because i don't believe the right wing in Israel actually wants peace is to put boots on the ground.

I mean, let's briefly be honest. You have a hamas-retard firing a rocket from a hospital. Fair enough. Now israels reaction to that is to shell the hospital, which they know is a hospital. In a dense populated area. And somehow, with that in mind, they try to justify their killings of civilians.

In fact, i blame that on the IDF. While it's their job to protect israeli civilians, and there's no disagreement from me here, they act like cowards. They deliberately chose to kill civilians over endangering their lives. That is worthy of criticism and has to be criticised. Get paratroopers there. Paratroopers who don't use palestine civilians as bulletshield (there's known instances of that too). Behead the hamas. Execute every person that shoots rockets.

The video posted earlier has the right question: if you can't distinguish between 4 boys playing football on the beach and hamas-terrorists with rocket launchers, then all your talk about "surgical strikes" is just bullshitting.


I actually agree with you here.
Someone needs to take responsibility for protecting Gaza against Israel and vica versa. Obviously their respective governments have shown that they are unable to do so without causing massive civilian casualties.

Instead, what we have is every rich country choosing a side and funding them with money, weapons etc.
Most of them choose Israel.
Why not choose peace?

UN could sent troops there if USA would stop helping Israel wage this war so badly.

they could then try to remove illegal rocket launchers and settlements... oh... wait...

At this point I only care about lives of civilians. If Israel don't want to have troops in that areas so they can clear Hamas without civilians dying, they need to let others do that.
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
July 23 2014 15:01 GMT
#208
On July 23 2014 23:57 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:56 mahrgell wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:54 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:48 m4ini wrote:
Another way to maybe not end this, but enforce peace (no option because i don't believe the right wing in Israel actually wants peace is to put boots on the ground.

I mean, let's briefly be honest. You have a hamas-retard firing a rocket from a hospital. Fair enough. Now israels reaction to that is to shell the hospital, which they know is a hospital. In a dense populated area. And somehow, with that in mind, they try to justify their killings of civilians.

In fact, i blame that on the IDF. While it's their job to protect israeli civilians, and there's no disagreement from me here, they act like cowards. They deliberately chose to kill civilians over endangering their lives. That is worthy of criticism and has to be criticised. Get paratroopers there. Paratroopers who don't use palestine civilians as bulletshield (there's known instances of that too). Behead the hamas. Execute every person that shoots rockets.

The video posted earlier has the right question: if you can't distinguish between 4 boys playing football on the beach and hamas-terrorists with rocket launchers, then all your talk about "surgical strikes" is just bullshitting.


I actually agree with you here.
Someone needs to take responsibility for protecting Gaza against Israel and vica versa. Obviously their respective governments have shown that they are unable to do so without causing massive civilian casualties.

Instead, what we have is every rich country choosing a side and funding them with money, weapons etc.
Most of them choose Israel.
Why not choose peace?

UN could sent troops there if USA would stop helping Israel wage this war so badly.

they could then try to remove illegal rocket launchers and settlements... oh... wait...

At this point I only care about lives of civilians. If Israel don't want to have troops in that areas so they can clear Hamas without civilians dying, they need to let others do that.


In any armed conflict since the end of WWII the large majority of victims have been non-combatants, civilians. Killing off Hamas would claim a huge number of civilian lives regardless of who would be doing it.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 23 2014 15:04 GMT
#209
Chances are that any first world military, even a combined coalition with alll the messes in communication would do a better job than the Isreali military who actively hates and lesser values the lives of the Palestinians.
ApocAlypsE007
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Israel1007 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 15:08:50
July 23 2014 15:06 GMT
#210
On July 23 2014 23:57 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:56 mahrgell wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:54 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:48 m4ini wrote:
Another way to maybe not end this, but enforce peace (no option because i don't believe the right wing in Israel actually wants peace is to put boots on the ground.

I mean, let's briefly be honest. You have a hamas-retard firing a rocket from a hospital. Fair enough. Now israels reaction to that is to shell the hospital, which they know is a hospital. In a dense populated area. And somehow, with that in mind, they try to justify their killings of civilians.

In fact, i blame that on the IDF. While it's their job to protect israeli civilians, and there's no disagreement from me here, they act like cowards. They deliberately chose to kill civilians over endangering their lives. That is worthy of criticism and has to be criticised. Get paratroopers there. Paratroopers who don't use palestine civilians as bulletshield (there's known instances of that too). Behead the hamas. Execute every person that shoots rockets.

The video posted earlier has the right question: if you can't distinguish between 4 boys playing football on the beach and hamas-terrorists with rocket launchers, then all your talk about "surgical strikes" is just bullshitting.


I actually agree with you here.
Someone needs to take responsibility for protecting Gaza against Israel and vica versa. Obviously their respective governments have shown that they are unable to do so without causing massive civilian casualties.

Instead, what we have is every rich country choosing a side and funding them with money, weapons etc.
Most of them choose Israel.
Why not choose peace?

UN could sent troops there if USA would stop helping Israel wage this war so badly.

they could then try to remove illegal rocket launchers and settlements... oh... wait...

At this point I only care about lives of civilians. If Israel don't want to have troops in that areas so they can clear Hamas without civilians dying, they need to let others do that.

You can't wage a sterile military operation, there will always be civilian casulties, especially if one side activelly uses them as shield. And who would you send? UN? Like the most impotent organization? US? doubt they will want to repeat the same shit as Iraq and Afganistan? UNIFIL who does nothing in Lebanon?
On July 24 2014 00:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Chances are that any first world military, even a combined coalition with alll the messes in communication would do a better job than the Isreali military who actively hates and lesser values the lives of the Palestinians.

Good luck with that, we all saw how it went well with Iraq.
I'm playing the game, the one that will take me to my end, i'm waiting for the rain, TO WASH-- WHO I AM!!!
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
July 23 2014 15:06 GMT
#211
On July 24 2014 00:01 AngryMag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:57 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:56 mahrgell wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:54 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:48 m4ini wrote:
Another way to maybe not end this, but enforce peace (no option because i don't believe the right wing in Israel actually wants peace is to put boots on the ground.

I mean, let's briefly be honest. You have a hamas-retard firing a rocket from a hospital. Fair enough. Now israels reaction to that is to shell the hospital, which they know is a hospital. In a dense populated area. And somehow, with that in mind, they try to justify their killings of civilians.

In fact, i blame that on the IDF. While it's their job to protect israeli civilians, and there's no disagreement from me here, they act like cowards. They deliberately chose to kill civilians over endangering their lives. That is worthy of criticism and has to be criticised. Get paratroopers there. Paratroopers who don't use palestine civilians as bulletshield (there's known instances of that too). Behead the hamas. Execute every person that shoots rockets.

The video posted earlier has the right question: if you can't distinguish between 4 boys playing football on the beach and hamas-terrorists with rocket launchers, then all your talk about "surgical strikes" is just bullshitting.


I actually agree with you here.
Someone needs to take responsibility for protecting Gaza against Israel and vica versa. Obviously their respective governments have shown that they are unable to do so without causing massive civilian casualties.

Instead, what we have is every rich country choosing a side and funding them with money, weapons etc.
Most of them choose Israel.
Why not choose peace?

UN could sent troops there if USA would stop helping Israel wage this war so badly.

they could then try to remove illegal rocket launchers and settlements... oh... wait...

At this point I only care about lives of civilians. If Israel don't want to have troops in that areas so they can clear Hamas without civilians dying, they need to let others do that.


In any armed conflict since the end of WWII the large majority of victims have been non-combatants, civilians. Killing off Hamas would claim a huge number of civilian lives regardless of who would be doing it.

They don't need to kill them off, just permanently remove their toys and stop the supply of new ones.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 15:10:49
July 23 2014 15:09 GMT
#212
On July 24 2014 00:06 ApocAlypsE007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:57 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:56 mahrgell wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:54 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:48 m4ini wrote:
Another way to maybe not end this, but enforce peace (no option because i don't believe the right wing in Israel actually wants peace is to put boots on the ground.

I mean, let's briefly be honest. You have a hamas-retard firing a rocket from a hospital. Fair enough. Now israels reaction to that is to shell the hospital, which they know is a hospital. In a dense populated area. And somehow, with that in mind, they try to justify their killings of civilians.

In fact, i blame that on the IDF. While it's their job to protect israeli civilians, and there's no disagreement from me here, they act like cowards. They deliberately chose to kill civilians over endangering their lives. That is worthy of criticism and has to be criticised. Get paratroopers there. Paratroopers who don't use palestine civilians as bulletshield (there's known instances of that too). Behead the hamas. Execute every person that shoots rockets.

The video posted earlier has the right question: if you can't distinguish between 4 boys playing football on the beach and hamas-terrorists with rocket launchers, then all your talk about "surgical strikes" is just bullshitting.


I actually agree with you here.
Someone needs to take responsibility for protecting Gaza against Israel and vica versa. Obviously their respective governments have shown that they are unable to do so without causing massive civilian casualties.

Instead, what we have is every rich country choosing a side and funding them with money, weapons etc.
Most of them choose Israel.
Why not choose peace?

UN could sent troops there if USA would stop helping Israel wage this war so badly.

they could then try to remove illegal rocket launchers and settlements... oh... wait...

At this point I only care about lives of civilians. If Israel don't want to have troops in that areas so they can clear Hamas without civilians dying, they need to let others do that.

You can't wage a sterile military operation, there will always be civilian casulties, especially if one side activelly uses them as shield. And who would you send? UN? Like the most impotent organization? US? doubt they will want to repeat the same shit as Iraq and Afganistan? UNIFIL who does nothing in Lebanon?


Yes, there always will be a civilian toll. But in this case, israel is getting nowhere. They don't end the war. At this rate, in 100 years, there still will be rockets flying and IDF retaliating.

A civilian toll is "acceptable" (it never is, but justifiable) if you can end the war based on that. For now, IDF looks awfully content with just killing civilians while expecting the rockets to magically disappear.

edit: as for the underlined part, don't act as if the IDF never did that too.
On track to MA1950A.
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
July 23 2014 15:10 GMT
#213
On July 24 2014 00:06 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 00:01 AngryMag wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:57 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:56 mahrgell wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:54 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:48 m4ini wrote:
Another way to maybe not end this, but enforce peace (no option because i don't believe the right wing in Israel actually wants peace is to put boots on the ground.

I mean, let's briefly be honest. You have a hamas-retard firing a rocket from a hospital. Fair enough. Now israels reaction to that is to shell the hospital, which they know is a hospital. In a dense populated area. And somehow, with that in mind, they try to justify their killings of civilians.

In fact, i blame that on the IDF. While it's their job to protect israeli civilians, and there's no disagreement from me here, they act like cowards. They deliberately chose to kill civilians over endangering their lives. That is worthy of criticism and has to be criticised. Get paratroopers there. Paratroopers who don't use palestine civilians as bulletshield (there's known instances of that too). Behead the hamas. Execute every person that shoots rockets.

The video posted earlier has the right question: if you can't distinguish between 4 boys playing football on the beach and hamas-terrorists with rocket launchers, then all your talk about "surgical strikes" is just bullshitting.


I actually agree with you here.
Someone needs to take responsibility for protecting Gaza against Israel and vica versa. Obviously their respective governments have shown that they are unable to do so without causing massive civilian casualties.

Instead, what we have is every rich country choosing a side and funding them with money, weapons etc.
Most of them choose Israel.
Why not choose peace?

UN could sent troops there if USA would stop helping Israel wage this war so badly.

they could then try to remove illegal rocket launchers and settlements... oh... wait...

At this point I only care about lives of civilians. If Israel don't want to have troops in that areas so they can clear Hamas without civilians dying, they need to let others do that.


In any armed conflict since the end of WWII the large majority of victims have been non-combatants, civilians. Killing off Hamas would claim a huge number of civilian lives regardless of who would be doing it.

They don't need to kill them off, just permanently remove their toys and stop the supply of new ones.


Meaning occupying the Gaza strip and it's borders removing all the weapons? For how long? Who says their suppliers won't reopen their shops the minute the occupying force is gone? Yeah Hamas would surely be up for it and not fight the invading force. Which leads back to the point of huge loss of civilian life.


-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
July 23 2014 15:34 GMT
#214
On July 24 2014 00:10 AngryMag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 00:06 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 24 2014 00:01 AngryMag wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:57 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:56 mahrgell wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:54 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:48 m4ini wrote:
Another way to maybe not end this, but enforce peace (no option because i don't believe the right wing in Israel actually wants peace is to put boots on the ground.

I mean, let's briefly be honest. You have a hamas-retard firing a rocket from a hospital. Fair enough. Now israels reaction to that is to shell the hospital, which they know is a hospital. In a dense populated area. And somehow, with that in mind, they try to justify their killings of civilians.

In fact, i blame that on the IDF. While it's their job to protect israeli civilians, and there's no disagreement from me here, they act like cowards. They deliberately chose to kill civilians over endangering their lives. That is worthy of criticism and has to be criticised. Get paratroopers there. Paratroopers who don't use palestine civilians as bulletshield (there's known instances of that too). Behead the hamas. Execute every person that shoots rockets.

The video posted earlier has the right question: if you can't distinguish between 4 boys playing football on the beach and hamas-terrorists with rocket launchers, then all your talk about "surgical strikes" is just bullshitting.


I actually agree with you here.
Someone needs to take responsibility for protecting Gaza against Israel and vica versa. Obviously their respective governments have shown that they are unable to do so without causing massive civilian casualties.

Instead, what we have is every rich country choosing a side and funding them with money, weapons etc.
Most of them choose Israel.
Why not choose peace?

UN could sent troops there if USA would stop helping Israel wage this war so badly.

they could then try to remove illegal rocket launchers and settlements... oh... wait...

At this point I only care about lives of civilians. If Israel don't want to have troops in that areas so they can clear Hamas without civilians dying, they need to let others do that.


In any armed conflict since the end of WWII the large majority of victims have been non-combatants, civilians. Killing off Hamas would claim a huge number of civilian lives regardless of who would be doing it.

They don't need to kill them off, just permanently remove their toys and stop the supply of new ones.


Meaning occupying the Gaza strip and it's borders removing all the weapons? For how long? Who says their suppliers won't reopen their shops the minute the occupying force is gone? Yeah Hamas would surely be up for it and not fight the invading force. Which leads back to the point of huge loss of civilian life.

It is not occupation if UN forces do it :D Let the UN finally be useful for something. They have lots to atone for like Srebrenica, let this be their penance.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 15:45:34
July 23 2014 15:34 GMT
#215
What the fuck is it with this casualty argument? On some days the Hamas has fired over 100 rockets at Israel. Just because they happen to suck at hitting somebody does that somehow make that better?Is Israel supposed to wait until an equal amount of Israelis dies before they retaliate? After 9/11 the United states started two wars at the other end of the world(with casualties in the hundred thousands), but Israel is not allowed to defend themselves against terrorism at their doorstep? With their history?

Since the founding of the Israelian state, as some posters have pointed out before, the Arab World has tried to get rid of Israel. They could have had a two state solution right in 47 if they wished. A ridiculous amount of people in the region has it made their declared goal to kill every Jew they can find, while 20% of the Israelian population is Arabic. 10% of the Knesset seats are held by Arab Israelis, in the single country in the region that is democratic and has a functioning economy.

Painting Israel as some kind of child killing murderous occupier is Anti-semitic. (looks familiar?)

Every war has casualties. Especially if you're fighting someone who utilizes civilian casualties as a propaganda tool like the Hamas does. People in Europe who can't stand to see a woman in a headscarf suddenly discover their love for a group of jihadistic militants that want to create a Shariah state, because that's obviously better than the evil child-eating Jews.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 15:37:34
July 23 2014 15:35 GMT
#216
Sorry double posts.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 15:40:10
July 23 2014 15:36 GMT
#217
On July 24 2014 00:10 AngryMag wrote:
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On July 24 2014 00:06 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 24 2014 00:01 AngryMag wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:57 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:56 mahrgell wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:54 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:48 m4ini wrote:
Another way to maybe not end this, but enforce peace (no option because i don't believe the right wing in Israel actually wants peace is to put boots on the ground.

I mean, let's briefly be honest. You have a hamas-retard firing a rocket from a hospital. Fair enough. Now israels reaction to that is to shell the hospital, which they know is a hospital. In a dense populated area. And somehow, with that in mind, they try to justify their killings of civilians.

In fact, i blame that on the IDF. While it's their job to protect israeli civilians, and there's no disagreement from me here, they act like cowards. They deliberately chose to kill civilians over endangering their lives. That is worthy of criticism and has to be criticised. Get paratroopers there. Paratroopers who don't use palestine civilians as bulletshield (there's known instances of that too). Behead the hamas. Execute every person that shoots rockets.

The video posted earlier has the right question: if you can't distinguish between 4 boys playing football on the beach and hamas-terrorists with rocket launchers, then all your talk about "surgical strikes" is just bullshitting.


I actually agree with you here.
Someone needs to take responsibility for protecting Gaza against Israel and vica versa. Obviously their respective governments have shown that they are unable to do so without causing massive civilian casualties.

Instead, what we have is every rich country choosing a side and funding them with money, weapons etc.
Most of them choose Israel.
Why not choose peace?

UN could sent troops there if USA would stop helping Israel wage this war so badly.

they could then try to remove illegal rocket launchers and settlements... oh... wait...

At this point I only care about lives of civilians. If Israel don't want to have troops in that areas so they can clear Hamas without civilians dying, they need to let others do that.


In any armed conflict since the end of WWII the large majority of victims have been non-combatants, civilians. Killing off Hamas would claim a huge number of civilian lives regardless of who would be doing it.

They don't need to kill them off, just permanently remove their toys and stop the supply of new ones.


Meaning occupying the Gaza strip and it's borders removing all the weapons? For how long? Who says their suppliers won't reopen their shops the minute the occupying force is gone? Yeah Hamas would surely be up for it and not fight the invading force. Which leads back to the point of hug loss of civilian life.



People who think killing kids at this scale is justified seriously lack heart, not to mention that this kind of inhumane warfare lead the survivor to extremism.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 23 2014 15:45 GMT
#218
On July 24 2014 00:34 Nyxisto wrote:
What the fuck is it with this casualty argument? On some days the Hamas has fired over 100 rockets at Israel. Just because they happen to suck at hitting somebody does that somehow make that better?Is Israel supposed to wait until an equal amount of Israelis dies before they retaliate? After 9/11 the United states started two wars at the other end of the world(with casualties in the hundred thousands), but Israel is not allowed to defend themselves against terrorism at their doorstep? With their history?

This. The Palestinian apologism in this thread is ridiculous. I'd expect any nation to react at least as harshly as Israel has if rockets were being continuously fired at their cities. And if that means that a lot of civilians have to die because Hamas is using civilians as shields, so be it. It's not like Israel is making Hamas park their weapons and rocket launcher in hospitals, schools, and mosques. You can look at the entirety of Israeli/Palestinian relations over the past 80 years, and it's very clear that there's plenty of blood on both sides. However, there's absolutely no disputing who's in the right with this present conflict.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
July 23 2014 15:48 GMT
#219
All of Nyxisto's argument are fraudulent and I will adress them as soon as I get back home.

I m going to the pro gaza manifestation in Paris.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1946 Posts
July 23 2014 15:48 GMT
#220
Yes. No one is. You are correct.
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