Malaysian airliner shot down over Eastern Ukraine - Page 64

There have been suggestions that the missile was fired from fields on the outskirts of Snizhne. Many in Torez did not want to speak about the Buk or claimed not to have heard anything about it. Others said the missile's journey through the town had been a talking point in recent days, but people were scared of divulging too much to outsiders. None of those who reported sightings of the Buk wanted their names published.

Armed rebels at a checkpoint outside the entrance to Snizhe were turning away cars with journalists on Tuesday, saying they had received orders not to let the press into the town.

On July 22 2014 23:44 m4ini wrote:
Just as a unrelated sidenews though: on Sunday. Malaysian Airlines flight MH4 (Airbus A380) on route from Kuala Lumpur to London was tracked flying above Syria. Apparently they were tracked flying a fraction south of a town called Homs, which was an epicenter of fighting. (from flightradar24)

Apparently, they didn't learn. Not that i would need to fly anytime soon, but you bet i wont fly with Malaysian Airlines.

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Hm. Interesting indeed, but personally, i take this with a grain of salt. A big one.

On July 23 2014 05:38 chrisolo wrote:


Even if your assumption is much more likely, you shouldnt dismiss the possibility of people trying to search for alive people in order to help them. I would hope most people want to help first, before looting dead bodies..

Still the looting aspect seems more likely to me ;/

On July 23 2014 05:36 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:

I want to say this is being too quick to judge Malaysian Airlines, but I don't know enough to say whether or not that's true. Anyone in the know mind enlightening me?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior U.S. intelligence officials say they have no evidence of direct Russian government involvement in the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

They say the passenger jet was likely felled by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine and that Russia "created the conditions" for the downing by arming the separatists.

The officials briefed reporters Tuesday under ground rules that their names not be used in discussing intelligence related to last week's air disaster, which killed 298 people.

They said they didn't know if any Russians were present at the missile launch, and they wouldn't say that the missile crew was trained in Russia.

A senior official said the most likely explanation was the plane was shot down by mistake.

On July 23 2014 00:34 m4ini wrote:


I can't read any danish, could you tell me what they're quoting as their source? Because judging by flightaware and flightradar24, the only "outstanding" flight is indeed the 12th. Would need to check weather etc, maybe they flew around a thunderstorm or something.

But other than the 12th, everything i checked looked vastly different to what your newspaper is saying.

According to CNN, there was a significant storm situated right over MH17's planned path through southern Ukraine. In response, the pilots may have requested a route through the northeast to provide a safer and smoother ride for the passengers. Unfortunately, the course change took them right over the disputed region in the east where Ukrainian forces have been battling pro-Russian separtists.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/a-fateful-thunderstorm-may-have-doomed-flight-mh17-2014-7#ixzz38EudcQVh

On July 22 2014 23:44 Roman666 wrote:
Now this is interesting. If a separatist really stated as it written below it just confirms what mostly everyone was suspecting so far. They shot down the plane believing it was a UA military.

http://www.corriere.it/english/14_luglio_22/how-malaysian-plane-was-shot-down-51e99c60-118f-11e4-affb-3320a03d21e8.shtml

The witness of the Italian newspaper could be found on the basis of a photograph. Although he did not want to comment again, two of his comrades were willing to testify. One said the group had received order from their superiors to "go there and find the man parachuting out" after the explosion. Another added: "Let me explain. Each aircraft that emerges here is an enemy aircraft. Because we ourselves have no aircraft. And the planes that fly here are hostile aircraft."

On July 23 2014 06:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


OT: As far as we know Syrian opposition doesn't have access to MANPAD'S.

On July 23 2014 19:31 Rustug wrote:
Today, at four o'clock, we'll have a moment of silence at my company. Four of my colleagues and their families died when MH17 was shot down.

I did not know them personally, but when I type in their names in our company address list, there they are.
It's all very surreal and it makes me feel sad.

On July 23 2014 19:30 radiatoren wrote:

Some photos from US intelligence has also been released in the same briefing. You can see them on The Guardian. It is indices of Russian material leaving a base in Rostov-on-Don to later be associated with the rebels in eastern Ukraine. The base is called a "training facility". Btw. this is a response to the presentation from Russias secret service yesterday. Be aware that the picture evidence in both cases do not conclusively underpin the narratives, making them more likely to be genuine.

UK intelligence officials intercepted communications between pro-Russian separatists, seemingly discussing deliberate attempts to tamper with the scene of the disaster.

Evidence indicates rebels talked about removing victims' remains from the fields of Grabovo, where the plane was shot down.

Sky sources in Whitehall added that the rebels also considered sending the black boxes to Moscow.

Sky's Defence Correspondent Alistair Bunkall said the sources claimed the separatists wanted to confuse the situation further for investigators.

He said: "I think this will play into the fears that many people have that not all of the bodies will be returned, that parts of the plane have been tampered with in order to try and hide any evidence.

Khodakovsky suggested the Buk system is back in Russia: "That Buk I know about. I heard about it. I think they sent it back. Because I found out about it at exactly the moment that I found out that this tragedy had taken place. They probably sent it back in order to remove proof of its presence."

"The question is this: Ukraine received timely evidence that the volunteers have this technology, through the fault of Russia. It not only did nothing to protect security, but provoked the use of this type of weapon against a plane that was flying with peaceful civilians

"They knew that this Buk existed; that the Buk was heading for Snizhne," he said, referring to a village 10km west of the crash site. "They knew that it would be deployed there, and provoked the use of this Buk by starting an air strike on a target they didn't need, that their planes hadn't touched for a week."

"And that day, they were intensively flying, and exactly at the moment of the shooting, at the moment the civilian plane flew overhead, they launched air strikes. Even if there was a Buk, and even if the Buk was used, Ukraine did everything to ensure that a civilian aircraft was shot down."

Yesterday locals in Torez told the Guardian they had seen such a system in rebel hands, but this is the first confirmation from rebels since MH17 crashed.

On Tuesday 22 July 2014 at 22:00 in Kiev, Ukraine, the flight data and cockpit voice recorders (the 'black boxes') from the Malaysian Airlines flight 17 were taken into custody by the Dutch ambassador and a team of investigators led by the Dutch Safety Board. The Dutch Safety Board requested that the Air Accident Investigation Branch of the United Kingdom (AAIB) perform the data download from both the recorders. The recorders were transported to the AAIB's laboratory at Farnborough, arriving 23rd July in the early morning.
An international team of investigators has conducted a thorough examination of the Cockpit Voice Recorder. The Cockpit Voice Recorder was damaged but the memory module was intact. Furthermore no evidence or indications of manipulation of the Cockpit Voice Recorder was found. Following the examination, the Cockpit Voice Recorder data was successfully
downloaded and contained valid data from the flight.
The downloaded data have to be further analysed and investigated. A thorough analysis of the information obtained will take time, the results of this will be included in the investigation. Tomorrow the team will start the examination of the Flight Data
Recorder. This will show whether this recorder also contains relevant information, in which case the data from both recorders will be combined.

On July 24 2014 11:34 Warlock40 wrote:


I read that two jets were shot down. As long as the rebels are taking appropriate precautions to avoid shooting down civilian aircraft (not like there are any left in the region), it's fair game, right?