MH17 Thread

Original Message From Nyxisto:
So is the current policy for the airliner thread not to talk about the Russia/Ukraine conflict at all? That's like talking about the Gaza Strip without using the words Israel or Palestine.

Sure it's a loaded topic but the conflict is what it's all about.

On July 18 2014 09:19 Plexa wrote:
No. Just the neutral source. This is so that both sides of the conflict can't point to the biases of a particular country. It may seem like a redundant step, but we see it as necessary.

On July 18 2014 09:31 Sub40APM wrote:
You do realize that from the perspective of a Russian poster, Western sources are biased since Ukraine is currently a puppet state of the West? I am not saying I agree with that perspective, but your quest for neutrality is doomed, at least until Malaysian reporters get on the scene I guess.

On July 18 2014 09:36 nunez wrote:
tl moderation is embarassing tl with that modnote, and it (tl moderation) seems out of its element. reword it and choose a different approach for moderating sources, or even better yet, close the thread all together if you don't have the capacity to moderate properly on a case by case basis, or even better yet, release the steering wheel and let tl loose on itself.

on one hand separating the crash from the context renders the thread rather pointless. could make a tl-boohoo thread where people can collectively post spoilered boohoos whenever a tragedy occurs (boohoos about putin allowed as well).

on the other hand adding an appendix to the ukraine crisis thread is probably deemed pointless by tl moderation as well (i thought it was great fun, albeit the dyslectic dialectic etc was frustrating at times).

i wager it will take a long time before any solid info will appear, and in the meantime propaganda outlets all across russia and its puppet states (the rest of the world) will be pumping out hot air for pleb consumption.

both thumbs down.

On July 18 2014 09:44 zeo wrote:

I would like to ask what constitutes a neutral media source? It seems like a term that has many loopholes. People are going to start posting news sources that wasted very little time spinning this news to fit an agenda and say 'oh CNN, trusted news source, they even say so on the television'. Saying you can post Routers or another trusted source is fine but names should be put forth and in the end challanged wether they fit the non-biased criteria.

Banning all twitter quasi-news is a must though.

On July 18 2014 10:11 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I was wondering where else you would discuss implications on the Ukraine crisis so i looked up the thread for it but apparently you closed that one too.

Maybe you should make clear in the MH17 thread that discussion about the Ukraine crisis is not welcome here in any form. Because that's what it is essentially.

In the current state the thread serves no purpose. I was in disbelief when you said that this thread was for people to state that they lost a friend/relative. An online forum is not the place for personal griefing or psychological care. I know from reputable news sites that they dont allow you to post personal information and involvements in tragedies because it's not the place to do this. You're supposed to contact the authorities and/or grief with people you know. Also people lie on the internet and are not a reputable source.

Also your definition of unbiased news coverage is ridiculous. Militarily all Nato members are puppet states of the USA. I think this incident, as sad as it is, is an interesting case study how propaganda works and how the different powers fight for the "right" interpretation of what happened. But yeah some topics seem to be too hot to handle for TL mods.

On July 18 2014 10:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Honestly that thread is not big enough to put such a comment on top. It comes off extremely douchey from teamliquid in a way that's very limiting. I'd much rather see people receive 2 day - one week bans if they post something outright stupid, or simply ban people from posting in that thread if they are absolutely stirring it in a wrong direction. The precaution in place really limits the thread in a negative way, to the point where I'd honestly rather go discuss is it anywhere else on the internet with a mature audience.

I strongly support the older TL stance where you get rid of the people on teamliquid that lack maturity, or show extreme opinions, are trolls, and whatever.

Instead, it feels like what TL does now (and LD/LH as well), is that instead of getting rid of toxic people, they try and make them coexist with the veterans of the site, and then any interesting discussion that is meaningful is not allowed. Because fuck, you know what makes good discussions? Controversial topics. If every thread gets this mod note, and educated people are not able to discuss freely, there is no points to have these threads. The only threads that exist are where everyone shares the same opinion about silly things.

I really wish that the "Media/News/Controversial topics" forum, was moderated like the strategy forum. When you are being useless, baiting people, and doing all those other unfriendly things that hurt the experience of others on the site and steer the thread in the wrong direction, simply ban them from those topics.