MH17 Thread - Page 2

On July 18 2014 12:06 scott31337 wrote:
So is this article an acceptable source since it's on a Canadian news site? Or due to it's content its not? I don't want to get banned. http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/17/malaysian-passenger-plane-was-shot-down-by-rebels-intercepted-phone-calls-prove-ukraines-president-says/

On July 19 2014 01:08 Jormundr wrote:
You can post news. Don't post about its 'reddit credibility' because that means absolutely nothing here. Definitely do not cite any sort of reddit comment. Redditors are not an authority on anything; they have no credibility. That link isn't solid, and doesn't really add anything to the thread. A london tabloid saying that "The SBU said..." doesn't give any more weight to what the SBU has claimed so far.

On July 19 2014 02:20 datscilly wrote:


While I agree that individual redditors are not proper sources, I disagree that Reddit itself has little credibility. In fact, many people have given up on reading the "major news outlets" and instead rely on various online sites for their sources of information.

Teamliquid is a place where people discuss and form their opinions as well. If there is a mod note that essentially says "free discussion is not allowed", is that doing a service or disservice to the community?

My point of mentioning reddit is, since the discussion is stifled here + Show Spoiler +, I wish to point them to a place where the discussion is not stifled. There is a lot of interesting information in that reddit thread which is missing from the teamliquid thread.

On July 19 2014 03:42 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
You should be allowed to post official statements or videos by rebels, ukraine or russia. I mean official. But ofc you should not be able to claim something with them. It is interesting to see/read what they say/show.

For example SBU video. You should be able to post it and discussion of it. Claiming things is totaly different.

On July 19 2014 03:51 m4ini wrote:


What good would that do? I can give you all the official statements from all sides right here, right now. "Wasn't us, was them.".

Done. As if the rebels, ukraine or russia would actually say "well it was us, sorry". The only thing the perpetrator would do is try to obfuscate the truth. I don't think that's interesting, but rather annoying. The obfuscating as much as hysterical fingerpointing.

edit: or do you actually think if the ukraine is guilty for that tragedy, the SBU (the secret service, come on) would help in the slightest to uncover that?

The "rebels" already deleted all the tweets that could be used as information on what happened (the tweets about them shooting down a cargo plane for example, even though no cargo plane is missing) - what do you think will be their next statement?

It's just crap, sorry.

On July 19 2014 03:56 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:

Nah, they just don't say "it wasn't us, it was them". I want to see whole picture. How they claim their things? Who says what. That's interesting and it's important what they say. It's happening on their land.

no, it isn't crap.

On July 19 2014 04:06 m4ini wrote:


They don't? Just go on the respective newssites and read, wtf. If you want to see the whole picture, you don't go to sources that potentially want to hide something. That's the dumbest thing you can do.

Not to mention, you can do that just fine. You're not allowed to discuss it in this thread, but you can totally read whatever you want. Who says what was pretty clear, russia says it's ukraines fault, the rebels deleted all their tweets and remain rather silent (even though the resignation of their "commander" is quite telling), the ukraine points to rebels. There. That's all the info you get on ukrainian/russian sources.

Who gives a shit about "how they claim things", if one of them 100% lies anyway? It was either russia, ukraine or the rebels. As long as you don't know which one of these three sources is guilty, what point is there to read their "news"?

That's literally the least important thing. And that "it's happening on their land" crap, gtfo. Neither the ukrainians, nor the russians or the rebels were truthful when it came to euromaidan. Not even remotely. They all hid their wrongdoings, why would it be different this time.

edit: not discussing here though, was my last post about this. As a sidenote though: bs like this derailed the ukraine thread.