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Gorsameth
Netherlands22049 Posts
The most disgusting thing about this is that I expect nothing will come of it. No European action taken, no sanctions, nothing. We have shown time and time again that we have no spine and no willingness to do anything other then mildly stern language. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
On July 19 2014 19:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Going well today. They are now removing bodies to places nobody knows and again disallowing investigation teams. :-X That is pretty much the "west"'s fault, no? After the OSCE was abused for spying purposes and war preparation in Kosovo, why would anyone still trust them? | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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Pangpootata
1838 Posts
On July 19 2014 20:16 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: That is pretty much the "west"'s fault, no? After the OSCE was abused for spying purposes and war preparation in Kosovo, why would anyone still trust them? How about letting the OSCE do their work while supervising them? Right now it just reeks of wanting to allow evidence to deteriorate over time. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
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Meat
Netherlands3751 Posts
On July 19 2014 07:00 Fuell wrote: Sad days. RIP my friend Darryl and your family. I hope everyone here thinks twice before making blunt comments, but Ive really enjoyed some posts thanks all So sorry for your loss, I heard the item on the radio about him. Seems like an awesome guy who had a promising future ahead. | ||
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ArieDeOwner
Netherlands0 Posts
https://twitter.com/QuentinvSleen/status/490456861444149248/photo/1 Scandalous way to act in the face of one of the biggest warcrimes commited against dutch citizens since the second world war. The dutch government has been very reluctant to even acknowledge the gravity of what has happened and has been hardly visible. I fear this toothless approach is going to result in no justice for the victims and no one will ever be prosecuted for this. I'm very ashamed of the way the government is handling this. I think the Australian prime minister was a beacon of hope. His speech resonated with me. Edit: Photo has been confirmed to be real, taken at 1 pm today. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On July 19 2014 22:14 ArieDeOwner wrote: Dutch prime minister enjoying the sun shine......... https://twitter.com/QuentinvSleen/status/490456861444149248/photo/1 Scandalous way to act in the face of one of the biggest warcrimes commited against dutch citizens since the second world war. The dutch government has been very reluctant to even acknowledge the gravity of what has happened and has been hardly visible. I fear this toothless approach is going to result in no justice for the victims and no one will ever be prosecuted for this. I'm very ashamed of the way the government is handling this. . Surely this is a hoax... I do think it's really sad that no one from our government is at the site yet. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11714 Posts
Seriously, random paparazzi photographs are not interesting. I see a guy sitting and speaking on his phone. How is that scandalous? Plus obviously it could be from whenever. Is a prime minister not allowed to ever sit in the sun? | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
This is a tradegy. And who gives a shit where he is/what he dresses like? Maybe he can't do anything at the moment because he already did what he can, to go apeshit now because the PM is casual seems pretty hysteric to me. 1pm is dinnertime, and he clearly just ate judging by the empty plate and coke. Be reasonable. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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ArieDeOwner
Netherlands0 Posts
On July 19 2014 22:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I don't think it's that big of a deal (if the photo is even actually real), but it's just a dumb thing to do. His last appearance was in a press conference uttering 'we will not rest until'. If his next appearance is chilling on a lounge couch that doesn't give much confidence in his determination or his words. This is exactly why it's bad. Of course the man needs to eat but it's about appearance and this doesn't look like a strong leader recently confronted with an attack killing 200 of his citizens. He looks like he's having a leisurely lunch and might stroll back to the office. Can u imagine Barack Obama behaving this way after an attack on US citizens? | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
Singapore Airlines (codesharing flight with SAS and Virgin Australian) flew only 100 seconds behind Malaysian airlines. Air India plane was also 25km away from where malaysian plane got shot. It was going from Delhi to Birginham Source: http://www.sydsvenskan.se/varlden/sas-flygning-hundra-sekunder-fran-katastrofen/ | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On July 19 2014 22:46 ArieDeOwner wrote: This is exactly why it's bad. Of course the man needs to eat but it's about appearance and this doesn't look like a strong leader recently confronted with an attack killing 200 of his citizens. He looks like he's having a leisurely lunch and might stroll back to the office. Can u imagine Barack Obama behaving this way after an attack on US citizens? If this were a pre-planned attack on Dutch people this would have made sense, but given the circumstances what can anyone possibly do? No one targetted the plane intentionally, it was a horrible mistake due to stupidity and incompetence of the people who got their hands on the anti-air weapons system, but still a mistake. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On July 19 2014 22:46 ArieDeOwner wrote: This is exactly why it's bad. Of course the man needs to eat but it's about appearance and this doesn't look like a strong leader recently confronted with an attack killing 200 of his citizens. He looks like he's having a leisurely lunch and might stroll back to the office. Can u imagine Barack Obama behaving this way after an attack on US citizens? That's what you can do with paparazzi photos, you can make someone look however you want them to look. Just pick the right photo out of the hundreds you've made. In this case, pick the one where he looks perfectly relaxed and content and publish them and voila, perfect outrage material. It's incredibly stupid to even care about pictures like this, let alone get angry about them. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Not sure what he could have done better but somehow it feels like he has done nothing at all besides expressing how terrible it all is. Its time we start taking our own responsibility in this incident and acknowledge our own faults. British airways and air france did not fly over that area,yet Malaysian airlines/klm did (apearently because it was cheaper..) They should have taken precautions and not fly over this area (in wich several planes where shot at high altitude in the weeks before..) There should be an investigation who decided to fly over that area and there should be an investigation as why the dutch authoritys didn't forbid their airlines to fly over that area. All this to prevent something like this ever happening in the future. "The most disgusting thing about this is that I expect nothing will come of it. No European action taken, no sanctions, nothing. We have shown time and time again that we have no spine and no willingness to do anything other then mildly stern language" Yup,nothing will come from this unfortunately. It was a horrible accident,what can be done? All we can and imo should do is investigate our own role in all this and if we could and or should somehow have prevented this from happening by not flying over war zones. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
MOSCOW (AP) — A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off. The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that "a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh," adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition. Source | ||
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napo
Romania622 Posts
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