EPTThis sounds like E01S02 from "Sherlock".
It´s kinda strange that it was again a plane from Malaysia Airlines. Their stocks have a worth of like 8 (€)cent, at first I thought this might be an economic thing. You know... conspiracy and so on.
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
This sounds like E01S02 from "Sherlock". It´s kinda strange that it was again a plane from Malaysia Airlines. Their stocks have a worth of like 8 (€)cent, at first I thought this might be an economic thing. You know... conspiracy and so on. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 19 2014 23:52 JoeCool wrote: This sounds like E01S02 from "Sherlock". It´s kinda strange that it was again a plane from Malaysia Airlines. Their stocks have a worth of like 8 (€)cent, at first I thought this might be an economic thing. You know... conspiracy and so on. Since there was a plane literally less than 2 minutes behind it on roughly the same route, i heavily doubt it. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On July 19 2014 23:48 napo wrote: Well thats just shows how retarded they really are, lol. I mean these are the same people who allegedly believed the plane was carrying spies as it had no other legitimate reason to be there. If the intercepts are to be believed. Grasping at straws or just living in denial. | ||
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
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Penev
28536 Posts
On July 20 2014 00:29 Sjokola wrote: To all the people accusing the Dutch prime minister of inaction. First of all I like politicians who are showing restraint. It's hard to unsay or undo things you've said or done. Second, he sent the minister of foreign affairs to Ukraine to investigate the situation himself. He is there with a team of experts. What more do you want? Empty threats? Big words? And for God's sake let a man dress how he wants on his lunch break. Whatever happens you still need to eat and rest. I'm normally not a fan of Rutte but I agree wholeheartedly with your post. This is how you should act in this situation. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which went down yesterday afternoon after being shot with a missile, is now being looted. This is not only causing issues for the investigation, but also for the families of the victims on board, who will now not be able to recover the lost property of the 298 dead passengers and crew. After the crash, investigators were unable to get to the site quickly and rope it off to preserve evidence. This allowed armed separatists and locals to essentially raid the scene. Suitcases were removed from the wreckage and pillaged. The coldhearted looters stole a variety of personal possessions, but left behind some apparent undesirables: a Minnie Mouse lunchbox, a Winnie the Pooh stuffed animal, family photographs, and intact passports. As for what they took, wallets and credit cards were a favorite. A photojournalist at the scene said, "There isn't a single cellphone, wallet with money or camera to be found in any handbag or on the bodies. It's like they all mysteriously disappeared overnight." Source | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/malaysia-airlines/mas/PDF/MH17/MH17 PAX AND CREW MANIFEST.pdf Edit: It's so horrible you can see the names of whole families... | ||
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On July 20 2014 00:38 Penev wrote: I'm normally not a fan of Rutte but I agree wholeheartedly with your post. This is how you should act in this situation. I disagree. Where's the outrage, any form of emotion? One of the first duties of the dutch govt is to protect its citizens, that comes way before securing the sale of flower bulbs to russia, yet somehow the entire cabinet is nothing but passive and trying very hard not to upset anyone even a little. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On July 20 2014 01:07 Sjokola wrote: The removing of evidence should be considered a plea of guild right? No, but it's obstruction | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
There's nothing to "protect". They are already dead. From an accident. Nobody from Ukraine is targetting the Dutch. And from what can be seen, he is doing everything short visiting the war zone or invasion to investigate and recover the bodies. What course of action would you propose? | ||
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oBlade
United States6475 Posts
On July 20 2014 01:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which went down yesterday afternoon after being shot with a missile, is now being looted. This is not only causing issues for the investigation, but also for the families of the victims on board, who will now not be able to recover the lost property of the 298 dead passengers and crew. After the crash, investigators were unable to get to the site quickly and rope it off to preserve evidence. This allowed armed separatists and locals to essentially raid the scene. Suitcases were removed from the wreckage and pillaged. The coldhearted looters stole a variety of personal possessions, but left behind some apparent undesirables: a Minnie Mouse lunchbox, a Winnie the Pooh stuffed animal, family photographs, and intact passports. As for what they took, wallets and credit cards were a favorite. A photojournalist at the scene said, "There isn't a single cellphone, wallet with money or camera to be found in any handbag or on the bodies. It's like they all mysteriously disappeared overnight." ...what pure dirtbags. The Dutch government may or may not be doing a good job but a gossip paparazzi photo of one guy isn't evidence either way, don't buy into that kind of "news." | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 20 2014 01:15 Derez wrote: I disagree. Where's the outrage, any form of emotion? One of the first duties of the dutch govt is to protect its citizens, that comes way before securing the sale of flower bulbs to russia, yet somehow the entire cabinet is nothing but passive and trying very hard not to upset anyone even a little. What purpose exactly would that serve? Can you prove he is not protecting the dutch citizens, or is him dressed casual at lunch all you got as proof that he doesn't do enough? I do understand that people are upset and angry (i already said earlier that these people over there get my blood boiling) - but what you people shout for is not just unrealistic but dumb. Sorry. It's proletic. If your foreign minister with a team is already flying down there, what else do you want him to send, the dutch military? Nukes? Again. Be reasonable. Just because a person (even if he's the PM) has lunch in a fashion that you don't like, doesn't mean he's not doing whatever he realistically can to solve the issues at hand. | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
Not demanding military action, although I wouldn't consider sending troops to secure the crash site out of line or anything, but some form of outrage, some sort of statement would be worthwhile. Instead of a decent prime minister we end up with a supermarket supervisor who just wants to keep selling as much as possible to the people that sent their mercenaries to cause havoc in another state. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On July 20 2014 01:28 Derez wrote: I dont give a shit about the clothing, but imagine the kind of tone you'd be hearing from a french/english/german PM, and how they would take initiative within the EU and NATO and try to get some form of pressure going. Rutte reduces himself to be a small politician of a small country who just stands by on the sidelines and waits for Merkel/Cameron to say something. Not demanding military action, although I wouldn't consider sending troops to secure the crash site out of line or anything, but some form of outrage, some sort of statement would be worthwhile. Instead of a decent prime minister we end up with a supermarket supervisor who just wants to keep selling as much as possible to the people that sent their mercenaries to cause havoc in another state. You didn't watch the 17.45 press conference I reckon? He was very pissed off. | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
My deepest sympathies go too the people who lost their lives and their families | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 20 2014 01:28 Derez wrote: I dont give a shit about the clothing, but imagine the kind of tone you'd be hearing from a french/english/german PM, and how they would take initiative within the EU and NATO and try to get some form of pressure going. Rutte reduces himself to be a small politician of a small country who just stands by on the sidelines and waits for Merkel/Cameron to say something. They wouldn't. Remember, there was germans and whatnot on that plane too. While i agree that the dutch were hit harder in terms of "magnitude of the tradegy", there's still dead people that aren't dutch. I may agree about saberrattling if it was a deliberate attack on the plane, but so far every single piece of "evidence" (well no such thing, don't know the english word for "Indizien") points to an accident. Who do you threaten for an accident? That happened above basically a fighting zone? If anything, it's malaysian airlines, or better the european councilthing that deemed the space safe (apparently they ordered the plane to fly even lower) to fly. That's where anger should go. Not demanding military action, although I wouldn't consider sending troops to secure the crash site out of line or anything, but some form of outrage, some sort of statement would be worthwhile. Instead of a decent prime minister we end up with a supermarket supervisor who just wants to keep selling as much as possible to the people that sent their mercenaries to cause havoc in another state. It is out of line, wtf. If you send military personal to occupy space for however long into a foreign country, it's quite a big deal. Now the UN on the other hand, i mentioned it earlier, should have a unified "emergency-medevac-thingy" for stuff like this. Since i'm not sure because it didn't interest me too much, there wasn't a statement of the dutch PM to this? | ||
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