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On July 18 2014 10:08 Elroi wrote:
How does the other airlines do? Or did before this accident rather? I could have sworn I flew over that area a couple of weeks ago with Scandinavian airlines...
SAS are saying they don't fly that route (before todays event) to those destinations. As for what airlines that do fly you can just look at the relatively large number of airlines that have announced they will stop after today, which's been quite a few.
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On July 18 2014 09:59 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 09:47 Sub40APM wrote:On July 18 2014 09:44 lord_nibbler wrote:On July 18 2014 09:33 Sub40APM wrote:On July 18 2014 09:24 gruff wrote:On July 18 2014 09:06 Boblion wrote:On July 18 2014 05:45 Enzymatic wrote:
Malaysian Prime Minister in press conference:
"If it is concluded that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators be brought to justice" Yea sure. Like if they shot down the plane on purpose. Best fly route ever... really smart to fly over Urkraine atm lol. RIP. So they shouldn't bring the perpetrators to justice? Or what exactly are you implying? Also you can think what you will but it's common flight route for a lot of airlines, it's not like it's just Malaysian airlines that does it. I think he was saying that although 90% of the blame is on the guy who pressed the fire key, or whatever majority of proportion, the people who designed airline routes over conflict zones for the sake of saving fuel costs are fools and should also share a bit of the blame. Airlines still fly over Syria and sometimes Afghanistan! You would expect from anybody, who is able to operate a mobile anti-aircraft rocket unit in coordination with an advanced radar detection unit, to be able to see the difference between a military transporter and a regular civilian airliner. Yes they do, and they endanger their clients when they choose to fly over combat zones. Again, you might say that the shareholders of those companies -- who benefit from the fuel price savings -- are right in gambling on the relatively unlikely chance of a surface to air missile strike or you might say they are wrong. But it is an argument that is also worth having, is saving 50-100 dollars on a airline ticket worth a 4% chance of getting blown up by a war zone missile? Should airlines have to publish not just the cost of the tickets but also their planned route and the contingencies so an average customer can select their flights better? You do know half the cost of a ticket comes from the airport tax. Not avoiding Ukraine air space was a horrible and greedy mistake by Malaysian Air which cost 300 people their lives...
That's kind of taking it a little extreme. If there was a vote yesterday about if air lines should avoid Ukraine now I doubt everyone who is making claims today that it was a horrible decision would have voted yes. This was a flight route for other flights, and up until today I don't see any reported issues with it. Most people would assume that with this type of technology and training needed to use it could tell the difference between military and civilian air crafts. Either way, tragic loss. Hopefully if any good comes from this, it's that even in war zones people need to be extra careful when using military grade weaponry. This is a tragic accident that comes with war, so I hope this doesn't cause some countries to feel they need to do something drastic.
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Some German airline (LuftHansa?) announced a while ago they were rearranging flights over Eastern Ukraine when news appeared they shot down a transport airplane at 6+ km. There were probably quite a few other airlines as well.
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On July 18 2014 10:17 ruffstyle89 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 09:59 sharkie wrote:On July 18 2014 09:47 Sub40APM wrote:On July 18 2014 09:44 lord_nibbler wrote:On July 18 2014 09:33 Sub40APM wrote:On July 18 2014 09:24 gruff wrote:On July 18 2014 09:06 Boblion wrote:On July 18 2014 05:45 Enzymatic wrote:
Malaysian Prime Minister in press conference:
"If it is concluded that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators be brought to justice" Yea sure. Like if they shot down the plane on purpose. Best fly route ever... really smart to fly over Urkraine atm lol. RIP. So they shouldn't bring the perpetrators to justice? Or what exactly are you implying? Also you can think what you will but it's common flight route for a lot of airlines, it's not like it's just Malaysian airlines that does it. I think he was saying that although 90% of the blame is on the guy who pressed the fire key, or whatever majority of proportion, the people who designed airline routes over conflict zones for the sake of saving fuel costs are fools and should also share a bit of the blame. Airlines still fly over Syria and sometimes Afghanistan! You would expect from anybody, who is able to operate a mobile anti-aircraft rocket unit in coordination with an advanced radar detection unit, to be able to see the difference between a military transporter and a regular civilian airliner. Yes they do, and they endanger their clients when they choose to fly over combat zones. Again, you might say that the shareholders of those companies -- who benefit from the fuel price savings -- are right in gambling on the relatively unlikely chance of a surface to air missile strike or you might say they are wrong. But it is an argument that is also worth having, is saving 50-100 dollars on a airline ticket worth a 4% chance of getting blown up by a war zone missile? Should airlines have to publish not just the cost of the tickets but also their planned route and the contingencies so an average customer can select their flights better? You do know half the cost of a ticket comes from the airport tax. Not avoiding Ukraine air space was a horrible and greedy mistake by Malaysian Air which cost 300 people their lives... That's kind of taking it a little extreme. If there was a vote yesterday about if air lines should avoid Ukraine now I doubt everyone who is making claims today that it was a horrible decision would have voted yes. This was a flight route for other flights, and up until today I don't see any reported issues with it. Most people would assume that with this type of technology and training needed to use it could tell the difference between military and civilian air crafts. Either way, tragic loss. Hopefully if any good comes from this, it's that even in war zones people need to be extra careful when using military grade weaponry. This is a tragic accident that comes with war, so I hope this doesn't cause some countries to feel they need to do something drastic.
I am not going to lie, I dont think of routes an airline takes when I buy a ticket but after this incident I actually would love to see that option. I would like to pay more if it means we fly around hot fire zones.
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Malaysia airlines really are unlucky it seems.
I hope this leads to some heavy sanctions against Russia. (if they can prove that it was a russian rocket. but it is really rather clear already I'd say given that the rebels were braging about shooting down a plane at the same time.)
what a horrible and unnecessary tragedy.
User was warned for speculation without sources
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Truly terrifying to hear so many innocent lives had to perish in a war they haven't been involved...
But why? Was there any purpose?...
No... They died because of a mistake... Some terrorist or soldier saw a plane on radar, mistook it for an enemy and ordered it to be shut down.
Does it matter who did it? No, at least not for now.
Let the families cry for their lost. Let the tears flow. Let them weep for loved ones.
But eventually the truth will be known and the "West" hopefully will finally wake up and put the obvious aggressor to ease.
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On July 18 2014 10:27 5ukkub wrote:
Truly terrifying to hear so many innocent lives had to perish in a war they haven't been involved...
But why? Was there any purpose?...
No... They died because of a mistake... Some terrorist or soldier saw a plane on radar, mistook it for an enemy and ordered it to be shut down.
Does it matter who did it? No, at least not for now.
Let the families cry for their lost. Let the tears flow. Let them weep for loved ones.
But eventually the truth will be known and the "West" hopefully will finally wake up and put the obvious aggressor to ease.
The people are already dead, there's nothing anybody can do about it anymore. The important thing to focus on is what can be done now, i.e. how to prevent such incidents from reoccurring in future. And to do so, it is imperative to identify who and what caused it.
Besides. do you really expect the "West" to impartially find and go after the aggressor of the incident? Given that they unequivocally support the Ukrainian government, I find it highly unlikely.
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No matter who fired the missile, a couple hundred westerners just died. I wonder if this means that the West is finally going to flex its military might, or if this is just something we're willing to forgive and forget. I hope no, but I think yes. Apathy is strong these days in the western world.
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On July 18 2014 09:59 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 09:47 Sub40APM wrote:On July 18 2014 09:44 lord_nibbler wrote:On July 18 2014 09:33 Sub40APM wrote:On July 18 2014 09:24 gruff wrote:On July 18 2014 09:06 Boblion wrote:On July 18 2014 05:45 Enzymatic wrote:
Malaysian Prime Minister in press conference:
"If it is concluded that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators be brought to justice" Yea sure. Like if they shot down the plane on purpose. Best fly route ever... really smart to fly over Urkraine atm lol. RIP. So they shouldn't bring the perpetrators to justice? Or what exactly are you implying? Also you can think what you will but it's common flight route for a lot of airlines, it's not like it's just Malaysian airlines that does it. I think he was saying that although 90% of the blame is on the guy who pressed the fire key, or whatever majority of proportion, the people who designed airline routes over conflict zones for the sake of saving fuel costs are fools and should also share a bit of the blame. Airlines still fly over Syria and sometimes Afghanistan! You would expect from anybody, who is able to operate a mobile anti-aircraft rocket unit in coordination with an advanced radar detection unit, to be able to see the difference between a military transporter and a regular civilian airliner. Yes they do, and they endanger their clients when they choose to fly over combat zones. Again, you might say that the shareholders of those companies -- who benefit from the fuel price savings -- are right in gambling on the relatively unlikely chance of a surface to air missile strike or you might say they are wrong. But it is an argument that is also worth having, is saving 50-100 dollars on a airline ticket worth a 4% chance of getting blown up by a war zone missile? Should airlines have to publish not just the cost of the tickets but also their planned route and the contingencies so an average customer can select their flights better? You do know half the cost of a ticket comes from the airport tax. Not avoiding Ukraine air space was a horrible and greedy mistake by Malaysian Air which cost 300 people their lives...
I am just going to cut off this speculation right here.
Malaysia Airlines confirmed that the usual flight route for the plane was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO). While the ICAO previous put out an alert about the airspace nearby, their press release also states that the loss of MH17 occurred outside of the Simferopol FIR (the potentially unsafe airspace). The Malaysian Airline jet also wasn't the only plane nearby when this happened.
Additionally, the European Cockpit Association has said that the route taken was the usual route a plane would take from Europe to South East Asia.
It is pretty hard to shoot down a passenger airline and because planes have transponders their location will be known to military forces. Airlines also generally file flight plans in advance stating what flight path they plan to take. Additionally it is not uncommon for planes to fly over what would generally be considered "hot spots" through approved flight corridors because those are just the approved routes to take. Opening up flightradar24 right now you can see a whole load of planes flying over Iraq and Afghanistan to name but a few countries.
So this is not some money grabbing conspiracy or anything. The airline followed all the rules and everything seemed fine and unfortunately a terrible terrible tragedy has happened that no one saw coming.
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Have you read the thread? The BUK system has been mentioned numerous times, and I believe it's been clarified many times that it was the weapon used.
In the thread previously, the common speculation was:
1. Ukrainian military
2. Stolen by Ukrainian rebels and used, and supposedly many of the rebels are Russia military, simply not wearing the insignia
3. Imported to Ukrainian rebels by Russia.
As far as I know, no valid news sources have mentioned anything about that yet, but there are the most common theories, whether accidental or intentional is still uncertain. I haven't been convinced that the people talking about the BUK system are educated enough about it to understand the real complexity, and how well it can differentiate friends/foes, and how difficult it is to use.
Of course other things are a possibility. It's interesting because there seems to be lots of propaganda, even in western countries, and articles/videos are being deleted left and right, so it's hard to know what really classifies as a source and what doesn't.
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On July 18 2014 08:33 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 07:29 Fuell wrote:
Friend of mine was on that plane... Unbelievable. This is what this thread is about, or should be about. All you people playing the blame game bringing the Ukraine/Russian conflict into this thread are creating a shitstorm detracting from the true tragedy. Thread's going into time out. When I unlock this, we're going to be banning people more harshly.
Of course 300 fatalities is awful. Any of us could have easily been on that plane. Looking at those passport pictures, these people seemed like educated, good people, who were absolutely innocent. Nobody on that plane was looking for trouble, and people like those are especially close to our heart, due to the fact that teamliquid is a western site with a majority of its users from Western/Central Europe as well as North America... And events like these are quite infrequent where we live.
However I can't help that an event like this could be a defining moment in this conflict, much like the Cuban Missile Crisis in the cold war. For all we know, the ramifications of this event could easily dwarf the 300 innocent dead in a shooting of a plane. And I think that's the real substance of this event, it's just problematic right now, because nobody truly has enough information to have a strong argument for either side. And well, it's just a difficult issue, because I think the US media will be biased too, and reading that the Russian get the blackbox to analyse the incident in absolutely perplexing to me, as they are the biggest or second biggest stakeholder in this situation to me.
On July 18 2014 08:10 Crushinator wrote:
The seperatists reported that they had shot down a cargo plane right when contact was lost with the civilian plane. No cargo plane is missing. It atleast SEEMS clear what happened.
I think this point is being very overlooked. Have any media sources commented on this?
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I feel very sad for Malaysian Airlines this year, especially after MH370.
This shouldn't have happened in the first place. It is extremely hard to shoot down a Passenger Airliner and the fact that that actually happened in our current date and age is just unreal. I hope this leads to some better results there in Ukraine because this is unacceptable.
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On July 18 2014 10:53 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 09:59 sharkie wrote:On July 18 2014 09:47 Sub40APM wrote:On July 18 2014 09:44 lord_nibbler wrote:On July 18 2014 09:33 Sub40APM wrote:On July 18 2014 09:24 gruff wrote:On July 18 2014 09:06 Boblion wrote:On July 18 2014 05:45 Enzymatic wrote:
Malaysian Prime Minister in press conference:
"If it is concluded that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators be brought to justice" Yea sure. Like if they shot down the plane on purpose. Best fly route ever... really smart to fly over Urkraine atm lol. RIP. So they shouldn't bring the perpetrators to justice? Or what exactly are you implying? Also you can think what you will but it's common flight route for a lot of airlines, it's not like it's just Malaysian airlines that does it. I think he was saying that although 90% of the blame is on the guy who pressed the fire key, or whatever majority of proportion, the people who designed airline routes over conflict zones for the sake of saving fuel costs are fools and should also share a bit of the blame. Airlines still fly over Syria and sometimes Afghanistan! You would expect from anybody, who is able to operate a mobile anti-aircraft rocket unit in coordination with an advanced radar detection unit, to be able to see the difference between a military transporter and a regular civilian airliner. Yes they do, and they endanger their clients when they choose to fly over combat zones. Again, you might say that the shareholders of those companies -- who benefit from the fuel price savings -- are right in gambling on the relatively unlikely chance of a surface to air missile strike or you might say they are wrong. But it is an argument that is also worth having, is saving 50-100 dollars on a airline ticket worth a 4% chance of getting blown up by a war zone missile? Should airlines have to publish not just the cost of the tickets but also their planned route and the contingencies so an average customer can select their flights better? You do know half the cost of a ticket comes from the airport tax. Not avoiding Ukraine air space was a horrible and greedy mistake by Malaysian Air which cost 300 people their lives... I am just going to cut off this speculation right here. Malaysia Airlines confirmed that the usual flight route for the plane was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO). While the ICAO previous put out an alert about the airspace nearby, their press release also states that the loss of MH17 occurred outside of the Simferopol FIR (the potentially unsafe airspace). The Malaysian Airline jet also wasn't the only plane nearby when this happened. Additionally, the European Cockpit Association has said that the route taken was the usual route a plane would take from Europe to South East Asia. It is pretty hard to shoot down a passenger airline and because planes have transponders their location will be known to military forces. Airlines also generally file flight plans in advance stating what flight path they plan to take. Additionally it is not uncommon for planes to fly over what would generally be considered "hot spots" through approved flight corridors because those are just the approved routes to take. Opening up flightradar24 right now you can see a whole load of planes flying over Iraq and Afghanistan to name but a few countries. So this is not some money grabbing conspiracy or anything. The airline followed all the rules and everything seemed fine and unfortunately a terrible terrible tragedy has happened that no one saw coming.
So either someone was very, very stupid (as in, rebels mistaking a civilian Boeing 777 for a military An-26 stupid) or someone was very, very evil (as in, Ukrainian military killing hundreds of people to get some of dat NATO firepower evil).
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On July 18 2014 10:53 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 09:59 sharkie wrote:On July 18 2014 09:47 Sub40APM wrote:On July 18 2014 09:44 lord_nibbler wrote:On July 18 2014 09:33 Sub40APM wrote:On July 18 2014 09:24 gruff wrote:On July 18 2014 09:06 Boblion wrote:On July 18 2014 05:45 Enzymatic wrote:
Malaysian Prime Minister in press conference:
"If it is concluded that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators be brought to justice" Yea sure. Like if they shot down the plane on purpose. Best fly route ever... really smart to fly over Urkraine atm lol. RIP. So they shouldn't bring the perpetrators to justice? Or what exactly are you implying? Also you can think what you will but it's common flight route for a lot of airlines, it's not like it's just Malaysian airlines that does it. I think he was saying that although 90% of the blame is on the guy who pressed the fire key, or whatever majority of proportion, the people who designed airline routes over conflict zones for the sake of saving fuel costs are fools and should also share a bit of the blame. Airlines still fly over Syria and sometimes Afghanistan! You would expect from anybody, who is able to operate a mobile anti-aircraft rocket unit in coordination with an advanced radar detection unit, to be able to see the difference between a military transporter and a regular civilian airliner. Yes they do, and they endanger their clients when they choose to fly over combat zones. Again, you might say that the shareholders of those companies -- who benefit from the fuel price savings -- are right in gambling on the relatively unlikely chance of a surface to air missile strike or you might say they are wrong. But it is an argument that is also worth having, is saving 50-100 dollars on a airline ticket worth a 4% chance of getting blown up by a war zone missile? Should airlines have to publish not just the cost of the tickets but also their planned route and the contingencies so an average customer can select their flights better? You do know half the cost of a ticket comes from the airport tax. Not avoiding Ukraine air space was a horrible and greedy mistake by Malaysian Air which cost 300 people their lives... I am just going to cut off this speculation right here. Malaysia Airlines confirmed that the usual flight route for the plane was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO). While the ICAO previous put out an alert about the airspace nearby, their press release also states that the loss of MH17 occurred outside of the Simferopol FIR (the potentially unsafe airspace). The Malaysian Airline jet also wasn't the only plane nearby when this happened. Additionally, the European Cockpit Association has said that the route taken was the usual route a plane would take from Europe to South East Asia. It is pretty hard to shoot down a passenger airline and because planes have transponders their location will be known to military forces. Airlines also generally file flight plans in advance stating what flight path they plan to take. Additionally it is not uncommon for planes to fly over what would generally be considered "hot spots" through approved flight corridors because those are just the approved routes to take. Opening up flightradar24 right now you can see a whole load of planes flying over Iraq and Afghanistan to name but a few countries. So this is not some money grabbing conspiracy or anything. The airline followed all the rules and everything seemed fine and unfortunately a terrible terrible tragedy has happened that no one saw coming.
From Guardian:
Eurocontrol said Ukrainian authorities had barred aircraft from ground level to 32,000 feet but the doomed aircraft was cruising at 33,000 feet, still within range of sophisticated ground-to-air weaponry, when it was hit. All flights in eastern Ukraine have now been barred from the area, Eurocontrol added.
"The aircraft was flying at Flight Level 330 [approximately 10,000 metres/33,000 ft] when it disappeared from the radar," said. "This route had been closed by the Ukrainian authorities from ground to flight level 320 [32,000ft] but was open at the level at which the aircraft was flying."
So they were technically following the rules, but still, they could probably have flown a bit higher as they were only just barely above the no fly zone over the "hotspot".
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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/deleted-posts-suggest/1270262.html
Social media posts by pro-Russian insurgents -- most of them hastily removed -- suggest the rebels thought they had shot down a Ukrainian army plane before realising in horror that it was in fact a packed Malaysian airliner.
Russia's state media avoided any mention of the controversial posts and instead reported militia leaders' later charges that the Ukrainian air force had shot down the Boeing 777 liner instead.
Another recording shows one alleged fighter reporting from the site of the plane's remains that it was "100 per cent certain this is a civilian aircraft." He spits out a Russian expletive when asked whether there were a lot of passengers on board.
The VK post was soon removed -- but not before its screen grab was captured and distributed in an English-language press release by the military headquarters of Kiev's eastern campaign
A message on the official Twitter account of the Donetsk People's Republic had announced hours earlier that insurgents had seized a series of Russian-made Buk systems capable of soaring to that height. That tweet was later deleted as well.
Both separatist leaders and Russian defence officials also took pains to implicate Poroshenko's forces and erase all memories of the insurgents' initial pronouncements about downing a Ukrainian transport plane.
Rebel Donetsk prime minister Oleksandr Borodai told Russian media that his units did not have equipment capable of reaching the cruising altitude of a Boeing.
Borodai said it was "technically impossible" for the pro-Russian gunmen to have launched such a high-altitude strike, and the Russian defence ministry argued that it was far more likely for the Ukrainian military to have fired the Buk missile.
Lot's of cover up going on, a lot of work is being done to try and make people forget that the separatists have weapons capable of hitting a aircraft. I am leaning towards a coverup. You cant just remove things from the internet, the fact that their even trying just stinks of a coverup and admission of guilt by itself.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On July 18 2014 11:12 Pangpootata wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 10:53 MoonBear wrote:On July 18 2014 09:59 sharkie wrote:On July 18 2014 09:47 Sub40APM wrote:On July 18 2014 09:44 lord_nibbler wrote:On July 18 2014 09:33 Sub40APM wrote:On July 18 2014 09:24 gruff wrote:On July 18 2014 09:06 Boblion wrote:On July 18 2014 05:45 Enzymatic wrote:
Malaysian Prime Minister in press conference:
"If it is concluded that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators be brought to justice" Yea sure. Like if they shot down the plane on purpose. Best fly route ever... really smart to fly over Urkraine atm lol. RIP. So they shouldn't bring the perpetrators to justice? Or what exactly are you implying? Also you can think what you will but it's common flight route for a lot of airlines, it's not like it's just Malaysian airlines that does it. I think he was saying that although 90% of the blame is on the guy who pressed the fire key, or whatever majority of proportion, the people who designed airline routes over conflict zones for the sake of saving fuel costs are fools and should also share a bit of the blame. Airlines still fly over Syria and sometimes Afghanistan! You would expect from anybody, who is able to operate a mobile anti-aircraft rocket unit in coordination with an advanced radar detection unit, to be able to see the difference between a military transporter and a regular civilian airliner. Yes they do, and they endanger their clients when they choose to fly over combat zones. Again, you might say that the shareholders of those companies -- who benefit from the fuel price savings -- are right in gambling on the relatively unlikely chance of a surface to air missile strike or you might say they are wrong. But it is an argument that is also worth having, is saving 50-100 dollars on a airline ticket worth a 4% chance of getting blown up by a war zone missile? Should airlines have to publish not just the cost of the tickets but also their planned route and the contingencies so an average customer can select their flights better? You do know half the cost of a ticket comes from the airport tax. Not avoiding Ukraine air space was a horrible and greedy mistake by Malaysian Air which cost 300 people their lives... I am just going to cut off this speculation right here. Malaysia Airlines confirmed that the usual flight route for the plane was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO). While the ICAO previous put out an alert about the airspace nearby, their press release also states that the loss of MH17 occurred outside of the Simferopol FIR (the potentially unsafe airspace). The Malaysian Airline jet also wasn't the only plane nearby when this happened. Additionally, the European Cockpit Association has said that the route taken was the usual route a plane would take from Europe to South East Asia. It is pretty hard to shoot down a passenger airline and because planes have transponders their location will be known to military forces. Airlines also generally file flight plans in advance stating what flight path they plan to take. Additionally it is not uncommon for planes to fly over what would generally be considered "hot spots" through approved flight corridors because those are just the approved routes to take. Opening up flightradar24 right now you can see a whole load of planes flying over Iraq and Afghanistan to name but a few countries. So this is not some money grabbing conspiracy or anything. The airline followed all the rules and everything seemed fine and unfortunately a terrible terrible tragedy has happened that no one saw coming. From Guardian: Show nested quote +Eurocontrol said Ukrainian authorities had barred aircraft from ground level to 32,000 feet but the doomed aircraft was cruising at 33,000 feet, still within range of sophisticated ground-to-air weaponry, when it was hit. All flights in eastern Ukraine have now been barred from the area, Eurocontrol added.
"The aircraft was flying at Flight Level 330 [approximately 10,000 metres/33,000 ft] when it disappeared from the radar," said. "This route had been closed by the Ukrainian authorities from ground to flight level 320 [32,000ft] but was open at the level at which the aircraft was flying." So they were technically following the rules, but still, they could probably have flown a bit higher as they were only just barely above the no fly zone over the "hotspot".
And that's what makes it so tragic. At the time, Malaysia Airlines followed all the advice and did everything the experts and authorities told them to like flying above the recommended flight level and staying out of the designated unsafe zones but none of it helped.
A lot of the speculation currently suggests a BUK missile being the cause of the crash. A quick check on Wikipedia says this thing can hit targets 25 km or over 81,000 ft in the air. At this point flying higher wouldn't have helped and none of the authorities had any reason to suspect that such drastic restrictions were necessary. It's what I find so heartbreaking about the story. The airline, the pilots, the passengers, none of them really did anything wrong and followed all the recommendations but in the end none of it really mattered. And if it wasn't this plane, maybe a different passenger plane might have gotten hit instead. No one really saw something like this coming.
Hopefully we can learn something from this so maybe in the future we can avoid a tragedy like this happening again.
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Really horrible for those who lost friends/family on the flight.
As for who did it, who know when we'll find out. Unlike terrorist groups out of the Middle East, these guys aren't going to come out and admit/brag so it could be awhile though not impossible to find out. I'd put money on the separatists, though of course I have no proof.
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I just hope we (I live in the US) don't get involved in this. Our economy is already broken many times over.
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On July 18 2014 11:31 hp.Shell wrote:
I just hope we (I live in the US) don't get involved in this. Our economy is already broken many times over.
It's a Boeing Plane, US will be involved if we want to or not because it's a US made plane. Boeing has an obligation along with finding out what happened and why it was shot down in the first place.
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