EPTi mean this is still a thread in a forum, meant for discussion and gathering information. what's the use of a "memorial thread" (if you will), with everyone just expressing their condolences? correct me if i'm wrong, but those are the main two things i could see happening online. what else is there to do for us?
Malaysian airliner shot down over Eastern Ukraine - Page 27
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qotsager
Germany585 Posts
i mean this is still a thread in a forum, meant for discussion and gathering information. what's the use of a "memorial thread" (if you will), with everyone just expressing their condolences? correct me if i'm wrong, but those are the main two things i could see happening online. what else is there to do for us? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 18 2014 07:29 Fuell wrote: Friend of mine was on that plane... Unbelievable. This is what this thread is about, or should be about. All you people playing the blame game bringing the Ukraine/Russian conflict into this thread are creating a shitstorm detracting from the true tragedy. Thread's going into time out. When I unlock this, we're going to be banning people more harshly. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On July 18 2014 05:45 Enzymatic wrote: Malaysian Prime Minister in press conference: "If it is concluded that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators be brought to justice" Yea sure. Like if they shot down the plane on purpose. Best fly route ever... really smart to fly over Urkraine atm lol. RIP. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
![[image loading]](http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/18/1405639249929/511e4557-479c-471d-9fd8-e1613ca4c21b-460x276.jpeg) Self-proclaimed Prime Minister of the pro-Russian separatist "Donetsk People's Republic" Alexander Borodai (C) stands as he arrives on the site of the crash of a malaysian airliner carrying 298 people from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, near the town of Shaktarsk, in rebel-held east Ukraine. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/malaysia-airlines-plane-crashes-ukraine-live | ||
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diLLa
Netherlands247 Posts
On July 18 2014 08:33 Plexa wrote: This is what this thread is about, or should be about. All you people playing the blame game bringing the Ukraine/Russian conflict into this thread are creating a shitstorm detracting from the true tragedy. Thread's going into time out. When I unlock this, we're going to be banning people more harshly. I'm not sure how you can discuss this tragedy without mentioning the Ukraine/Russian conflict, as this is directly related to the conflict. I agree that the blame game doesn't do good without knowing the actual facts, but that it is related to the whole conflict seems pretty obvious and knowing who did it is quite relevant aswell. I feel sorry for the guy earlier in this thread who lost his friend, one of the worst ways to lose a friend. User was warned for not reading the mod note | ||
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Canada11607 Posts
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
At first i thought is another plane by MH in trouble, end up it was shot down. I just saw the news. How the hell do you down a commerical airline by mistake, mistaking it for a military transport plane! I want to express my condolences to the families who suffered a great loss. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On July 18 2014 09:06 Boblion wrote: Yea sure. Like if they shot down the plane on purpose. Best fly route ever... really smart to fly over Urkraine atm lol. RIP. So they shouldn't bring the perpetrators to justice? Or what exactly are you implying? Also you can think what you will but it's common flight route for a lot of airlines, it's not like it's just Malaysian airlines that does it. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On July 18 2014 09:24 gruff wrote: So they shouldn't bring the perpetrators to justice? Or what exactly are you implying? Also you can think what you will but it's common flight route for a lot of airlines, it's not like it's just Malaysian airlines that does it. I think he was saying that although 90% of the blame is on the guy who pressed the fire key, or whatever majority of proportion, the people who designed airline routes over conflict zones for the sake of saving fuel costs are fools and should also share a bit of the blame. And any other airline that is choosing to fly over the area is also endangering its clients. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On July 18 2014 09:24 gruff wrote: So they shouldn't bring the perpetrators to justice? Or what exactly are you implying? Also you can think what you will but it's common flight route for a lot of airlines, it's not like it's just Malaysian airlines that does it. We had the same kind of argument some years ago on TL when an American pilot murdered some civilians in Iraq because he thought he was dealing with "insurgents". Guess what, he is still free. It was a mistake not intentional. It's a war, things like that can happen =/ Btw the Urkrainian Army is using jets on a daily basis to bomb the rebels fyk. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
On July 18 2014 07:29 Fuell wrote: Friend of mine was on that plane... Unbelievable. Sorry man. | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
On July 18 2014 09:33 Sub40APM wrote: I think he was saying that although 90% of the blame is on the guy who pressed the fire key, or whatever majority of proportion, the people who designed airline routes over conflict zones for the sake of saving fuel costs are fools and should also share a bit of the blame. Airlines still fly over Syria and sometimes Afghanistan! You would expect from anybody, who is able to operate a mobile anti-aircraft rocket unit in coordination with an advanced radar detection unit, to be able to see the difference between a military transporter and a regular civilian airliner. | ||
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Hazzyboy
Estonia555 Posts
After today's tragedy the air space over Ukraine is changed. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxGBpjCYAEfTGm.jpg:large) Look at Syria - no commercial flying route there what so ever. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On July 18 2014 09:44 lord_nibbler wrote: Airlines still fly over Syria and sometimes Afghanistan! You would expect from anybody, who is able to operate a mobile anti-aircraft rocket unit in coordination with an advanced radar detection unit, to be able to see the difference between a military transporter and a regular civilian airliner. Yea like the "Iranian F-14" ... | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On July 18 2014 09:44 lord_nibbler wrote: Airlines still fly over Syria and sometimes Afghanistan! You would expect from anybody, who is able to operate a mobile anti-aircraft rocket unit in coordination with an advanced radar detection unit, to be able to see the difference between a military transporter and a regular civilian airliner. Yes they do, and they endanger their clients when they choose to fly over combat zones. Again, you might say that the shareholders of those companies -- who benefit from the fuel price savings -- are right in gambling on the relatively unlikely chance of a surface to air missile strike or you might say they are wrong. But it is an argument that is also worth having, is saving 50-100 dollars on a airline ticket worth a 4% chance of getting blown up by a war zone missile? Should airlines have to publish not just the cost of the tickets but also their planned route and the contingencies so an average customer can select their flights better? | ||
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Hazzyboy
Estonia555 Posts
On July 18 2014 09:47 Sub40APM wrote: Again, you might say that the shareholders of those companies -- who benefit from the fuel price savings -- are right in gambling on the relatively unlikely chance of a surface to air missile strike or you might say they are wrong. But it is an argument that is also worth having, is saving 50-100 dollars on a airline ticket worth a 4% chance of getting blown up by a war zone missile? Should airlines have to publish not just the cost of the tickets but also their planned route and the contingencies so an average customer can select their flights better? Good point and I assume most customers would change their mind IF they find out the route. I personally have no idea over the route - fly often from UK to Estonia and notice they change the route depending on traffic or timing (if late choose shorter if on time chose normal). Point is that you may find out the fly route but it could be changed last minute by airline. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18770 Posts
On July 18 2014 09:47 Sub40APM wrote: Yes they do, and they endanger their clients when they choose to fly over combat zones. Again, you might say that the shareholders of those companies -- who benefit from the fuel price savings -- are right in gambling on the relatively unlikely chance of a surface to air missile strike or you might say they are wrong. But it is an argument that is also worth having, is saving 50-100 dollars on a airline ticket worth a 4% chance of getting blown up by a war zone missile? Should airlines have to publish not just the cost of the tickets but also their planned route and the contingencies so an average customer can select their flights better? You do know half the cost of a ticket comes from the airport tax. Not avoiding Ukraine air space was a horrible and greedy mistake by Malaysian Air which cost 300 people their lives... | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
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