• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:24
CEST 12:24
KST 19:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202558RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 What tournaments are world championships? RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
[Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign Ginuda's JaeDong Interview Series BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? [G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Post Pic of your Favorite Food! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 807 users

Rob Pardo Leaves Blizzard Entertainment - Page 6

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next All
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
July 05 2014 13:25 GMT
#101
On July 05 2014 21:37 sumsaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 17:49 paralleluniverse wrote:
Heroes of the Storm fixes the many fundamental game design mistakes in Dota 2.

I'm trying sooooooooo hard not to get baited by this. :|

Why are you trying? That guy is either trolling or don't have a clue what he is talking about.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
weikor
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria580 Posts
July 05 2014 13:34 GMT
#102
Ive never heard of the guy, but i found this quite interesting
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 05 2014 13:52 GMT
#103
On July 05 2014 21:28 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2014 12:04 Plansix wrote:
On July 05 2014 12:02 BoX wrote:
On July 05 2014 11:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i do not think much speculation is required to figure out why Pardo is leaving.
He pretty much says it right in his good bye message.

he is bored of WoW after so many years
he is tired of working on the large teams required by AAA development.
and these teams get larger each year and each person in the team gets more and more specialized.

he'll tell any one who'll listen that he loved the time he got to work on Hearthstone.

all the heavy lifting for Hearthstone is over

Pardo doesn't want to go back to managing and co ordinating multiple teams of 100s of people where he never gets to put his own finger prints on the nuts and bolts of the game in development.

he has alluded to all of these issues in previous interviews over the past year without ever expressing anger or dissatisfaction with his job. which is smart PR on his part. obviously, Pardo is very media savvy.

one thing is crystal clear: he no longer experiences the same ultra high level of job satisfaction that he did in his first few years at Blizzard.


In the same way we haven't experienced that level of ultra high user satisfaction as players of Blizzard games. Weird correlation.

Just you and some other other folks on the internet. Everyone I know likes the blizzard games.

That's what he said, people like Blizzard games. All games before starcraft 2 were "omagad, game breaking, too good, can't believe this game is real!" stuff. Blizzard on a game was enough to make it a must buy for many people. they're not as good as they used to be.

I know, things are not a good as they used to be. The movies are not as good, the sci fi is not the good stuff from our youth. The Blizzard games have been drained of the magic by a cynical internet and old age. Damn kids and their stupid dog.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 05 2014 14:10 GMT
#104
On July 05 2014 11:59 Plansix wrote:
Guy is moving on to smaller teams and smaller projects. It's the era of small teams again and with game like bastion, sometimes always monsters and hyper light drifter, the man is seeking to do new things and make smaller games.

We should all be pumped for what he is going to do.


I definitely some of the bigger devs like Activision and EA aren't as good as they should be. Some of the indie games you get from smaller game devs (I'm thinking of Transistor for example) seem to be way more polished than the big titles with lots of bugs in them. Some of the smaller devs are baring their teeth with some really well designed and well polished games.
maru lover forever
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
July 05 2014 14:11 GMT
#105
Here's a what if:

Valve gets him and he's partnered up with IceFrog? They pretty much have the competitive FPS and MOBA scenes covered already, if they can make a true successor to SC:BW...
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 14:37:56
July 05 2014 14:37 GMT
#106
On July 05 2014 22:52 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2014 21:28 nojok wrote:
On July 05 2014 12:04 Plansix wrote:
On July 05 2014 12:02 BoX wrote:
On July 05 2014 11:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i do not think much speculation is required to figure out why Pardo is leaving.
He pretty much says it right in his good bye message.

he is bored of WoW after so many years
he is tired of working on the large teams required by AAA development.
and these teams get larger each year and each person in the team gets more and more specialized.

he'll tell any one who'll listen that he loved the time he got to work on Hearthstone.

all the heavy lifting for Hearthstone is over

Pardo doesn't want to go back to managing and co ordinating multiple teams of 100s of people where he never gets to put his own finger prints on the nuts and bolts of the game in development.

he has alluded to all of these issues in previous interviews over the past year without ever expressing anger or dissatisfaction with his job. which is smart PR on his part. obviously, Pardo is very media savvy.

one thing is crystal clear: he no longer experiences the same ultra high level of job satisfaction that he did in his first few years at Blizzard.


In the same way we haven't experienced that level of ultra high user satisfaction as players of Blizzard games. Weird correlation.

Just you and some other other folks on the internet. Everyone I know likes the blizzard games.

That's what he said, people like Blizzard games. All games before starcraft 2 were "omagad, game breaking, too good, can't believe this game is real!" stuff. Blizzard on a game was enough to make it a must buy for many people. they're not as good as they used to be.

I know, things are not a good as they used to be. The movies are not as good, the sci fi is not the good stuff from our youth. The Blizzard games have been drained of the magic by a cynical internet and old age. Damn kids and their stupid dog.


It has nothing to do with age. Games are getting easier and dumber which is why Dota 2 is such an amazing game; it's the same as Dota 1 which was made when games were still good.
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 14:37:48
July 05 2014 14:37 GMT
#107
nvm
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 14:46:26
July 05 2014 14:38 GMT
#108
On July 05 2014 23:11 Ciryandor wrote:
Here's a what if:

Valve gets him and he's partnered up with IceFrog? They pretty much have the competitive FPS and MOBA scenes covered already, if they can make a true successor to SC:BW...

If valve were to ever make a full single/multi player RTS (with Rob) it would be more Warcraft than Starcraft. With all the experience they have with DOTA, building an RTS is practically the same thing.

I mean, Valve already have things like hero's and an RTS engine. Just put in buildings that can make units and they are good to go, hell I would buy it even without a single player campaign. Practically the same game as dota, its free money Valve, hire Rob
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 05 2014 14:47 GMT
#109
On July 05 2014 23:38 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2014 23:11 Ciryandor wrote:
Here's a what if:

Valve gets him and he's partnered up with IceFrog? They pretty much have the competitive FPS and MOBA scenes covered already, if they can make a true successor to SC:BW...

If valve were to ever make a full single/multi player RTS (with Rob) it would be more Warcraft than Starcraft. With all the experience they have with DOTA, building an RTS is practically the same thing.

I mean, Valve already have things like hero's and an RTS engine. Just put in buildings that can make units and they are good to go, hell I would buy it even without a single player campaign. Practically the same game as dota, its free money Valve, hire Rob


Balacing a RTS is much harder than a MOBA.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
July 05 2014 14:51 GMT
#110
i hope Pardo goes to Carbine Games.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 15:09:00
July 05 2014 14:56 GMT
#111
On July 05 2014 23:47 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2014 23:38 zeo wrote:
On July 05 2014 23:11 Ciryandor wrote:
Here's a what if:

Valve gets him and he's partnered up with IceFrog? They pretty much have the competitive FPS and MOBA scenes covered already, if they can make a true successor to SC:BW...

If valve were to ever make a full single/multi player RTS (with Rob) it would be more Warcraft than Starcraft. With all the experience they have with DOTA, building an RTS is practically the same thing.

I mean, Valve already have things like hero's and an RTS engine. Just put in buildings that can make units and they are good to go, hell I would buy it even without a single player campaign. Practically the same game as dota, its free money Valve, hire Rob


Balacing a RTS is much harder than a MOBA.

Nah, the important part of any game is core gameplay. If the core game is well designed and is something people enjoy playing then changing some numbers is the easy part. Thats why people like Pardo are important, and hypothetically speaking if Valve were to make an RTS having people that know what makes a genre good (Icefrog for DOTA) is the absolute priority.

And it doesn't even have to be Valve, any big company that looks at the market now and says 'well it looks like a good time for a warcraft RTS clone' would only have to come up to Rob and a few other former Blizzard employees and say 'look here is a pile of cash, make me a game that anyone who likes war3 will drool over'. I can guaranty you that anyone that has ever played war3 (many many millions) will hype the fucking shit out of its 'spiritual successor'
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 16:33:37
July 05 2014 15:02 GMT
#112
He did great things once.
But if he was the guy responsible for Battle.net 0.2 and Diablo 3 auction house I'm not so interested in what he's going to do next

edit: diablo3
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 15:09:55
July 05 2014 15:07 GMT
#113
On July 06 2014 00:02 Zandar wrote:
He did great things once.
But if he was the guy responsible for Battle.net 0.2 and Diablo 2 auction house I'm not so interested in what he's going to do next


there was a diablo 2 auction house?
i don't recall that.

you should check out the infrastructure around C&C and CoH and then you'll see that Battle.Net from 1998 to 2014 has been really good.

did Pardo make a few mistakes amongst the hundreds of things he created ... sure he did.
i'll put up with those mistakes given all the great stuff he has been a part of.

if you never make a mistake then you are not trying to stretch any boundaries.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
July 05 2014 15:51 GMT
#114
Of course he made mistakes. It's game design, it's not easy.

Still... WC3 was pure genius. For that, he has my eternal respect. Also, yes, it would be kickass if he did make another RTS. We'll see what happens though. I would definitely love it if we could have a successor to WC3...
I like words.
Jevity
Profile Joined August 2012
United States67 Posts
July 05 2014 16:15 GMT
#115
Valve should hire him to create a WC3 spiritual successor with their current dota spectating features
Shame is a silly emotion. Don't succumb to it. - Artosis
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
July 05 2014 16:33 GMT
#116
That's wishful thinking though. No way Valve is going to hire him and make an RTS. It would be a direct concurrent to Dota. Makes little sense on a business standpoint.
I like words.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
July 05 2014 16:34 GMT
#117
On July 06 2014 00:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2014 00:02 Zandar wrote:
He did great things once.
But if he was the guy responsible for Battle.net 0.2 and Diablo 2 auction house I'm not so interested in what he's going to do next


there was a diablo 2 auction house?
i don't recall that.

.


oops fixed. diablo 3 obviously
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
July 05 2014 16:37 GMT
#118
Blizzard is a very different company now.
The heart's eternal vow
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
July 05 2014 16:47 GMT
#119
On July 06 2014 01:37 PVJ wrote:
Blizzard is a very different company now.


The use of word "different" instead of a honest opinion.

TL's enforcement of political correctness makes me less and less interested in visiting this website. "Hey, you are not allowed to post negative stuff we don't agree with!"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
July 05 2014 17:02 GMT
#120
nothing wrong with saying "different".. it fits...

making a AAA level game in 2014 is completely different from any form of game development that occurred in the 1990s at Blizzard.

on the Activision side...
what Bob Whitehead, Allan Miller and David Crane did to start Activision.... is in a completely different world than what is done now at Activision to make games.

you can't really compare Pitfall to Skylanders... 2 different worlds.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech89
Nina 79
Hui .75
BRAT_OK 51
StarCraft: Brood War
Nal_rA 3023
Shuttle 1529
Larva 534
BeSt 528
actioN 309
ToSsGirL 226
EffOrt 156
TY 138
ggaemo 125
JulyZerg 117
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 106
Soma 96
Backho 84
sorry 80
Snow 80
ZerO 77
Sharp 25
sSak 24
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
Dota 2
XaKoH 581
XcaliburYe248
Counter-Strike
allub204
Other Games
singsing1477
ceh9647
Beastyqt464
Fuzer 179
ArmadaUGS70
QueenE17
ZerO(Twitch)9
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 52
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV257
League of Legends
• Stunt722
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
36m
Serral vs Cure
Solar vs Classic
OSC
3h 36m
CranKy Ducklings
23h 36m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 3h
CSO Cup
1d 5h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 7h
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
1d 22h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.