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jca
Profile Joined April 2003
France273 Posts
June 08 2003 08:23 GMT
#41
The replay file format for Warcraft III is far more complex than the BW one. Which means it takes time to figure out all the subtleties. I think i'm getting there for the overall structure in version 1.00C, but yes, take those numbers with care.
http://www.bwchart.com
Honk2000
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany698 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 08:40:42
June 08 2003 08:40 GMT
#42
WTF?
how can wc3 player have 300APM?
there must be a bug, check pls jca -_-
S(O)ME(O)NE
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada473 Posts
June 08 2003 08:58 GMT
#43
Mine for War 3 is 50 APM. for BW im from 80-100
halpmeh
Profile Joined October 2002
United States333 Posts
June 08 2003 09:48 GMT
#44
that seems absolutely ridiculous (300 apm)

i can eat chips and salsa while playing war3 at a top level =[

80-100 apm is MORE than enough to do everythign possible in war3...

-angel
halp meh halp yuo
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 10:04:58
June 08 2003 10:04 GMT
#45
anything above 150ish in war3 is not correct i think.

with double click to select all similar buildings, and right click to simply rally on hero, its just alot less clicking to do.

also autocast, large unit hp, and slow speed means war3 has alot less clicking than bw.
Macrophage
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany730 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 10:48:11
June 08 2003 10:47 GMT
#46
do you seriously think 300 apm is all macro and micro in bw? No, its also a lot of setting rally points again and again, hotkeys etc. The same for wc3.
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5456 Posts
June 08 2003 10:53 GMT
#47
War3 should (obviously) have a lot lower since you don't need to constantly manage your base =/

And like being able to group buildings in one hotkey, rally workers to lumber/gold, rally directly to heroes etc.

Rageth
Profile Joined June 2003
United States7 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 11:58:01
June 08 2003 11:49 GMT
#48
Wow, someone actually took my suggestion and used it. That's a first. Here is a list of players in war3.

Anyppi.WeRRa( we all know who that is I hope...): 199apm
SoL.Cafone.wS( Gosu Italian player, In BW and wc3): 168apm
DayFly[Pooh](Really good Korean player, won some leagues): 268apm
aNc.Delicato(We all know who this is=)): 122apm
4K.DIDI8( We know who this is too=)): 276apm
SK.Insomnia(aka [o]Mr.X and eSu.Mr.X): 190apm
eSu.Soul(aka (orky)~Soul~ and Soul[pG] in BW): 179apm
ElkY(ya we know who this is): 169apm
ShowTime.WeRRa(#1 War3 player at this moment): 204apm
a-L.GeNThO(aka TrulyPieux in BW): 82apm(taken from short replay)
4K.Zeus(aka esu.zeus[19] and SG-Zeus in BW): 130apm(from short replay)
4K.Kiko(aka [o]Tris in BW in the old days): 106apm
esu.Four20(aka [BG]KurMur in BW days): 254apm
eSu.NitemarE(gosu Swedish UD player): 255apm
eSu.Ranger(aka (orky)Ranger and Ranger[pG]): 105apm
Star.WeRRa(Really good Korean UD user): 261apm
IceCastle.WeRRa(Really good Korean NE user): 265apm
SK.MaD)Q(FroG(aka eSu.MaDFroG in BW): 160apm
aT-BIatty(Really good French UD User): 159apm
FiSheYe[pG]( Yes he plays war3 now=)): 102apm

Well there's the list of some of the better known War3 players by both BW and war3 community. Forgot some but It would take a long ass time to get them all.
Here's a list that I think are probably interesting to see that I didn't look up(I did not put clan tags in because you will have an easier time looking for them without tags)
HeMaN
Lituch
Kaj
Krazikatt
Thagor
Socke
Wicked/WickedGame/Kalaschni
LeoLaporte
Rooks
Skelton/Forever[SAINT]
Bei
Wolf.CsT
TeG-Dreamboy
Kovax
StarGlenn
SaFT

PS::1.02 replays and older do not work with wc3chart. They make it crash.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 11:54:11
June 08 2003 11:52 GMT
#49
On June 08 2003 19:47 Macrophage wrote:
do you seriously think 300 apm is all macro and micro in bw? No, its also a lot of setting rally points again and again, hotkeys etc. The same for wc3.

Elky does enough in War3 with 120-160 and lacks time at BW with 180
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mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
June 08 2003 11:54 GMT
#50
rageth, u wasted your time
wc3chart numbers are probably not correct as JCA said
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
Rageth
Profile Joined June 2003
United States7 Posts
June 08 2003 11:55 GMT
#51
On June 08 2003 20:54 mindspike wrote:
rageth, u wasted your time
wc3chart numbers are probably not correct as JCA said


only replays from 1.03 and older are not correct, I tested it, what many of you people dont realize, 1 battle in war3 could be well over 500actions by one player. Add that together with numerous battles, creeping, and the little building you do, and your APM is just like BWs.
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 13:04:51
June 08 2003 12:32 GMT
#52
id say its around 20-30% less actions
it has to do mostly with the unit cap
you will never have 6 groups of marines and medics like in bw
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
Rageth
Profile Joined June 2003
United States7 Posts
June 08 2003 12:40 GMT
#53
They are not the same game, they are not the same play, the only thing they have in common are they are made by Blizzard, and are both RTS, it is much easier to control 6 groups of marines and medics, than it is to switch between 2-3 heroes cast magic and use items + micro those heroes, switch to casters and disable/enable autocast or cast spells that aren't autocastable, and micro your units.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 12:42:37
June 08 2003 12:42 GMT
#54
Hm, 6 groups of marines take quite a lot of attention/clicking--;


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halpmeh
Profile Joined October 2002
United States333 Posts
June 08 2003 12:46 GMT
#55
lol rageth you are crazy

battles with 500 actions even on BOTH sides is laughable

the koreans are just randomly clicking around the map or toggling thru 2-3 ctrl groups constantly...

completely unnecessary actions just like all the nonsense clicking early whiel making scvs in bw...they do these same things in war3 with setting the town hall rally point for lumber mining...probably 20+% of the clicks in the game come from rally pt setting...i can say this from experience...
halp meh halp yuo
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 13:03:43
June 08 2003 13:02 GMT
#56
On June 08 2003 21:46 halpmeh wrote:
lol rageth you are crazy

battles with 500 actions even on BOTH sides is laughable

the koreans are just randomly clicking around the map or toggling thru 2-3 ctrl groups constantly...

completely unnecessary actions just like all the nonsense clicking early whiel making scvs in bw...they do these same things in war3 with setting the town hall rally point for lumber mining...probably 20+% of the clicks in the game come from rally pt setting...i can say this from experience...


i agree rageth is crazy
but 20% is high as well
you can easily see this with bwchart
rally point setting is about 2-10% of actions
usually its 5%

more of the useless clicking is from repeatedly pressing move to the same spot when 1 move action wouldve sufficed
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
Rageth
Profile Joined June 2003
United States7 Posts
June 08 2003 13:09 GMT
#57
Well I dont think they reach 5000-6000 actions in a 30 minute game by setting rally points and hitting "G" to build a grunt or something over and over.
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 13:15:31
June 08 2003 13:13 GMT
#58
rageth, war3 is like playing starcraft on fast
blizzard meant it to be that way
they wanted sc to be played at fast too
thats why ladder is on fast speed

and as a i said, that as well as the unit cap equates to about a 20-30% difference in actions
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
June 08 2003 14:21 GMT
#59
On June 08 2003 19:47 Macrophage wrote:
do you seriously think 300 apm is all macro and micro in bw? No, its also a lot of setting rally points again and again, hotkeys etc. The same for wc3.


you dont have to set rally over with war3, its 1 right click and its done for the game. unless your rallied hero dies in which you simply right click on him again..

in bw you have to constantly change ur hotkeys depending on where the battle is, also you cant rally to minerals or gas, with war3 you can.

not to mention the most peons any war3 player will have is around the 20's (3 expo = 12-15 peons + 7-8 wood = 20 in general)

in bw the peon count alone is like 40-60.

like i said, i think 150+ apm for any war3 replay is not correct, unless the player rallied 40000 times on their hero, mine, and trees for no reason at all.
DV8
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1623 Posts
June 08 2003 14:39 GMT
#60
On June 08 2003 22:09 Rageth wrote:
Well I dont think they reach 5000-6000 actions in a 30 minute game by setting rally points and hitting "G" to build a grunt or something over and over.
actually they do, BTW I can hit 300 apm in war3 easier than I can in BW, because in all honesty I dont have much to do in war3 so I can sit and just scroll through my keyed units adding pointless actions.
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