EPTIt's still a very early prototype (started this morning) and tested on very few replays. So, if you have replays that crash it, please email them at bwchart@noos.fr. Thx.
w3chart: apm for warcraft III
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jca
France273 Posts
It's still a very early prototype (started this morning) and tested on very few replays. So, if you have replays that crash it, please email them at bwchart@noos.fr. Thx. | ||
vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
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mindspike
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Zzang
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DevAzTaYtA
Oman2005 Posts
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DevAzTaYtA
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Zzang
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
i believe it only shows the player who saved the replay itd be cool if you could mark the player who saved the replay | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On June 07 2003 20:21 Zzang wrote: hmm weird it only shows APM for one player, not both it shows all players in custom games | ||
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RaiZ
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ImaGe
Netherlands233 Posts
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Frits
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bASesinAtOR
Bhutan1295 Posts
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
lots of other people that r better. | ||
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Frits
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On June 07 2003 22:44 ShAsTa wrote: tiller isn't _that_ good in wc3. lots of other people that r better. r u posting in the wrong thread or did you think i considered tillerman as a gosu? T_T | ||
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
That 'ofcourse' made me think you considered him to be the most gosu of all... Next time use better expression... | ||
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ComicBookArtist
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rapture
Germany645 Posts
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Veg
Canada2945 Posts
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SoleSteeler
Canada5420 Posts
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halpmeh
United States333 Posts
both similar scores to our sc/bw apm... i usually get just under 100 in serious games and apex i think was at 130ish in bw... -angel | ||
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SuperCod
United States337 Posts
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
tillerman was 60-90 starcraft average is like 120-150? | ||
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halpmeh
United States333 Posts
wc average is in the 40-50s sc in the 60-70s -angel | ||
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Shockey
United States2615 Posts
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On June 08 2003 05:09 halpmeh wrote: sc average is 150?? that's just silly wc average is in the 40-50s sc in the 60-70s -angel forgot to say top players.. i dont have reps of normal bnet players | ||
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0x64
Finland4550 Posts
Before bwchart I was averaging something like 95-100. But I was 120 around in my fastest games. Now I get 120 minimum, and I know its not useless clicking around. Actually since bwchart I just have a motivation to stay concentrate over the whole game. Anyone else having a speed bump since bw chart ? | ||
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e4e5f4
United States65 Posts
With the release of w3chart, maybe the warcraft gosus will also raise their play up a notch. | ||
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Quiksilver
United States424 Posts
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Frits
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Macrophage
Germany730 Posts
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
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Zzang
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eSu.Nightmare 130-155 Bigman 150-170 elky 120-160 apex-x 80-100 FM.Karma 140-150 eSu.Soul 130-180 aT-Intox 100-190 didi8 150-200 Insomnia 100-190 Showtime.WeRRa 210-240 Fusion[SAINT] 200-280 Anyppi.WeRRa 150-200 Medusa[SAINT] 280-285 MadFrog 100-170 Tillerman 70-90 | ||
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iNFeRnO
Canada254 Posts
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Zzang
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Macrophage
Germany730 Posts
with the new version of w3chart average apm is considerably higher that before, maybe by an average of 50 or slightly less. | ||
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Zzang
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
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jca
France273 Posts
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Honk2000
Germany698 Posts
how can wc3 player have 300APM? there must be a bug, check pls jca -_- | ||
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S(O)ME(O)NE
Canada473 Posts
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halpmeh
United States333 Posts
i can eat chips and salsa while playing war3 at a top level =[ 80-100 apm is MORE than enough to do everythign possible in war3... -angel | ||
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pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
with double click to select all similar buildings, and right click to simply rally on hero, its just alot less clicking to do. also autocast, large unit hp, and slow speed means war3 has alot less clicking than bw. | ||
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Macrophage
Germany730 Posts
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SoleSteeler
Canada5420 Posts
And like being able to group buildings in one hotkey, rally workers to lumber/gold, rally directly to heroes etc. | ||
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Rageth
United States7 Posts
Anyppi.WeRRa( we all know who that is I hope...): 199apm SoL.Cafone.wS( Gosu Italian player, In BW and wc3): 168apm DayFly[Pooh](Really good Korean player, won some leagues): 268apm aNc.Delicato(We all know who this is=)): 122apm 4K.DIDI8( We know who this is too=)): 276apm SK.Insomnia(aka [o]Mr.X and eSu.Mr.X): 190apm eSu.Soul(aka (orky)~Soul~ and Soul[pG] in BW): 179apm ElkY(ya we know who this is): 169apm ShowTime.WeRRa(#1 War3 player at this moment): 204apm a-L.GeNThO(aka TrulyPieux in BW): 82apm(taken from short replay) 4K.Zeus(aka esu.zeus[19] and SG-Zeus in BW): 130apm(from short replay) 4K.Kiko(aka [o]Tris in BW in the old days): 106apm esu.Four20(aka [BG]KurMur in BW days): 254apm eSu.NitemarE(gosu Swedish UD player): 255apm eSu.Ranger(aka (orky)Ranger and Ranger[pG]): 105apm Star.WeRRa(Really good Korean UD user): 261apm IceCastle.WeRRa(Really good Korean NE user): 265apm SK.MaD)Q(FroG(aka eSu.MaDFroG in BW): 160apm aT-BIatty(Really good French UD User): 159apm FiSheYe[pG]( Yes he plays war3 now=)): 102apm Well there's the list of some of the better known War3 players by both BW and war3 community. Forgot some but It would take a long ass time to get them all. Here's a list that I think are probably interesting to see that I didn't look up(I did not put clan tags in because you will have an easier time looking for them without tags) HeMaN Lituch Kaj Krazikatt Thagor Socke Wicked/WickedGame/Kalaschni LeoLaporte Rooks Skelton/Forever[SAINT] Bei Wolf.CsT TeG-Dreamboy Kovax StarGlenn SaFT PS::1.02 replays and older do not work with wc3chart. They make it crash. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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On June 08 2003 19:47 Macrophage wrote: do you seriously think 300 apm is all macro and micro in bw? No, its also a lot of setting rally points again and again, hotkeys etc. The same for wc3. Elky does enough in War3 with 120-160 and lacks time at BW with 180 | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
wc3chart numbers are probably not correct as JCA said | ||
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Rageth
United States7 Posts
On June 08 2003 20:54 mindspike wrote: rageth, u wasted your time wc3chart numbers are probably not correct as JCA said only replays from 1.03 and older are not correct, I tested it, what many of you people dont realize, 1 battle in war3 could be well over 500actions by one player. Add that together with numerous battles, creeping, and the little building you do, and your APM is just like BWs. | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
it has to do mostly with the unit cap you will never have 6 groups of marines and medics like in bw | ||
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Rageth
United States7 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Regards FrozenArbiter | ||
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halpmeh
United States333 Posts
battles with 500 actions even on BOTH sides is laughable the koreans are just randomly clicking around the map or toggling thru 2-3 ctrl groups constantly... completely unnecessary actions just like all the nonsense clicking early whiel making scvs in bw...they do these same things in war3 with setting the town hall rally point for lumber mining...probably 20+% of the clicks in the game come from rally pt setting...i can say this from experience... | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On June 08 2003 21:46 halpmeh wrote: lol rageth you are crazy battles with 500 actions even on BOTH sides is laughable the koreans are just randomly clicking around the map or toggling thru 2-3 ctrl groups constantly... completely unnecessary actions just like all the nonsense clicking early whiel making scvs in bw...they do these same things in war3 with setting the town hall rally point for lumber mining...probably 20+% of the clicks in the game come from rally pt setting...i can say this from experience... i agree rageth is crazy but 20% is high as well you can easily see this with bwchart rally point setting is about 2-10% of actions usually its 5% more of the useless clicking is from repeatedly pressing move to the same spot when 1 move action wouldve sufficed | ||
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Rageth
United States7 Posts
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
blizzard meant it to be that way they wanted sc to be played at fast too thats why ladder is on fast speed and as a i said, that as well as the unit cap equates to about a 20-30% difference in actions | ||
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pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
On June 08 2003 19:47 Macrophage wrote: do you seriously think 300 apm is all macro and micro in bw? No, its also a lot of setting rally points again and again, hotkeys etc. The same for wc3. you dont have to set rally over with war3, its 1 right click and its done for the game. unless your rallied hero dies in which you simply right click on him again.. in bw you have to constantly change ur hotkeys depending on where the battle is, also you cant rally to minerals or gas, with war3 you can. not to mention the most peons any war3 player will have is around the 20's (3 expo = 12-15 peons + 7-8 wood = 20 in general) in bw the peon count alone is like 40-60. like i said, i think 150+ apm for any war3 replay is not correct, unless the player rallied 40000 times on their hero, mine, and trees for no reason at all. | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On June 08 2003 22:09 Rageth wrote: actually they do, BTW I can hit 300 apm in war3 easier than I can in BW, because in all honesty I dont have much to do in war3 so I can sit and just scroll through my keyed units adding pointless actions.Well I dont think they reach 5000-6000 actions in a 30 minute game by setting rally points and hitting "G" to build a grunt or something over and over. | ||
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Macrophage
Germany730 Posts
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
if u can get 300 apm in bw, then you can surely get 240 in war3 alot of actions will be select/move units ive looked at and tested the latest w3chart, its correct | ||
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Zeai
United States88 Posts
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pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
if in war3 you have 6 sorcies selected and you hit o for polymorph, and then hit an enemy unit, it will get 1 sorc tocast it. then you can press o again and click an enemy unit again over and over, and diff sorcies will cast it. if in bw you have 6 sci vessels selected and you did i on an overlord with one of them, all 6 cast irradiate, which is rather pointless, so bw needs more micro in that regards. and yes i am aware that scrolling thru hotkeys of 1212121212 is counted as actions, but you can do so much of that in war3 but almost little to none of that in bw unless its in the beginning unless its in the beginning of the game. >_< what i mean is bw has more MEANINGFUL actions. 8) if you get 300 apm in war3 it simply means you are rightclicking a hotkey on your hero 5000000 times or doing something meaningless like that, where if you get that in bw you are doing 90% meaningful actions. | ||
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obfus
United Kingdom49 Posts
I thought I was quite a fast player aswell, lol(I'm quite well known for having good micro). Perhaps I just don't do lots of *wasted* clicks. | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
meaningful actions depends on the player, not the game and the difference in apm is not as big as you think its basically equivalent to playing starcraft on fast mode | ||
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cheveiie
United States2 Posts
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Zerius[TPR]
Canada1633 Posts
On June 09 2003 03:16 mindspike wrote: intotherei u make no sense meaningful actions depends on the player, not the game and the difference in apm is not as big as you think its basically equivalent to playing starcraft on fast mode haha owned rei  | ||
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pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
i dont see what is so hard to comprehend about that. in brood war you dont have the time to un meaningfully re rally all your buildings, (unless its in the first 5 minutes of the game), because later on there is so much to do, and this is not true for war3. oh and yes, rallying your ancient of war or arcane sanctum, or whatever it is 500 times, or pressing 121212121212 on your unit hotkeys does make a large difference in apm. because i have replays where i have done it and the apm has jumped up much higher. | ||
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Macrophage
Germany730 Posts
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jca
France273 Posts
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obfus
United Kingdom49 Posts
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pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
On June 09 2003 11:16 Macrophage wrote: rei did you ever see a first person vod of a korean bw pro gamer? they do just the same in the beginning of a game Yea, i agree that they do that in the beginning of the game. I even said that. but they dont have time to do that after about 5 mins of the game. but in war3 you can switch between your 1,2 hotkeys all day and still play the game normally, and in bw it is not possible after 5 or so mins. | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
really, 255 has NO room for wasted clicks, that is the true test of speed. | ||
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FA_ViPeR
Germany187 Posts
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Honk2000
Germany698 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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Honk2000
Germany698 Posts
i found it =] edit: 280apm | ||
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sb-25
United States1 Post
I was wondering it's possible for you to modify wc3chart to output the results so that it can be parsed by an external program. Maybe include an option to output to file and have that option be switchable through the command line or just output the data to the console. The reason for this is that I would like to analyze many replays but it takes too long to manually do it. If you can output the results to a file or console, we can write a program to parse the file and gather the results. BTW, thanks for all the work on wc3chart. It's a great program and very nice tool to help analyze my gameplay. -sb | ||
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IHaveNoSound
Australia127 Posts
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LiNeS
United States11 Posts
 gogo BW! | ||
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InsanitY
Germany352 Posts
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pHuLe
Sweden1 Post
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
It would be better if you dont associate your program with .w3g files. It makes downloading replays really hard when you CANT right click and 'save as'. Left clicking will of course load the replay into the program and save it in some temp folder. | ||
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Espinoza
Russian Federation1 Post
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