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Macrophage
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany730 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 14:45:54
June 08 2003 14:44 GMT
#61
rei you are aware that pressing 121212121212 also counts as 12 actions which i can do within a second or two, add some repetitive move commands and you can get quite high. naz of course you need to do more macro in bw which is why one needs more apm on average but rageth istn completely wrong either, one also need more micro in wc3.
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 14:47:15
June 08 2003 14:46 GMT
#62
the difference is 20-30%
if u can get 300 apm in bw, then you can surely get 240 in war3
alot of actions will be select/move units
ive looked at and tested the latest w3chart, its correct

zerg/human - vancouver, canada
Zeai
Profile Joined March 2003
United States88 Posts
June 08 2003 15:52 GMT
#63
Blah,Wc3 fucks apm with autocast and that bullshit. Wc3 doesn't need more micro, it just gives you more time to micro with your 700 HP units.
ProXy[cF] on East
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 17:06:45
June 08 2003 17:05 GMT
#64
the "more micro" needed in war3 is sooo much easier to perform tho.

if in war3 you have 6 sorcies selected and you hit o for polymorph, and then hit an enemy unit, it will get 1 sorc tocast it. then you can press o again and click an enemy unit again over and over, and diff sorcies will cast it.

if in bw you have 6 sci vessels selected and you did i on an overlord with one of them, all 6 cast irradiate, which is rather pointless, so bw needs more micro in that regards.

and yes i am aware that scrolling thru hotkeys of 1212121212 is counted as actions, but you can do so much of that in war3 but almost little to none of that in bw unless its in the beginning unless its in the beginning of the game. >_<

what i mean is bw has more MEANINGFUL actions. 8) if you get 300 apm in war3 it simply means you are rightclicking a hotkey on your hero 5000000 times or doing something meaningless like that, where if you get that in bw you are doing 90% meaningful actions.
obfus
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom49 Posts
June 08 2003 18:11 GMT
#65
hmm In all my reps I've never gotten an apm higher than 95. And I'm lvl 22 solo so not a complete and utter noob :o

I thought I was quite a fast player aswell, lol(I'm quite well known for having good micro). Perhaps I just don't do lots of *wasted* clicks.
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-08 18:20:48
June 08 2003 18:16 GMT
#66
intotherei u make no sense
meaningful actions depends on the player, not the game
and the difference in apm is not as big as you think
its basically equivalent to playing starcraft on fast mode
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
cheveiie
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2 Posts
June 08 2003 18:58 GMT
#67
im lvl 20 solo, my APM can go anywhere from 170 to 230+ I admit I make alot of useless clicks tho, setting rally points many times, etc. However I don't do this past the initial stages of the game usually. I measured a rep of just the first few minutes of my build and my APM is like 350+ but it's all just extraneous stuff.
Zerius[TPR]
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada1633 Posts
June 08 2003 19:05 GMT
#68
On June 09 2003 03:16 mindspike wrote:
intotherei u make no sense
meaningful actions depends on the player, not the game
and the difference in apm is not as big as you think
its basically equivalent to playing starcraft on fast mode


haha owned rei
where from you, circus?
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
June 08 2003 21:52 GMT
#69
a war3 player double clicking on his ancient of war, and then right clicking on his hero 10 times is un needed. that IMO is not meaningful. and thats probably what war3 players do to recieve such high APM's, if those numbers are even correct.

i dont see what is so hard to comprehend about that. in brood war you dont have the time to un meaningfully re rally all your buildings, (unless its in the first 5 minutes of the game), because later on there is so much to do, and this is not true for war3.

oh and yes, rallying your ancient of war or arcane sanctum, or whatever it is 500 times, or pressing 121212121212 on your unit hotkeys does make a large difference in apm. because i have replays where i have done it and the apm has jumped up much higher.
Macrophage
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany730 Posts
June 09 2003 02:16 GMT
#70
rei did you ever see a first person vod of a korean bw pro gamer? they do just the same in the beginning of a game
jca
Profile Joined April 2003
France273 Posts
June 09 2003 02:25 GMT
#71
With the latest version 1.00E the APM number is getting very accurate, and you can now see the actions that were used to compute it. I haven't figured out all the actions yet but most of the basic ones are there.
http://www.bwchart.com
obfus
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom49 Posts
June 09 2003 04:53 GMT
#72
btw thx jca, I was hoping you would extend your project to take in wc3 aswell and you have, good man!
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
June 09 2003 08:16 GMT
#73
On June 09 2003 11:16 Macrophage wrote:
rei did you ever see a first person vod of a korean bw pro gamer? they do just the same in the beginning of a game


Yea, i agree that they do that in the beginning of the game. I even said that. but they dont have time to do that after about 5 mins of the game.

but in war3 you can switch between your 1,2 hotkeys all day and still play the game normally, and in bw it is not possible after 5 or so mins.
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
June 09 2003 08:47 GMT
#74
Personally, i think most of apm is useless clicking. I avg about 100 on bw...naz avg about 130? Ive been practicing for wcg a lot with darki, and ive probably won about 9 out of 15 of our games. He averages about 200, i avg about 100. weird? Obviously its not all useless clicking, but apparently its not making a difference.
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
June 09 2003 08:49 GMT
#75
The only true test of speed ive ever found is 255.scm. You cannot waste any clicks in that game, everything is meaningful. In 255 i fluctuate between 175-225. That is what i consider my true speed. Testie hit 320 in 255.scm yet he only hits 140 in games?

really, 255 has NO room for wasted clicks, that is the true test of speed.
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
FA_ViPeR
Profile Joined June 2003
Germany187 Posts
June 09 2003 12:07 GMT
#76
Where can i find this "255.scm" map? DL Link would be appreciated
Honk2000
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany698 Posts
June 10 2003 09:39 GMT
#77
yeah, i wanna see my "real"apm
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
June 10 2003 10:36 GMT
#78
A lot of people have it online..its called 255 fast and free...basically everything builds fast, and everything is free, just make stuff and fight...no time for wasted clicking, so it really is true speed...i saw testie hit 320...we should have an apm contest in this, requirement being the player won
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
Honk2000
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany698 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-10 12:28:41
June 10 2003 11:38 GMT
#79
http://www.geocities.com/heckruler83/MainSite/StarCraft/fastfree.scm
i found it =]

edit: 280apm
sb-25
Profile Joined June 2003
United States1 Post
June 12 2003 04:01 GMT
#80
jca,
I was wondering it's possible for you to modify wc3chart to output the results so that it can be parsed by an external program. Maybe include an option to output to file and have that option be switchable through the command line or just output the data to the console. The reason for this is that I would like to analyze many replays but it takes too long to manually do it. If you can output the results to a file or console, we can write a program to parse the file and gather the results. BTW, thanks for all the work on wc3chart. It's a great program and very nice tool to help analyze my gameplay.

-sb
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