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I've been lurking this thread from the beginning and wow.. Vegetarian is owning this thread so hard now.
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We can take solace in knowing that his fans use phrases like "owning this thread so hard now.".
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More to the point, it is a derailment of the thread. Take it to PMs.
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On October 12 2013 05:22 AngryLlama wrote:
I've been lurking this thread from the beginning and wow.. Vegetarian is owning this thread so hard now.
Yes he is. I think he won the internet.
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On October 12 2013 05:32 farvacola wrote:
We can take solace in knowing that his fans use phrases like "owning this thread so hard now.".
Eh, it's much preferable to nonstop condescension and smugness.
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you all realise that vegetarians arguments are as weak the ones he destroys?
Or is he like trolling with giving answers like a rep politician would give while making far fetched claims about the superiority of free market to any other model?
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On October 12 2013 06:15 djukger wrote:
you all realise that vegetarians arguments are as weak the ones he destroys?
Or is he like trolling with giving answers like a rep politician would give while making far fetched claims about the superiority of free market to any other model?
It would seem that he actually believes what he's saying. I doubt many republican politicians actually believe what they are saying. So that's one difference.
I'm interested to see if anyone actually cares to respond to his latest mashup between drivel and common economic theory. I'm not sure how he goes from "companies do useful things and compete with eachother", which noone is arguing against, to "free markets actually exist, government regulations are useless/harmful and people don't actually need to be informed to make decisions" which doesn't logically follow from the former. You know, Vegetarian, when you argue against commonly held beliefs it's up to you to bring the evidence against them.
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On October 12 2013 03:41 screamingpalm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 03:19 Kaitlin wrote:On October 12 2013 00:36 screamingpalm wrote:On October 11 2013 14:57 IgnE wrote:
Has anyone met anyone that really wants the ACA passed funded specifically so that they, individually, can benefit? I mostly see arguments from people who want it for others or don't want it for others. That would be me- I mean, I'd much rather have a single payer system, but it definitely affects me. I haven't seen a doctor in over a decade and had pretty much given up on the system entirely (wife works and I stay home). Health is too poor to work, pre-existing conditions keep me from seeing a doctor... pretty much in purgatory until that stroke or heart attack sends me to the ER. ACA isn't perfect, but potentially gives me a second lease on life (we'll see). Have you had a chance to get online and check out the plans available ? What kind of deductible are you facing ? Haven't made it that far yet, need to get my paperwork in order... new I.D. etc. Was pretty far off "the grid", so it's taking some time, but I'll share my experience once I do.
The website is the most annoying thing ever.
Took me over a week to finally create an account. Then they had to verify my identity... after 5 attempts that didnt work I had to submit a form of identification (I chose drivers license) which has to be reviewed manually. Still waiting.
Also, I went back and checked and it looks like all of the information that I put in previously didn't save. So I have to spend another half hour filling the information out again. Pretty much the worst process I have ever been a part of.
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On October 12 2013 06:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 03:41 screamingpalm wrote:On October 12 2013 03:19 Kaitlin wrote:On October 12 2013 00:36 screamingpalm wrote:On October 11 2013 14:57 IgnE wrote:
Has anyone met anyone that really wants the ACA passed funded specifically so that they, individually, can benefit? I mostly see arguments from people who want it for others or don't want it for others. That would be me- I mean, I'd much rather have a single payer system, but it definitely affects me. I haven't seen a doctor in over a decade and had pretty much given up on the system entirely (wife works and I stay home). Health is too poor to work, pre-existing conditions keep me from seeing a doctor... pretty much in purgatory until that stroke or heart attack sends me to the ER. ACA isn't perfect, but potentially gives me a second lease on life (we'll see). Have you had a chance to get online and check out the plans available ? What kind of deductible are you facing ? Haven't made it that far yet, need to get my paperwork in order... new I.D. etc. Was pretty far off "the grid", so it's taking some time, but I'll share my experience once I do. The website is the most annoying thing ever. Took me over a week to finally create an account. Then they had to verify my identity... after 5 attempts that didnt work I had to submit a form of identification (I chose drivers license) which has to be reviewed manually. Still waiting. Also, I went back and checked and it looks like all of the information that I put in previously didn't save. So I have to spend another half hour filling the information out again. Pretty much the worst process I have ever been a part of.
Yeah, it was dumb of them to have one central site instead of doing a site for every single state. Doing it per state would have made it so each site was only under the comparable stress of an mmo launch.
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On October 12 2013 06:39 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 06:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On October 12 2013 03:41 screamingpalm wrote:On October 12 2013 03:19 Kaitlin wrote:On October 12 2013 00:36 screamingpalm wrote:On October 11 2013 14:57 IgnE wrote:
Has anyone met anyone that really wants the ACA passed funded specifically so that they, individually, can benefit? I mostly see arguments from people who want it for others or don't want it for others. That would be me- I mean, I'd much rather have a single payer system, but it definitely affects me. I haven't seen a doctor in over a decade and had pretty much given up on the system entirely (wife works and I stay home). Health is too poor to work, pre-existing conditions keep me from seeing a doctor... pretty much in purgatory until that stroke or heart attack sends me to the ER. ACA isn't perfect, but potentially gives me a second lease on life (we'll see). Have you had a chance to get online and check out the plans available ? What kind of deductible are you facing ? Haven't made it that far yet, need to get my paperwork in order... new I.D. etc. Was pretty far off "the grid", so it's taking some time, but I'll share my experience once I do. The website is the most annoying thing ever. Took me over a week to finally create an account. Then they had to verify my identity... after 5 attempts that didnt work I had to submit a form of identification (I chose drivers license) which has to be reviewed manually. Still waiting. Also, I went back and checked and it looks like all of the information that I put in previously didn't save. So I have to spend another half hour filling the information out again. Pretty much the worst process I have ever been a part of. Yeah, it was dumb of them to have one central site instead of doing a site for every single state. Doing it per state would have made it so each site was only under the comparable stress of an mmo launch.
I think some states opted to use a local website, though I am not sure. Even still, I can't believe how many bugs there were in the system... I dont know if I have ever seen a glitchy website before this.
EDIT: Also, they have my SSN/address/phone number/full name/income report but that isnt enough to verify my identity to APPLY for health coverage.
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On October 11 2013 23:35 HellRoxYa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 22:01 Badboyrune wrote:On October 11 2013 16:37 NSGrendel wrote:
Logic should be a mandatory subject in schools. It is, it's called math. Too few people see that though, and sadly that involves teachers :/ Argumentative logic (Also known as philosophy) should be taught aswell. That way the American public will actually be able to both form their own opinions and evaluate others'.
Argumentation, reasoning, and logic would be fantastic... but unfortunately, they're not seen nearly as frequently in mathematics curricula as would be ideal.
People need to learn how to read numbers and data as well, since half the time one political side uses a chart to defend their argument, and then the other political side uses the same chart to say otherwise -_____-
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On October 12 2013 06:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 06:39 Jormundr wrote:On October 12 2013 06:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On October 12 2013 03:41 screamingpalm wrote:On October 12 2013 03:19 Kaitlin wrote:On October 12 2013 00:36 screamingpalm wrote:On October 11 2013 14:57 IgnE wrote:
Has anyone met anyone that really wants the ACA passed funded specifically so that they, individually, can benefit? I mostly see arguments from people who want it for others or don't want it for others. That would be me- I mean, I'd much rather have a single payer system, but it definitely affects me. I haven't seen a doctor in over a decade and had pretty much given up on the system entirely (wife works and I stay home). Health is too poor to work, pre-existing conditions keep me from seeing a doctor... pretty much in purgatory until that stroke or heart attack sends me to the ER. ACA isn't perfect, but potentially gives me a second lease on life (we'll see). Have you had a chance to get online and check out the plans available ? What kind of deductible are you facing ? Haven't made it that far yet, need to get my paperwork in order... new I.D. etc. Was pretty far off "the grid", so it's taking some time, but I'll share my experience once I do. The website is the most annoying thing ever. Took me over a week to finally create an account. Then they had to verify my identity... after 5 attempts that didnt work I had to submit a form of identification (I chose drivers license) which has to be reviewed manually. Still waiting. Also, I went back and checked and it looks like all of the information that I put in previously didn't save. So I have to spend another half hour filling the information out again. Pretty much the worst process I have ever been a part of. Yeah, it was dumb of them to have one central site instead of doing a site for every single state. Doing it per state would have made it so each site was only under the comparable stress of an mmo launch. I think some states opted to use a local website, though I am not sure. Even still, I can't believe how many bugs there were in the system... I dont know if I have ever seen a glitchy website before this. EDIT: Also, they have my SSN/address/phone number/full name/income report but that isnt enough to verify my identity to APPLY for health coverage.
Ironically, my wife just called and said someone does the "Cover Oregon" plans at her work which is $50/month for both of us instead of $70/2 weeks just for her through her current insurance from work. Luckily my state does do it separately with its own website etc. :D
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On October 12 2013 06:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 06:39 Jormundr wrote:On October 12 2013 06:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On October 12 2013 03:41 screamingpalm wrote:On October 12 2013 03:19 Kaitlin wrote:On October 12 2013 00:36 screamingpalm wrote:On October 11 2013 14:57 IgnE wrote:
Has anyone met anyone that really wants the ACA passed funded specifically so that they, individually, can benefit? I mostly see arguments from people who want it for others or don't want it for others. That would be me- I mean, I'd much rather have a single payer system, but it definitely affects me. I haven't seen a doctor in over a decade and had pretty much given up on the system entirely (wife works and I stay home). Health is too poor to work, pre-existing conditions keep me from seeing a doctor... pretty much in purgatory until that stroke or heart attack sends me to the ER. ACA isn't perfect, but potentially gives me a second lease on life (we'll see). Have you had a chance to get online and check out the plans available ? What kind of deductible are you facing ? Haven't made it that far yet, need to get my paperwork in order... new I.D. etc. Was pretty far off "the grid", so it's taking some time, but I'll share my experience once I do. The website is the most annoying thing ever. Took me over a week to finally create an account. Then they had to verify my identity... after 5 attempts that didnt work I had to submit a form of identification (I chose drivers license) which has to be reviewed manually. Still waiting. Also, I went back and checked and it looks like all of the information that I put in previously didn't save. So I have to spend another half hour filling the information out again. Pretty much the worst process I have ever been a part of. Yeah, it was dumb of them to have one central site instead of doing a site for every single state. Doing it per state would have made it so each site was only under the comparable stress of an mmo launch. I think some states opted to use a local website, though I am not sure. Even still, I can't believe how many bugs there were in the system... I dont know if I have ever seen a glitchy website before this. EDIT: Also, they have my SSN/address/phone number/full name/income report but that isnt enough to verify my identity to APPLY for health coverage.
Yeah there are 16 states that had individual sites. The dumb part about having a central one is that it IS GOING TO GET DDOS'D. I mean major sites get taken offline from a handful of script kiddies with botnets. The traffic for the site must be overwhelming, as there are millions of people there looking for healthcare, millions there looking to see how they can make fun of it, thousands with auto-refresh seeing if they can fuck with it, and probably a couple hundred skilled people actually trying to make it crash. I don't even know what website or server launch I could even compare it to.
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This Vegetarian guy is off his chops... Supremely idealistic O_O
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On October 12 2013 06:58 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 06:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:On October 12 2013 06:39 Jormundr wrote:On October 12 2013 06:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On October 12 2013 03:41 screamingpalm wrote:On October 12 2013 03:19 Kaitlin wrote:On October 12 2013 00:36 screamingpalm wrote:On October 11 2013 14:57 IgnE wrote:
Has anyone met anyone that really wants the ACA passed funded specifically so that they, individually, can benefit? I mostly see arguments from people who want it for others or don't want it for others. That would be me- I mean, I'd much rather have a single payer system, but it definitely affects me. I haven't seen a doctor in over a decade and had pretty much given up on the system entirely (wife works and I stay home). Health is too poor to work, pre-existing conditions keep me from seeing a doctor... pretty much in purgatory until that stroke or heart attack sends me to the ER. ACA isn't perfect, but potentially gives me a second lease on life (we'll see). Have you had a chance to get online and check out the plans available ? What kind of deductible are you facing ? Haven't made it that far yet, need to get my paperwork in order... new I.D. etc. Was pretty far off "the grid", so it's taking some time, but I'll share my experience once I do. The website is the most annoying thing ever. Took me over a week to finally create an account. Then they had to verify my identity... after 5 attempts that didnt work I had to submit a form of identification (I chose drivers license) which has to be reviewed manually. Still waiting. Also, I went back and checked and it looks like all of the information that I put in previously didn't save. So I have to spend another half hour filling the information out again. Pretty much the worst process I have ever been a part of. Yeah, it was dumb of them to have one central site instead of doing a site for every single state. Doing it per state would have made it so each site was only under the comparable stress of an mmo launch. I think some states opted to use a local website, though I am not sure. Even still, I can't believe how many bugs there were in the system... I dont know if I have ever seen a glitchy website before this. EDIT: Also, they have my SSN/address/phone number/full name/income report but that isnt enough to verify my identity to APPLY for health coverage. Yeah there are 16 states that had individual sites. The dumb part about having a central one is that it IS GOING TO GET DDOS'D. I mean major sites get taken offline from a handful of script kiddies with botnets. The traffic for the site must be overwhelming, as there are millions of people there looking for healthcare, millions there looking to see how they can make fun of it, thousands with auto-refresh seeing if they can fuck with it, and probably a couple hundred skilled people actually trying to make it crash. I don't even know what website or server launch I could even compare it to.
They did a good job with the queue and keeping it online and all, but the actual development bugs were the main issue.
Interestingly, it is still only the 366th most popular website in the US
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/healthcare.gov
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This is cute: Obamacare is the new slavery.
Neurosurgeon Ben Carson said Obamacare is the worst thing to happen to America "since slavery" while speaking at the 2013 Values Voter Summit in Washington, D.C.
"You know Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery," Carson said Friday. "And it is in a way, it is slavery in a way, because it is making all of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health care. It was about control."
Carson was recently hired by Fox News as a contributor. He served as the director of pediatric surgery at the Johns Hopkins Children's Center for 39 years.
Carson has made other shocking comments in the past, once calling white liberals "racist."
"[White liberals are] the most racist people there are," Carson said in April 2013. "You know, they put you in a little category, a little box -- you have to think this way. How could you dare come off the plantation?"
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/11/ben-carson-obamacare_n_4086065.html?1381514228&ncid=webmail1
This is just getting more and more absurd. Next up: Barack becomes Hitler and his ACA is called "The Obamacaust".
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They already had death panels, didnt they?
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On October 12 2013 07:03 magicmUnky wrote:
This Vegetarian guy is off his chops... Supremely idealistic O_O
It wasn't too much different than the socialist he responded too. Corporations are evil (when compared to the state), capitalism only helps the rich, consumers are powerless against corporate greed, and all the rest of their tripe. My opponents are idealists, but I am a realist yada yada.
On October 12 2013 07:33 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 06:58 Jormundr wrote:On October 12 2013 06:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:On October 12 2013 06:39 Jormundr wrote:On October 12 2013 06:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On October 12 2013 03:41 screamingpalm wrote:On October 12 2013 03:19 Kaitlin wrote:On October 12 2013 00:36 screamingpalm wrote:On October 11 2013 14:57 IgnE wrote:
Has anyone met anyone that really wants the ACA passed funded specifically so that they, individually, can benefit? I mostly see arguments from people who want it for others or don't want it for others. That would be me- I mean, I'd much rather have a single payer system, but it definitely affects me. I haven't seen a doctor in over a decade and had pretty much given up on the system entirely (wife works and I stay home). Health is too poor to work, pre-existing conditions keep me from seeing a doctor... pretty much in purgatory until that stroke or heart attack sends me to the ER. ACA isn't perfect, but potentially gives me a second lease on life (we'll see). Have you had a chance to get online and check out the plans available ? What kind of deductible are you facing ? Haven't made it that far yet, need to get my paperwork in order... new I.D. etc. Was pretty far off "the grid", so it's taking some time, but I'll share my experience once I do. The website is the most annoying thing ever. Took me over a week to finally create an account. Then they had to verify my identity... after 5 attempts that didnt work I had to submit a form of identification (I chose drivers license) which has to be reviewed manually. Still waiting. Also, I went back and checked and it looks like all of the information that I put in previously didn't save. So I have to spend another half hour filling the information out again. Pretty much the worst process I have ever been a part of. Yeah, it was dumb of them to have one central site instead of doing a site for every single state. Doing it per state would have made it so each site was only under the comparable stress of an mmo launch. I think some states opted to use a local website, though I am not sure. Even still, I can't believe how many bugs there were in the system... I dont know if I have ever seen a glitchy website before this. EDIT: Also, they have my SSN/address/phone number/full name/income report but that isnt enough to verify my identity to APPLY for health coverage. Yeah there are 16 states that had individual sites. The dumb part about having a central one is that it IS GOING TO GET DDOS'D. I mean major sites get taken offline from a handful of script kiddies with botnets. The traffic for the site must be overwhelming, as there are millions of people there looking for healthcare, millions there looking to see how they can make fun of it, thousands with auto-refresh seeing if they can fuck with it, and probably a couple hundred skilled people actually trying to make it crash. I don't even know what website or server launch I could even compare it to. They did a good job with the queue and keeping it online and all, but the actual development bugs were the main issue. Interestingly, it is still only the 366th most popular website in the US http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/healthcare.gov
If that's a good job, I'd hate to see what a bad job is.
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Lol, all of you surprised by the bugs and glitches are really idealistic. The system was designed by a non-sillicon valley IT group and the website launched two weeks ago. Testing was supposed to be started and finished in 1 day - the day before Obamacare went live.
I don't know about you but for a document that's 2500 pages long, with serious server loads and only 1 day for testing, I'm certain that the people in charge are idiots. And not only that, but you know how Sony was hacked? Their systems were tested over a period of months and hackers still got in. Seriously, all that data and health insurance information is going to be leaked at some point in the next year. The glitches so far are nothing. Nothing compared to what's on the horizon.
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On October 12 2013 08:19 TheRabidDeer wrote:
They already had death panels, didnt they?
What do you mean? Obamacare forbid the death panels that insurance companies have used until now. Under Obamacare insurance companies can´t deny treatment due to preexisting conditions or put a cap on payments.
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