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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:35 Zaqwe wrote: "The GOP have agreed to a compromise by funding part of the government, including the National Institutes of Health, which offers children with cancer last-chance experimental treatment. Obama has threatened to veto this funding." We can read. And unlike you, we can go one step further and pontificate. The same phrase can be written as: The GOP has denied cancer treatment to children in order to use them as political leverage against the ACA. The white house has refused to negotiate with people who deny cancer treatment to children. On October 09 2013 03:37 Zaqwe wrote: Of course it matters! Are you nuts? Shutting down is a funding issue. It's not some contingency plan to put the screws to Americans. Since when? This is about the ACA, which has already been (mostly) funded. | ||
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Mercy13
United States718 Posts
When Mr Obama stops speaking as a partisan advocate of ambitious liberal goals, adopts his mature school-principal voice, and demands simply that political players adhere to reasonable norms of democratic governance, Republicans are left with nothing to oppose except the reasonable norms of democratic governance. At the moment, Republicans need to be reminded that Democrats do not want the government to reopen and the interest on our debt to be paid. They want the government to reopen, double its infrastructure spending and guarantee pre-school from age three to poor Americans; they want to pay the interest on our debt, then borrow more to run larger deficits right now and for the next couple of years, and lock in higher taxes five to ten years down the road to handle the long-term deficit problem. A fight between Democrats and Republicans over whether or not those are good ideas is a fight America can survive and even thrive with. A fight over whether or not to default on our debt isn't. Source | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:35 Zaqwe wrote: "The GOP have agreed to a compromise by funding part of the government, including the National Institutes of Health, which offers children with cancer last-chance experimental treatment. Obama has threatened to veto this funding." To be fair, that's not much of a compromise. My inner cynic is that they are largely just forcing democrats to vote against kids with cancer so they can run campaign ads against them next year. We can read. And unlike you, we can go one step further and pontificate. The same phrase can be written as: The GOP has denied cancer treatment to children in order to use them as political leverage against the ACA. The white house has refused to negotiate with people who deny cancer treatment to children. In the long run, Intentions don't matter, voting records matter. Democrats would have a vote denying treatment to kids with cancer, republicans will not. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
I mean who cares, if some kids die entirely because it's "non essential" at least they'll have health care now you know assuming they survive. But seriously,I like how people are defending it, that's the best part. It's all okay it's the evil Republicans fault. At this point it's like being stuck in an abusive household as a little kid, both mommy and daddy are too busy fighting each other and taking smacks at you to hurt the other then realize the damage they are causing. At least the new health care site is up. It does't work half the time and I am pretty sure it was programmed by high school dropouts but hey..healthcare! That you are forced to get, unless you are in congress, or a major company.. funny how that happened. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14047 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:58 Parnage wrote: You guys just don't understand, we have to stop people from looking at Rushmore and from walking up to the WW2 memorial, do you have any idea how expensive it is to have people look at things?! I mean who cares, if some kids die entirely because it's "non essential" at least they'll have health care now you know assuming they survive. But seriously,I like how people are defending it, that's the best part. It's all okay it's the evil Republicans fault. At this point it's like being stuck in an abusive household as a little kid, both mommy and daddy are too busy fighting each other and taking smacks at you to hurt the other then realize the damage they are causing. At least the new health care site is up. It does't work half the time and I am pretty sure it was programmed by high school dropouts but hey..healthcare! That you are forced to get, unless you are in congress, or a major company.. funny how that happened. Hey man thats not fair The unions worked really hard to get out of the healthcare system that they helped force the rest of the country into useing. | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:58 Parnage wrote: You guys just don't understand, we have to stop people from looking at Rushmore and from walking up to the WW2 memorial, do you have any idea how expensive it is to have people look at things?! I mean who cares, if some kids die entirely because it's "non essential" at least they'll have health care now you know assuming they survive. But seriously,I like how people are defending it, that's the best part. It's all okay it's the evil Republicans fault. At this point it's like being stuck in an abusive household as a little kid, both mommy and daddy are too busy fighting each other and taking smacks at you to hurt the other then realize the damage they are causing. At least the new health care site is up. It does't work half the time and I am pretty sure it was programmed by high school dropouts but hey..healthcare! That you are forced to get, unless you are in congress, or a major company.. funny how that happened. It actually is all the evil republicans fault. They are the sole cause of this. They are the sole body which can end this. How is it not their fault? | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
On October 09 2013 04:02 farvacola wrote: Things have changed since Kerry ran for office. Yes. If anything, facts matter even less. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On October 09 2013 04:01 Tianx wrote: In the long run, voting records don't matter, media spin matters. For example, take Kerry's public perception about being a cowardly flip-flopper despite being a war hero to George Bush's draft-dodging "macho man" image. The sad truth is that the liberal media's propaganda machines are just not as effective as Fox News and other sources. You mean the same Kerry that said "I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it." In reference to the a military appropriations bill during the Iraq war. Edited unclear part. | ||
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
That remains to be seen. We'll see who is paying attention and how come 2014. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4733 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
On October 09 2013 04:05 farvacola wrote: That remains to be seen. We'll see who is paying attention and how come 2014. Well, if this doesn't cause significant congressional turnover, nothing will. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:47 Mercy13 wrote: Here is the conclusion from an interesting blog post in The Economist that discusses why each side seems to be talking past the other, and how we might get out of this mess: Source Yes, exactly. They need to put on their big kid pants and talk to each other like adults. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On October 09 2013 04:02 Jormundr wrote: It actually is all the evil republicans fault. They are the sole cause of this. They are the sole body which can end this. How is it not their fault? Just because Mommy hit you first doesn't make you feel any better when daddy hits you the next day.. Both sides are acting like morons at this point. One side purposely making it worse and the other who started it in the first place over a law that had a good intention, screwed it up royally and most likely wont pass further legal muster but it looks good to oppose it, or so they figure. I am watching the american public get screwed on both ends by people trying to score points. | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On October 09 2013 04:09 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Yes, exactly. They need to put on their big kid pants and talk to each other like adults. What big boy pants? As long as Republicans are targetting the individual mandate, then there is no point in negotiating. Without that, the whole law falls apart. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:35 Zaqwe wrote: "The GOP have agreed to a compromise by funding part of the government, including the National Institutes of Health, which offers children with cancer last-chance experimental treatment. Obama has threatened to veto this funding." I said I´ve read it, and I still don´t buy it. GOP engineer a bad situation, shift the blame on Obama and are now trying to come out as the heroes by funding things that look good to the media. GOP are using children with cancer in a political game. The reason those children are without treatment, is because they refused to put a budget with ACA funded to a vote in the first place. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
On October 09 2013 04:07 Tianx wrote: Well, if this doesn't cause significant congressional turnover, nothing will. This wont cause significant congressional turnover. There is a reason the republicans are so stuborn this time,they feel strong and confident about the next elections. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326717-obamas-approval-drops-to-lowest-level-in-two-years Public will blame the democrats just as much as the republicans, if not more. Next week will be fun, if we lucky we get a market crash of 10%, cant wait i have to admit. | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
Also the people who fund the GOP may be okay with brinkmanship leading to the shutdown of government services that they don't need, but when it starts to threaten their pocketbooks you can bet that pressure is going to start being placed the other way. And if I'm wrong in two weeks this post doesn't matter because everything will have gone to complete hell. | ||
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