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On October 09 2013 03:58 Parnage wrote:
You guys just don't understand, we have to stop people from looking at Rushmore and from walking up to the WW2 memorial, do you have any idea how expensive it is to have people look at things?!
I mean who cares, if some kids die entirely because it's "non essential" at least they'll have health care now you know assuming they survive.
But seriously,I like how people are defending it, that's the best part. It's all okay it's the evil Republicans fault. At this point it's like being stuck in an abusive household as a little kid, both mommy and daddy are too busy fighting each other and taking smacks at you to hurt the other then realize the damage they are causing.
At least the new health care site is up. It does't work half the time and I am pretty sure it was programmed by high school dropouts but hey..healthcare! That you are forced to get, unless you are in congress, or a major company.. funny how that happened.
Please stop repeating this myth.
the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are — (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act.
- ACA Sec. 1312(d)(3)(D)
Or keep repeating it, it makes it easy to identify the people who form their opinions based on GOP propaganda : )
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On October 09 2013 04:14 Adila wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 04:09 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 09 2013 03:47 Mercy13 wrote:Here is the conclusion from an interesting blog post in The Economist that discusses why each side seems to be talking past the other, and how we might get out of this mess: When Mr Obama stops speaking as a partisan advocate of ambitious liberal goals, adopts his mature school-principal voice, and demands simply that political players adhere to reasonable norms of democratic governance, Republicans are left with nothing to oppose except the reasonable norms of democratic governance. At the moment, Republicans need to be reminded that Democrats do not want the government to reopen and the interest on our debt to be paid. They want the government to reopen, double its infrastructure spending and guarantee pre-school from age three to poor Americans; they want to pay the interest on our debt, then borrow more to run larger deficits right now and for the next couple of years, and lock in higher taxes five to ten years down the road to handle the long-term deficit problem. A fight between Democrats and Republicans over whether or not those are good ideas is a fight America can survive and even thrive with. A fight over whether or not to default on our debt isn't. Source Yes, exactly. They need to put on their big kid pants and talk to each other like adults. What big boy pants? As long as Republicans are targetting the individual mandate, then there is no point in negotiating. Without that, the whole law falls apart.
IMO that's a huge exaggeration. The individual mandate isn't very substantive - many will choose to pay the penalty. Moreover, the individual mandate in the first year is particularly toothless.
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On October 09 2013 04:11 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 04:02 Jormundr wrote:On October 09 2013 03:58 Parnage wrote:
You guys just don't understand, we have to stop people from looking at Rushmore and from walking up to the WW2 memorial, do you have any idea how expensive it is to have people look at things?!
I mean who cares, if some kids die entirely because it's "non essential" at least they'll have health care now you know assuming they survive.
But seriously,I like how people are defending it, that's the best part. It's all okay it's the evil Republicans fault. At this point it's like being stuck in an abusive household as a little kid, both mommy and daddy are too busy fighting each other and taking smacks at you to hurt the other then realize the damage they are causing.
At least the new health care site is up. It does't work half the time and I am pretty sure it was programmed by high school dropouts but hey..healthcare! That you are forced to get, unless you are in congress, or a major company.. funny how that happened. It actually is all the evil republicans fault. They are the sole cause of this. They are the sole body which can end this. How is it not their fault? Just because Mommy hit you first doesn't make you feel any better when daddy hits you the next day.. Both sides are acting like morons at this point. One side purposely making it worse and the other who started it in the first place over a law that had a good intention, screwed it up royally and most likely wont pass further legal muster but it looks good to oppose it, or so they figure. I am watching the american public get screwed on both ends by people trying to score points.
You haven't proven that one side is purposefully making it worse. You're just bitching about some parks being cost neutral and they should be left open in spite of the fact that they legally shouldn't, according to the antideficiency act.
You have a problem with one of three things:
1. The house shutting down the government
2. The laws concerning government shutdowns
3. The president enforcing the government shutdown laws
Pretty much everything you have posted so far from fringe right wing websites less reputable than the drudge report are "but these things should be an EXCEPTION to the law" arguments. That would mean that you are suffering from #2, a disagreement with the laws themselves. In terms of exceptions to the laws, maybe you should call your representatives and ask them to pencil in things that should be exempted from the next government shutdown. As for the current shutdown, it goes by the current law.
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On October 09 2013 04:21 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 04:14 Adila wrote:On October 09 2013 04:09 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 09 2013 03:47 Mercy13 wrote:Here is the conclusion from an interesting blog post in The Economist that discusses why each side seems to be talking past the other, and how we might get out of this mess: When Mr Obama stops speaking as a partisan advocate of ambitious liberal goals, adopts his mature school-principal voice, and demands simply that political players adhere to reasonable norms of democratic governance, Republicans are left with nothing to oppose except the reasonable norms of democratic governance. At the moment, Republicans need to be reminded that Democrats do not want the government to reopen and the interest on our debt to be paid. They want the government to reopen, double its infrastructure spending and guarantee pre-school from age three to poor Americans; they want to pay the interest on our debt, then borrow more to run larger deficits right now and for the next couple of years, and lock in higher taxes five to ten years down the road to handle the long-term deficit problem. A fight between Democrats and Republicans over whether or not those are good ideas is a fight America can survive and even thrive with. A fight over whether or not to default on our debt isn't. Source Yes, exactly. They need to put on their big kid pants and talk to each other like adults. What big boy pants? As long as Republicans are targetting the individual mandate, then there is no point in negotiating. Without that, the whole law falls apart. IMO that's a huge exaggeration. The individual mandate isn't very substantive - many will choose to pay the penalty. Moreover, the individual mandate in the first year is particularly toothless.
How many are going to pay the penalty?
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Usa default isnt the end of the world, as long as it wont last to long. Creditors (japan and china) could be conviced that it all was just a game after the whole situation is resolved.
Obama will give in just before or right after usa has gone into default.
Imagine the horror of usa going into full default under the first black president. Its obama who has no choise, not the republicans.
At least thats how i see it.
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On October 09 2013 04:24 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 04:21 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 09 2013 04:14 Adila wrote:On October 09 2013 04:09 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 09 2013 03:47 Mercy13 wrote:Here is the conclusion from an interesting blog post in The Economist that discusses why each side seems to be talking past the other, and how we might get out of this mess: When Mr Obama stops speaking as a partisan advocate of ambitious liberal goals, adopts his mature school-principal voice, and demands simply that political players adhere to reasonable norms of democratic governance, Republicans are left with nothing to oppose except the reasonable norms of democratic governance. At the moment, Republicans need to be reminded that Democrats do not want the government to reopen and the interest on our debt to be paid. They want the government to reopen, double its infrastructure spending and guarantee pre-school from age three to poor Americans; they want to pay the interest on our debt, then borrow more to run larger deficits right now and for the next couple of years, and lock in higher taxes five to ten years down the road to handle the long-term deficit problem. A fight between Democrats and Republicans over whether or not those are good ideas is a fight America can survive and even thrive with. A fight over whether or not to default on our debt isn't. Source Yes, exactly. They need to put on their big kid pants and talk to each other like adults. What big boy pants? As long as Republicans are targetting the individual mandate, then there is no point in negotiating. Without that, the whole law falls apart. IMO that's a huge exaggeration. The individual mandate isn't very substantive - many will choose to pay the penalty. Moreover, the individual mandate in the first year is particularly toothless. How many are going to pay the penalty?
I assume everyone that's uninsured. So 44 million in 2014 (source).
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On October 09 2013 04:16 Mercy13 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 03:58 Parnage wrote:
You guys just don't understand, we have to stop people from looking at Rushmore and from walking up to the WW2 memorial, do you have any idea how expensive it is to have people look at things?!
I mean who cares, if some kids die entirely because it's "non essential" at least they'll have health care now you know assuming they survive.
But seriously,I like how people are defending it, that's the best part. It's all okay it's the evil Republicans fault. At this point it's like being stuck in an abusive household as a little kid, both mommy and daddy are too busy fighting each other and taking smacks at you to hurt the other then realize the damage they are causing.
At least the new health care site is up. It does't work half the time and I am pretty sure it was programmed by high school dropouts but hey..healthcare! That you are forced to get, unless you are in congress, or a major company.. funny how that happened. Please stop repeating this myth. Show nested quote +the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are — (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act. - ACA Sec. 1312(d)(3)(D) Or keep repeating it, it makes it easy to identify the people who form their opinions based on GOP propaganda : )
You are right, it was only recently made clear the vague wording of the law but you are correct from what I can see. *shrug* Of course calling my mistake propaganda is a tad silly considering as stated before both sides are screwing you. Keep trying to tell yourself that one side cares about you more then the other however, at least I admit my mistakes.
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I wonder if the world was always like this, or if there was actually a time when a government or leader cared more about their people than their own bank accounts?
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On October 09 2013 04:32 hunts wrote:
I wonder if the world was always like this, or if there was actually a time when a government or leader cared more about their people than their own bank accounts?
It's always been like this in one form or another, only as one goes back farther and farther in time, resolution dispute simply looks bloodier and sillier.
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On October 09 2013 04:15 Rassy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 04:07 Tianx wrote:On October 09 2013 04:05 farvacola wrote:On October 09 2013 04:04 Tianx wrote:On October 09 2013 04:02 farvacola wrote:
Things have changed since Kerry ran for office. Yes. If anything, facts matter even less. That remains to be seen. We'll see who is paying attention and how come 2014. Well, if this doesn't cause significant congressional turnover, nothing will. This wont cause significant congressional turnover. There is a reason the republicans are so stuborn this time,they feel strong and confident about the next elections. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326717-obamas-approval-drops-to-lowest-level-in-two-yearsPublic will blame the democrats just as much as the republicans, if not more. Next week will be fun, if we lucky we get a market crash of 10%, cant wait i have to admit.
I wouldn't be so confident in your citation of thehill.com/blogs lol.
Republicans are taking more of the blame for a stalemate over the government shutdown, but both parties have dug into their positions, two new polls show.
A new poll from Washington Post/ABC News found that disapproval of Republicans is up to 70 percent among American adults from 63 percent approval at the end of September. Disapproval of Democrats is up to 61 percent from 56 percent at the end of last month.
But President Obama is faring the best. His approval rating is up to 45 percent from 41 percent at the end of September, due to an 11-point increase in his approval from Democrats and independents from last week.
The poll's findings track with a new Pew survey out Monday that finds the disapproval ratings for lawmakers' handling of the situation is 69 percent for Republicans, 58 percent for Democrats and just 50 percent for Mr. Obama.
The Pew survey also found that by a margin of 38 percent to 30 percent, respondents say Republicans are more to blame for the shutdown than Mr. Obama. Nineteen percent say both parties are to blame. That is a starker divide from the end of September, when 39 percent said they would blame Republicans for a shutdown and 36 percent said they would blame the Obama administration.
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On October 09 2013 04:23 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 04:11 Parnage wrote:On October 09 2013 04:02 Jormundr wrote:On October 09 2013 03:58 Parnage wrote:
You guys just don't understand, we have to stop people from looking at Rushmore and from walking up to the WW2 memorial, do you have any idea how expensive it is to have people look at things?!
I mean who cares, if some kids die entirely because it's "non essential" at least they'll have health care now you know assuming they survive.
But seriously,I like how people are defending it, that's the best part. It's all okay it's the evil Republicans fault. At this point it's like being stuck in an abusive household as a little kid, both mommy and daddy are too busy fighting each other and taking smacks at you to hurt the other then realize the damage they are causing.
At least the new health care site is up. It does't work half the time and I am pretty sure it was programmed by high school dropouts but hey..healthcare! That you are forced to get, unless you are in congress, or a major company.. funny how that happened. It actually is all the evil republicans fault. They are the sole cause of this. They are the sole body which can end this. How is it not their fault? Just because Mommy hit you first doesn't make you feel any better when daddy hits you the next day.. Both sides are acting like morons at this point. One side purposely making it worse and the other who started it in the first place over a law that had a good intention, screwed it up royally and most likely wont pass further legal muster but it looks good to oppose it, or so they figure. I am watching the american public get screwed on both ends by people trying to score points. You haven't proven that one side is purposefully making it worse. You're just bitching about some parks being cost neutral and they should be left open in spite of the fact that they legally shouldn't, according to the antideficiency act. You have a problem with one of three things: 1. The house shutting down the government 2. The laws concerning government shutdowns 3. The president enforcing the government shutdown laws Pretty much everything you have posted so far from fringe right wing websites less reputable than the drudge report are "but these things should be an EXCEPTION to the law" arguments. That would mean that you are suffering from #2, a disagreement with the laws themselves. In terms of exceptions to the laws, maybe you should call your representatives and ask them to pencil in things that should be exempted from the next government shutdown. As for the current shutdown, it goes by the current law.
Haven't proven it? If you'd actually click the sources on that list maybe you'd learn something. Last I checked, the Miami herald(closing the ocean), the Washington times are not right wing "fringe" websites.
Hell the attempted shutdown of Mt. Vernon(a private site) was listed on there website claiming that despite of the shutdown they where in fact still open. But I guess I am just crazy right wing fringe for thinking that it's fucking retarded to make things worse.
Many of these sites and services where NOT shutdown in the last shutdown and to hide behind "well it's the law he's just trying to follow it" is akin to that scene from every COPS episode where the abused wife says "HE DOESNT MEAN IT HE LOVES ME" You'd have to be masochistic to think that this is no big deal. It's stupid, both sides are stupid and instead of solving it, they are too busy trying to score points and attempt to make themselves look good when the situation ends. It's disgusting political machinations of the worst kind, the kind that effects people who shouldn't be effected by it at all but are due to malice intentional or otherwise and incompetency.
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On October 09 2013 04:30 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 04:16 Mercy13 wrote:On October 09 2013 03:58 Parnage wrote:
You guys just don't understand, we have to stop people from looking at Rushmore and from walking up to the WW2 memorial, do you have any idea how expensive it is to have people look at things?!
I mean who cares, if some kids die entirely because it's "non essential" at least they'll have health care now you know assuming they survive.
But seriously,I like how people are defending it, that's the best part. It's all okay it's the evil Republicans fault. At this point it's like being stuck in an abusive household as a little kid, both mommy and daddy are too busy fighting each other and taking smacks at you to hurt the other then realize the damage they are causing.
At least the new health care site is up. It does't work half the time and I am pretty sure it was programmed by high school dropouts but hey..healthcare! That you are forced to get, unless you are in congress, or a major company.. funny how that happened. Please stop repeating this myth. the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are — (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act. - ACA Sec. 1312(d)(3)(D) Or keep repeating it, it makes it easy to identify the people who form their opinions based on GOP propaganda : ) You are right, it was only recently made clear the vague wording of the law but you are correct from what I can see. *shrug* Of course calling my mistake propaganda is a tad silly considering as stated before both sides are screwing you. Keep trying to tell yourself that one side cares about you more then the other however, at least I admit my mistakes.
That wasn't really addressed at you, it's a claim that has been repeated over and over by many posters and your post was simply the latest one.
I agree that both sides are screwing me, but in this case the Republicans are screwing me a lot harder than the Democrats : )
I don't think I've posted anything that isn't based on facts rather than the talking points of one side or the other, but if you point any out to me I would be happy to admit my error.
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On October 09 2013 04:43 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 04:23 Jormundr wrote:On October 09 2013 04:11 Parnage wrote:On October 09 2013 04:02 Jormundr wrote:On October 09 2013 03:58 Parnage wrote:
You guys just don't understand, we have to stop people from looking at Rushmore and from walking up to the WW2 memorial, do you have any idea how expensive it is to have people look at things?!
I mean who cares, if some kids die entirely because it's "non essential" at least they'll have health care now you know assuming they survive.
But seriously,I like how people are defending it, that's the best part. It's all okay it's the evil Republicans fault. At this point it's like being stuck in an abusive household as a little kid, both mommy and daddy are too busy fighting each other and taking smacks at you to hurt the other then realize the damage they are causing.
At least the new health care site is up. It does't work half the time and I am pretty sure it was programmed by high school dropouts but hey..healthcare! That you are forced to get, unless you are in congress, or a major company.. funny how that happened. It actually is all the evil republicans fault. They are the sole cause of this. They are the sole body which can end this. How is it not their fault? Just because Mommy hit you first doesn't make you feel any better when daddy hits you the next day.. Both sides are acting like morons at this point. One side purposely making it worse and the other who started it in the first place over a law that had a good intention, screwed it up royally and most likely wont pass further legal muster but it looks good to oppose it, or so they figure. I am watching the american public get screwed on both ends by people trying to score points. You haven't proven that one side is purposefully making it worse. You're just bitching about some parks being cost neutral and they should be left open in spite of the fact that they legally shouldn't, according to the antideficiency act. You have a problem with one of three things: 1. The house shutting down the government 2. The laws concerning government shutdowns 3. The president enforcing the government shutdown laws Pretty much everything you have posted so far from fringe right wing websites less reputable than the drudge report are "but these things should be an EXCEPTION to the law" arguments. That would mean that you are suffering from #2, a disagreement with the laws themselves. In terms of exceptions to the laws, maybe you should call your representatives and ask them to pencil in things that should be exempted from the next government shutdown. As for the current shutdown, it goes by the current law. Haven't proven it? If you'd actually click the sources on that list maybe you'd learn something. Last I checked, the Miami herald(closing the ocean), the Washington times are not right wing "fringe" websites. Hell the attempted shutdown of Mt. Vernon(a private site) was listed on there website claiming that despite of the shutdown they where in fact still open. But I guess I am just crazy right wing fringe for thinking that it's fucking retarded to make things worse. Many of these sites and services where NOT shutdown in the last shutdown and to hide behind "well it's the law he's just trying to follow it" is akin to that scene from every COPS episode where the abused wife says "HE DOESNT MEAN IT HE LOVES ME" You'd have to be masochistic to think that this is no big deal. It's stupid, both sides are stupid and instead of solving it, they are too busy trying to score points and attempt to make themselves look good when the situation ends. It's disgusting political machinations of the worst kind, the kind that effects people who shouldn't be effected by it at all but are due to malice intentional or otherwise and incompetency.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/oct/07/tweets/did-obama-shut-down-ocean-part-shutdown/
You're a crazy fringe for linking breitbart on here. It's barely a step up from zerohedge, powerline, and freerepublic in terms of credibility.
According to breitbart, some of those weren't closed during the last shutdown. Why don't you do your own list and come back with a list of confirmed parks that were not affected during the last shutdown. You can add mount vernon to that as a freebie seeing how it is a government fuckup.
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On October 09 2013 04:32 hunts wrote:
I wonder if the world was always like this, or if there was actually a time when a government or leader cared more about their people than their own bank accounts?
It is self-evident that where this democracy rules, the people as such are not taken into consideration at all. The only thing that matters is the existence of a few hundred gigantic capitalists who own all the factories and their stock and, through them, control the people. The masses of the people do not interest them in the least. They are interested in them just as were our bourgeois parties in former times - only when elections are being held, when they need votes. Otherwise, the life of the masses is a matter of complete indifference to them.
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On October 09 2013 02:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 02:32 Gorsameth wrote:On October 09 2013 02:27 MstrJinbo wrote:On October 09 2013 02:23 JimSocks wrote:
meh. fuck it. repubs pretty much gonna lose seats in the house now next election. most ppl see through Cruz, aint no way dude can win 2016. political suicide cause you can't stand up to tea party nonsense.
There is a 90+% reelection rate for house members. Keep dreaming  Because of a system so insane and undemocratic even china would have problems with it. The house has no responsibility to the American people. They represent a tiny subset of people that they themselves chose would represent them. How insane is that in a democracy. Individual members of the House get elected by a subset of the population, but the House as a whole represents the entire country. I'm not sure what you think is undemocratic about that.
The reason I call it undemocratic is the way those subsets are defined. The fact alone that re-election rates are so high raises serious doubts about there impartiality.
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This does not look like a democratic system at work unless the house has been doing an insanely good job for over 40 years.
![[image loading]](http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/tsf2dqoml0u8dmw9qmeaxg.png) Source
However this seems to paint a different story.
How democratic is a system where over 40 years approval go's over 50% once yet re-election is closer to 90%.
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On October 09 2013 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 02:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 09 2013 02:32 Gorsameth wrote:On October 09 2013 02:27 MstrJinbo wrote:On October 09 2013 02:23 JimSocks wrote:
meh. fuck it. repubs pretty much gonna lose seats in the house now next election. most ppl see through Cruz, aint no way dude can win 2016. political suicide cause you can't stand up to tea party nonsense.
There is a 90+% reelection rate for house members. Keep dreaming Because of a system so insane and undemocratic even china would have problems with it. The house has no responsibility to the American people. They represent a tiny subset of people that they themselves chose would represent them. How insane is that in a democracy. Individual members of the House get elected by a subset of the population, but the House as a whole represents the entire country. I'm not sure what you think is undemocratic about that. How democratic is a system where over 40 years approval go's over 50% once yet re-election is closer to 90%.
Basically Americans don't like congress as an institution but tend to approve of the job by their own representative.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/162362/americans-down-congress-own-representative.aspx
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On October 09 2013 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 02:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 09 2013 02:32 Gorsameth wrote:On October 09 2013 02:27 MstrJinbo wrote:On October 09 2013 02:23 JimSocks wrote:
meh. fuck it. repubs pretty much gonna lose seats in the house now next election. most ppl see through Cruz, aint no way dude can win 2016. political suicide cause you can't stand up to tea party nonsense.
There is a 90+% reelection rate for house members. Keep dreaming Because of a system so insane and undemocratic even china would have problems with it. The house has no responsibility to the American people. They represent a tiny subset of people that they themselves chose would represent them. How insane is that in a democracy. Individual members of the House get elected by a subset of the population, but the House as a whole represents the entire country. I'm not sure what you think is undemocratic about that. The reason I call it undemocratic is the way those subsets are defined. The fact alone that re-election rates are so high raises serious doubts about there impartiality. SourceThis does not look like a democratic system at work unless the house has been doing an insanely good job for over 40 years. SourceHowever this seems to paint a different story. How democratic is a system where over 40 years approval go's over 50% once yet re-election is closer to 90%.
You can like your representative but not like the collective action of the House. They're two different things.
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On October 09 2013 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 02:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 09 2013 02:32 Gorsameth wrote:On October 09 2013 02:27 MstrJinbo wrote:On October 09 2013 02:23 JimSocks wrote:
meh. fuck it. repubs pretty much gonna lose seats in the house now next election. most ppl see through Cruz, aint no way dude can win 2016. political suicide cause you can't stand up to tea party nonsense.
There is a 90+% reelection rate for house members. Keep dreaming Because of a system so insane and undemocratic even china would have problems with it. The house has no responsibility to the American people. They represent a tiny subset of people that they themselves chose would represent them. How insane is that in a democracy. Individual members of the House get elected by a subset of the population, but the House as a whole represents the entire country. I'm not sure what you think is undemocratic about that. The reason I call it undemocratic is the way those subsets are defined. The fact alone that re-election rates are so high raises serious doubts about there impartiality. SourceThis does not look like a democratic system at work unless the house has been doing an insanely good job for over 40 years. SourceHowever this seems to paint a different story. How democratic is a system where over 40 years approval go's over 50% once yet re-election is closer to 90%.
You confuse democratic with fairness. Democratic just means majority rules. And the majority is defined and redefined through gerrymandering where the Congress is concerned. Democracy is working fine. Elections and regulations are rigged.
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On October 09 2013 04:34 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 04:24 Rassy wrote:
Usa default isnt the end of the world, as long as it wont last to long. Creditors (japan and china) could be conviced that it all was just a game after the whole situation is resolved.
Obama will give in just before or right after usa has gone into default.
Imagine the horror of usa going into full default under the first black president. Its obama that has no choise, not the republicans.
At least thats how i see it. That's just stupid thinking. Obviously if it gets to that point he'll pull out his secret trump card. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AzcBuRH.jpg) "Hold it! Next man makes a move, the nigger gets it" ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xJNu4pF.jpg) Hold it, men. He's not bluffing. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r71lBMb.jpg?1) Listen to him, men. He's just crazy enough to do it!
Lol thats actually a decent representation of the current situation.
Though do you think boehner would realy think/say that? or would he be more like: "pls be my guest" ?
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