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On August 02 2013 10:54 Mutineer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:36 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2013 10:34 Mutineer wrote:
Well I have to defend the law. Law suppose to reflect will of the people, and in Russia majority of population look on Gay relationship as an illness. You may say that it is going against freedom of speech? But there are a lot of laws that do that.
I am sure you will be jailed if you do Jihad propaganda in State, Nazi propaganda in Europe. Who's talking about that necessarily? It's much more about the wisdom of the Olympics being awarded to a country with those kind of laws. It's not exclusively an issue with Russia, but about what the role of the Olympics is? So you believe Olympics should be awarded only to small subset of countries which satisfy you? BTW that law actually have a very good point. No one prove that people born gay. And we all know that we are a product of our environment. It is possible that some people gay inclined from cradle, Thought I do not see what evolution value in that. More likely people become gay as result of environment, bad luck with opposite sex, mach easy available homo relationship. And then that relationship become ingrained. We are creatures of our experience. So, law that prohibit popularization of gay relationship designed to protect yang.
Tell me, at what age did you choose to be straight?
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On August 02 2013 10:34 Mutineer wrote:
Well I have to defend the law. Law suppose to reflect will of the people, and in Russia majority of population look on Gay relationship as an illness. You may say that it is going against freedom of speech? But there are a lot of laws that do that.
I am sure you will be jailed if you do Jihad propaganda in State, Nazi propaganda in Europe.
It's weird you say Law suppose to reflect the will of the people and end it with Jihad and Nazi states. When such set ups are be damed what the people want this is what the rulers of the state want. Although Nazism like Communism was a populist movement they did not consider what the people wanted rather told them what they wanted. Plus morality transcends any state, what is truly right or wrong isn't a group vote.
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On August 02 2013 11:00 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:34 Mutineer wrote:
Well I have to defend the law. Law suppose to reflect will of the people, and in Russia majority of population look on Gay relationship as an illness. You may say that it is going against freedom of speech? But there are a lot of laws that do that.
I am sure you will be jailed if you do Jihad propaganda in State, Nazi propaganda in Europe. It's weird you say Law suppose to reflect the will of the people and end it with Jihad and Nazi states. When such set ups are be damed what the people want this is what the rulers of the state want. Although Nazism like Communism was a populist movement they did not consider what the people wanted rather told them what they wanted. Plus morality transcends any state , what is truly right or wrong isn't a group vote.
Who decides what's "truly right or wrong"? The people with the biggest guns, so the USA I guess...
No one's entitled anything in this world. You didn't choose to be born, or do anything special for it. Your mother had sex with your father, then you popped out-- same as when a bitch mates with another dog and pops out some pups.
People have different beliefs and opinions than you; just because you think you know what's "right" doesn't make it so.
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On August 02 2013 11:04 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 11:00 semantics wrote:On August 02 2013 10:34 Mutineer wrote:
Well I have to defend the law. Law suppose to reflect will of the people, and in Russia majority of population look on Gay relationship as an illness. You may say that it is going against freedom of speech? But there are a lot of laws that do that.
I am sure you will be jailed if you do Jihad propaganda in State, Nazi propaganda in Europe. It's weird you say Law suppose to reflect the will of the people and end it with Jihad and Nazi states. When such set ups are be damed what the people want this is what the rulers of the state want. Although Nazism like Communism was a populist movement they did not consider what the people wanted rather told them what they wanted. Plus morality transcends any state , what is truly right or wrong isn't a group vote. Who decides what's "truly right or wrong"? The people with the biggest guns, so the USA I guess... No one's entitled anything in this world. You didn't choose to be born, or do anything special for it. Your mother had sex with your father, then you popped out-- same as when a bitch mates with another dog and pops out some pups. People have different beliefs and opinions than you; just because you think you know what's "right" doesn't make it so.
It's pretty ironic that you live in a country with Constitutional protection for people that has been upheld by the Supreme Court, even in cases where simple majoritarian opinion was very much against certain groups and actions.
The States may not be a paragon of virtue, but equally it doesn't always kowtow to popular opinion.
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On August 02 2013 10:54 Mutineer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:36 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2013 10:34 Mutineer wrote:
Well I have to defend the law. Law suppose to reflect will of the people, and in Russia majority of population look on Gay relationship as an illness. You may say that it is going against freedom of speech? But there are a lot of laws that do that.
I am sure you will be jailed if you do Jihad propaganda in State, Nazi propaganda in Europe. Who's talking about that necessarily? It's much more about the wisdom of the Olympics being awarded to a country with those kind of laws. It's not exclusively an issue with Russia, but about what the role of the Olympics is? So you believe Olympics should be awarded only to small subset of countries which satisfy you? BTW that law actually have a very good point. No one prove that people born gay. And we all know that we are a product of our environment. It is possible that some people gay inclined from cradle, Thought I do not see what evolution value in that. More likely people become gay as result of environment, bad luck with opposite sex, mach easy available homo relationship. And then that relationship become ingrained. We are creatures of our experience. So, law that prohibit popularization of gay relationship designed to protect yang.
Why is the burden of proof that being homosexual is innate to said people. The law targets them if anything the burden of proof should be on that being homosexual in a choice. Else you're making a law that is wildly guessing.
And plus identical twin students that are separated at birth have proven that we aren't that much a product of our environment especially when it comes to who we are as a person, likes dislikes etc. Environment has a larger role in our standing in society though.
And if procreation is the old goal of sexual preferences why do we let sterile people marry non sterile people. Oh yes because evolution and eugenics are two different things. And largely humans don't follow normal evolution due to manipulation of stressors.
Thought I do not see what evolution value in that.
More likely people become gay as result of environment
Why are people born retarded or deformed, why are some people born really short or really tall just, seeing value is irreverent when it comes to metastization of human cells forming a baby. Your understanding of modern evolutionary theory is lacking just because you use the word evolution in your argument doesn't make it logical.
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Absolutely don't think athletes shouldn't go. Everyone went to Beijing which is just as bad, if not worse, in many ways.
However I think it would be awesome if some athlete who won a medal brought attention to this by bringing out "homosexual propaganda"during the award ceremony or something like that. Dare the Russians to jail the medalist, thus making them look more foolish and letting more people know about the situation.
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On August 02 2013 11:10 On_Slaught wrote:
Absolutely don't think athletes shouldn't go. Everyone went to Beijing which is just as bad, if not worse, in many ways.
However I think it would be awesome if some athlete who won a medal brought attention to this by bringing out "homosexual propaganda"during the award ceremony or something like that. Dare the Russians to jail the medalist, thus making them look more foolish and letting more people know about the situation.
thats why i thought bringing gay pride flags was a good idea.
that would qualify as propaganda right?
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On August 02 2013 11:10 On_Slaught wrote:
Absolutely don't think athletes shouldn't go. Everyone went to Beijing which is just as bad, if not worse, in many ways.
However I think it would be awesome if some athlete who won a medal brought attention to this by bringing out "homosexual propaganda"during the award ceremony or something like that. Dare the Russians to jail the medalist, thus making them look more foolish and letting more people know about the situation.
Good point, even less things were allowed in China. In the end it comes down to "their country, their rules". Local customs and laws should be respected.
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On August 02 2013 10:41 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:37 YangJia wrote:
It's so popular to defend homosexuals now days, same thing with blacks and women. If someone doesn't like gay people they are a horrible person, if Trayvon Martin attacks a white man and ends up losing the white man should spend his life in prison, if feminists annoy you then you're a male chauvinist.
If the government of a country decides it doesn't want homosexuals prancing around spreading their ideas at international events guess what, that's that country's decision to make. I'm not asking anyone to be happy about it, but wanting it changed is hypocritical. You're bashing an idea in defense of idealistic freedom? Good joke. What a cuntish human being you are.
A compelling argument indeed, go play with your duplo legos now.
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On August 02 2013 10:57 RandomPlayer wrote:
I didn't consider that a straight person may like gay ones, well ok then. It's just that our russian view is different on this.
I didn't consider that a white person may like black ones. Well, ok then. It's just that our southern view is different on this.
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On August 02 2013 11:16 YangJia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:41 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2013 10:37 YangJia wrote:
It's so popular to defend homosexuals now days, same thing with blacks and women. If someone doesn't like gay people they are a horrible person, if Trayvon Martin attacks a white man and ends up losing the white man should spend his life in prison, if feminists annoy you then you're a male chauvinist.
If the government of a country decides it doesn't want homosexuals prancing around spreading their ideas at international events guess what, that's that country's decision to make. I'm not asking anyone to be happy about it, but wanting it changed is hypocritical. You're bashing an idea in defense of idealistic freedom? Good joke. What a cuntish human being you are. A compelling argument indeed, go play with your duplo legos now.
Duplo and Lego are separate products man, same principle though.
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It's funny how voraciously people argue in support of homosexuals, claiming to be accepting of all others' ideas then BASH on people that have an opposing view. Bunch of fucking jokers.
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On August 02 2013 11:16 YangJia wrote:
It's so popular to defend homosexuals now days, same thing with blacks and women.
Cool, huh? The more decades that pass in the US, the more educated we become and the less we tend to irrationally hate other people for different religion, race, sexuality, gender, etc.
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Sounds fine to me, maybe the USA and other countries can continue to tell other countries what they can and cannot do. After all the USA is the world's police! Seems fine to me.
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On August 02 2013 11:04 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 11:00 semantics wrote:On August 02 2013 10:34 Mutineer wrote:
Well I have to defend the law. Law suppose to reflect will of the people, and in Russia majority of population look on Gay relationship as an illness. You may say that it is going against freedom of speech? But there are a lot of laws that do that.
I am sure you will be jailed if you do Jihad propaganda in State, Nazi propaganda in Europe. It's weird you say Law suppose to reflect the will of the people and end it with Jihad and Nazi states. When such set ups are be damed what the people want this is what the rulers of the state want. Although Nazism like Communism was a populist movement they did not consider what the people wanted rather told them what they wanted. Plus morality transcends any state , what is truly right or wrong isn't a group vote. Who decides what's "truly right or wrong"? The people with the biggest guns, so the USA I guess... No one's entitled anything in this world. You didn't choose to be born, or do anything special for it. Your mother had sex with your father, then you popped out-- same as when a bitch mates with another dog and pops out some pups. People have different beliefs and opinions than you; just because you think you know what's "right" doesn't make it so. The idea of morality terms from how we humans treat each other to further our cohabitation; so it's not an argument made on what one person's beliefs because beliefs is not an argument it's a shouting contest, it's an exercise of empathy. Morality is suppose to be flexible and dictated by rational thought although based on a unproven premise the rationalizations stem from.
You champion the idea that "might makes right" but fail to understand why societies are formed. Societies form to delegate the idea of "might makes right" away from the individual to a 3rd party the state. Allowing for rules and understanding to be formed on levels higher then just survival and to the ideas betterment.
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On August 02 2013 11:21 YangJia wrote:
It's funny how voraciously people argue in support of homosexuals, claiming to be accepting of all others' ideas then BASH on people that have an opposing view. Bunch of fucking jokers.
What's even funnier is that someone equates supporting human rights / social equality with "accepting all others' ideas [even bad ones]". And what's even funnier is that someone compares discrimination against things such as sexuality, race, gender with intolerance for ideas that support violating equality and other basic human rights
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On August 02 2013 11:25 jyuj wrote:
Sounds fine to me, maybe the USA and other countries can continue to tell other countries what they can and cannot do. After all the USA is the world's police! Seems fine to me.
What's the USA specifically have to do with an event that encompasses most of the world's nations?
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On August 02 2013 11:21 YangJia wrote:
It's funny how voraciously people argue in support of homosexuals, claiming to be accepting of all others' ideas then BASH on people that have an opposing view. Bunch of fucking jokers.
CLEARLY, we never claimed to be accepting all others' ideas. We never accepted the right to oppress.
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