On August 09 2013 03:43 heliusx wrote: Well its pretty obvious why someone who isn't familiar with gay family adoption may be put off by it. Probably more to do with ignorance than hate. You guys need to stop throwing those words around in the manner you do. Its counterproductive to your goals.
It's also pretty obvious that the person in question isn't just 'ignorant.' He said he finds gay people disgusting. I had a whole list in an earlier post detailing his harmful views. This isn't some innocent person that just happened to be worried about children.
On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote: I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness*
No, that's dumb. You don't support tolerance and open mindedness but also support intolerance and closed mindedness of other people.
What the hell is this new "Your not open minded at all. You are not in support of other people CHOICE repress gays and remove their ability to protest and speak freely. What kind of progressive are you?"(sneer face)
So we have the olympics in Beijing, China, a few years ago. In China, the government will literally kill your children if you have more than one. People get locked up in prison without trial or reason, where they are often mistreated and starved to death or tortured. No one bats an eyelid, and gold medals are passed around.
A few journalists make a note of Russia's political stance on sexuality before the next olympics even start, and everyone loses their f*** mind. People's reactions seem very misplaced in my opinion.
Please. Provide. Evidence.
*sigh*
You should really already know about the Chinese government's track record of human rights violation. It is not new. Nor hidden.
On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote: I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness*
No, that's dumb. You don't support tolerance and open mindedness but also support intolerance and closed mindedness of other people.
What the hell is this new "Your not open minded at all. You are not in support of other people CHOICE repress gays and remove their ability to protest and speak freely. What kind of progressive are you?"(sneer face)
So we have the olympics in Beijing, China, a few years ago. In China, the government will literally kill your children if you have more than one. People get locked up in prison without trial or reason, where they are often mistreated and starved to death or tortured. No one bats an eyelid, and gold medals are passed around.
A few journalists make a note of Russia's political stance on sexuality before the next olympics even start, and everyone loses their f*** mind. People's reactions seem very misplaced in my opinion.
Please. Provide. Evidence.
*sigh*
You should really already know about the Chinese government's track record of human rights violation. It is not new. Nor hidden.
So... you make a bunch of ridiculous claims then when asked for evidence you link some stuff not relevant to your claims from a single organization widely accused of ideological bias.
The Chinese government doesn't (and didn't) kill children if you have more than one, it used to be that they weren't eligible for state benefits (not taken care of by society), for a while now it's just a fine. The one-child policy is no longer enforced in a lot of areas. It's so obvious from a single post you're in your little shell happily circle-jerking with similarly ignorant people about how bad China is.
On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote: I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness*
No, that's dumb. You don't support tolerance and open mindedness but also support intolerance and closed mindedness of other people.
What the hell is this new "Your not open minded at all. You are not in support of other people CHOICE repress gays and remove their ability to protest and speak freely. What kind of progressive are you?"(sneer face)
So we have the olympics in Beijing, China, a few years ago. In China, the government will literally kill your children if you have more than one. People get locked up in prison without trial or reason, where they are often mistreated and starved to death or tortured. No one bats an eyelid, and gold medals are passed around.
A few journalists make a note of Russia's political stance on sexuality before the next olympics even start, and everyone loses their f*** mind. People's reactions seem very misplaced in my opinion.
Please. Provide. Evidence.
*sigh*
You should really already know about the Chinese government's track record of human rights violation. It is not new. Nor hidden.
So... you make a bunch of ridiculous claims then when asked for evidence you link some stuff not relevant to your claims from a single organization widely accused of ideological bias.
The Chinese government doesn't (and didn't) kill children if you have more than one, it used to be that they weren't eligible for state benefits (not taken care of by society), for a while now it's just a fine. The one-child policy is no longer enforced in a lot of areas. It's so obvious from a single post you're in your little shell happily circle-jerking with similarly ignorant people about how bad China is.
Maybe he might be talking about forced abortions, which happens but isn't nation-wide standard practice afaik.
The Chinese government doesn't (and didn't) kill children if you have more than one, it used to be that they weren't eligible for state benefits (not taken care of by society), for a while now it's just a fine. The one-child policy is no longer enforced in a lot of areas. It's so obvious from a single post you're in your little shell happily circle-jerking with similarly ignorant people about how bad China is.
Forced abortion isn't murder? China sure as fuck did kill children if the parents already had more than one, and you dismissing evidence with "oh they're biased hurr durr" doesn't mean jack shit. The one-child policy is still in effect in many areas if your subsequent children are girls, the government still turns a blind eye in many cases to gender-selective abortion and even to just abandoning your baby to die on a riverbank because it had the misfortune to be born a girl.
It's so obvious from a single post you're in your little shell happily circle-jerking with similarly ignorant people about how China is not so bad.
The Chinese government doesn't (and didn't) kill children if you have more than one, it used to be that they weren't eligible for state benefits (not taken care of by society), for a while now it's just a fine. The one-child policy is no longer enforced in a lot of areas. It's so obvious from a single post you're in your little shell happily circle-jerking with similarly ignorant people about how bad China is.
Forced abortion isn't murder? China sure as fuck did kill children if the parents already had more than one, and you dismissing evidence with "oh they're biased hurr durr" doesn't mean jack shit. The one-child policy is still in effect in many areas if your subsequent children are girls, the government still turns a blind eye in many cases to gender-selective abortion and even to just abandoning your baby to die on a riverbank because it had the misfortune to be born a girl.
It's so obvious from a single post you're in your little shell happily circle-jerking with similarly ignorant people about how China is not so bad.
Just a fine that can sometimes be large enough to financially ruin your family.
It's all one big conspiracy against China I'm sure...
lol I love reading your posts. I've seen you pop up in so many random threads with completely different topics, all of which you're extremely confident and have vast amounts of knowledge and deep experience with.
The Chinese government doesn't (and didn't) kill children if you have more than one, it used to be that they weren't eligible for state benefits (not taken care of by society), for a while now it's just a fine. The one-child policy is no longer enforced in a lot of areas. It's so obvious from a single post you're in your little shell happily circle-jerking with similarly ignorant people about how bad China is.
Forced abortion isn't murder? China sure as fuck did kill children if the parents already had more than one, and you dismissing evidence with "oh they're biased hurr durr" doesn't mean jack shit. The one-child policy is still in effect in many areas if your subsequent children are girls, the government still turns a blind eye in many cases to gender-selective abortion and even to just abandoning your baby to die on a riverbank because it had the misfortune to be born a girl.
It's so obvious from a single post you're in your little shell happily circle-jerking with similarly ignorant people about how China is not so bad.
Just a fine that can sometimes be large enough to financially ruin your family.
It's all one big conspiracy against China I'm sure...
Ever wonder why no one gave a shit about abuses in China before they became an international power? Btw, don't repeat what someone said and change it slightly to something that doesn't even make sense lol. Most obvious sign that your jimmies are rustled.
On August 15 2013 01:06 ne4aJIb wrote: It is in IOC rules to obey the laws of the country where Olympics held.
In 1936 countries threatened to boycot the olympics because the host pushed to ban black and Jewish athletes. Germany relented and allowed them to participate but many still chose not to. The result was Jewish persons were pulled off their teams at the last minuet and the Holocaust.
I have known Mr. Gilady since I was a kid; in fact, I grew up with his daughter. He had been supportive in the past regarding our plea for a moment of silence during the Opening Ceremonies, so we arrived with high hopes. Gilady informed us that a moment of silence was not possible because if the IOC had a moment of silence for the Israeli athletes, they would also have to do the same for the Palestinians who died at the Olympics in 1972.
My mother said, "But no Palestinian athletes died."
Gilady responded, "Well, there were Palestinians who died at the 1972 Olympics."
I heard one of the widows say to Gilady, "Are you equating the murder of my husband to the terrorists that killed him?"
Silence.
Edit: I should mention that the first link will probably make you angry.
On August 15 2013 01:06 ne4aJIb wrote: It is in IOC rules to obey the laws of the country where Olympics held.
In 1936 countries threatened to boycot the olympics because the host pushed to ban black and Jewish athletes. Germany relented and allowed them to participate but many still chose not to. The result was Jewish persons were pulled off their teams at the last minuet and the Holocaust.
On August 15 2013 01:06 ne4aJIb wrote: It is in IOC rules to obey the laws of the country where Olympics held.
In 1936 countries threatened to boycot the olympics because the host pushed to ban black and Jewish athletes. Germany relented and allowed them to participate but many still chose not to. The result was Jewish persons were pulled off their teams at the last minuet and the Holocaust.
if that's the plan for Sochi, it is very good.
I didn't follow. Did you call the Holocaust a very good plan?
In the past, if you wanted to have a second child in China, you had to pay a hefty fine. Exceptions: minority groups (not Han Chinese) can have two children. Also, if both husband and wife are only-children, they may have two kids (even if they are Han Chinese).
Now, the law isn't as strictly enforced, but people are still only having one child because it costs so much to raise kids these days.
On August 17 2013 01:47 29 fps wrote: In the past, if you wanted to have a second child in China, you had to pay a hefty fine. Exceptions: minority groups (not Han Chinese) can have two children. Also, if both husband and wife are only-children, they may have two kids (even if they are Han Chinese).
Now, the law isn't as strictly enforced, but people are still only having one child because it costs so much to raise kids these days.
heh so i guess that guy was way off when he said "the government will literally kill your children if you have more than one"
EPT
