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On August 02 2013 10:23 Artax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:22 RandomPlayer wrote:
That is the way to go about it! No gay propaganda, no rights to those perverts! I'm very satisfied with that, why are you people supporting this whilst only the minority of you is gay? The funny thing is that people who used to call this propaganda were exclusively bigots. Now it is just a factual description of reality.
What exactly is "Gay propaganda"? Do they think that they will somehow magically convert kids to being gay? Its so stupid it hurts my head and its just an excuse to suppress a group they don't like.
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in the opening cermony everyone should wave gay pride flags instead
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On August 02 2013 10:22 RandomPlayer wrote:
That is the way to go about it! No gay propaganda, no rights to those perverts! I'm very satisfied with that, why are you people supporting this whilst only the minority of you is gay?
yes good point why do anything good for anyone who I cant relate to?
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On August 02 2013 10:27 MarklarMarklarr wrote:
in the opening cermony everyone should wave gay pride flags instead
good idea actually.
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On August 02 2013 10:26 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:22 Rhaegal wrote:On August 02 2013 10:19 Slaughter wrote:On August 02 2013 10:15 Artax wrote:
There are people in the US who finish high school and can't read, practically doomed to a life of poverty. There are people outside the US who are starving, people oppressed, people tortured, and us spoiled westerners can't stop talking about gay "rights" like a paper that says marriage. I'm all for gay rights but this is becoming a fucking obsession that pushes out far more important issues... I'm just sick of hearing about it every single day and constantly harped on by the mainstream media because it gets views and clicks when there are so much more pressing concerns but those don't have an edgy controversial political bent to them which gets shallow people to opportunistically spout some self-righteousness without actually doing or accomplishing anything.... The whole thing is sickening and boring and stale and I can't wait for anything, anything at all to become the new yuppie flavor of the month issue because anything at all is better than this exaggerated victimization. /rant The "there are worse things out there to support so stop supporting this!" argument is sickening and boring and stale. That's not the argument he's making. He's commenting on how today's young, liberal crowd are harping on gay rights like it's the most important thing in the world, while billions of people starve and genocides are commited across the globe. Personally, I'm rather annoyed of yuppies. Kids that have never worked a day in their lives, pampered by mommy and daddy, that think they know everything about the world. They're completely non-comparable issues. Starvation is due to an extremely ingrained economic system, genocides are committed across the globe. Both are not ignored by 'yuppies', but people accept there's a limit to what they can fix, especially in the cases where you would have to undermine national sovereignty to fix it.
You are right, they are completely non-comparable issues, in terms of harm. Which makes the unproportional and one-sided media obsession so abhorrent.
I'm gonna leave this thread now, I won't derail the coming circle jerk any further.
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On August 02 2013 10:20 Artax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:18 semantics wrote:On August 02 2013 10:15 Artax wrote:
There are people in the US who finish high school and can't read, practically doomed to a life of poverty. There are people outside the US who are starving, people oppressed, people tortured, and us spoiled westerners can't stop talking about gay "rights" like a paper that says marriage. I'm all for gay rights but this is becoming a fucking obsession that pushes out far more important issues... I'm just sick of hearing about it every single day and constantly harped on by the mainstream media because it gets views and clicks when there are so much more pressing concerns but those don't have an edgy controversial political bent to them which gets shallow people to opportunistically spout some self-righteousness without actually doing or accomplishing anything.... The whole thing is sickening and boring and stale and I can't wait for anything, anything at all to become the new yuppie flavor of the month issue because anything at all is better than this exaggerated victimization. /rant Yes because the group complaining isn't on the complete bottom of the world totem pole of shit means their problems aren't real or matter. People can solve more then one problem at a time. Yes because that's exactly what I said. I said they don't matter. Because there's no difference at all between saying they matter absolutely nothing, and saying the 24/7 media endless media spam is abhorrent and disregards far more pressing issues. Do you people even think before you type out your angry responses?
Pretty sure the only anger in any of these posts are coming from you. Interesting choice to end that post with a shame sentence.
And plus it's your post in this thread, calling out this problem isn't that important we have more pressing issues, screw this thread's direction. If you have a problem with this thread start your own thread with links to problems stemming in Russia with their policies and human rights problems outside of the LBGT community.
All i pointed out is that it's how Russia treats the LBGT community is still a valid complaint and that people can work on more then one problem at a time. Saying this endless media spam disregards far more pressing issues is a matter of opinion, there are many reasons issues might not be brought up one of which is solutions to the problem and palatability to the general public. The problems with the LBGT community is far more black and white then alot of other issues there is very little gray area involved with the problem particular to Russia(not in general but where it stems in Russia)m and the solutions are clear.
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On August 02 2013 10:22 RandomPlayer wrote:
That is the way to go about it! No gay propaganda, no rights to those perverts! I'm very satisfied with that, why are you people supporting this whilst only the minority of you is gay?
You could ask the same thing about whites around the world who don't support anti-black discrimination. "Hey, the majority of your country is white, why are you guys supporting black equality?"
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Well I have to defend the law. Law suppose to reflect will of the people, and in Russia majority of population look on Gay relationship as an illness. You may say that it is going against freedom of speech? But there are a lot of laws that do that.
I am sure you will be jailed if you do Jihad propaganda in State, Nazi propaganda in Europe.
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On August 02 2013 10:04 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:02 Rhaegal wrote:On August 02 2013 09:58 IPA wrote:^ Trolls aren't even creative anymore.  Just another embarrassment for Putin & Co. The absurdity continues... Someone having a different opinion than yours doesn't make them a troll. If someone comes in and declares that the Earth is actually flat, and that scientists are actually occultists trying to convince the world to believe in demonic spheres, we'd call them a troll. Thinking that we need to have laws against homosexuality is on the same plane of stupidity.
Congratulations, you've just placed thousands of years worth of history and over 90% of the world's population on the plane of stupidity because they don't agree with you.
It's more like you're just used to letting off steam about this subject every now and then, and you're happy to find someone who doesn't share your opinion. Instantly proceed to call them stupid trolls.
It's their country, their laws. The article makes it very clear their goal was not to crack down on other people's rights, but rather to protect others'. It's harmless.
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On August 02 2013 10:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:22 RandomPlayer wrote:
That is the way to go about it! No gay propaganda, no rights to those perverts! I'm very satisfied with that, why are you people supporting this whilst only the minority of you is gay? You could ask the same thing about whites around the world who don't support anti-black discrimination. "Hey, the majority of your country is white, why are you guys supporting black equality?"
The devolped Western world is "right" and "true", the rest is wrong and backwards. Get with the times man 
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Northern Ireland25333 Posts
On August 02 2013 10:34 Mutineer wrote:
Well I have to defend the law. Law suppose to reflect will of the people, and in Russia majority of population look on Gay relationship as an illness. You may say that it is going against freedom of speech? But there are a lot of laws that do that.
I am sure you will be jailed if you do Jihad propaganda in State, Nazi propaganda in Europe.
Who's talking about that necessarily?
It's much more about the wisdom of the Olympics being awarded to a country with those kind of laws. It's not exclusively an issue with Russia, but about what the role of the Olympics is?
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It's so popular to defend homosexuals now days, same thing with blacks and women. If someone doesn't like gay people they are a horrible person, if Trayvon Martin attacks a white man and ends up losing the white man should spend his life in prison, if feminists annoy you then you're a male chauvinist.
If the government of a country decides it doesn't want homosexuals prancing around spreading their ideas at international events guess what, that's that country's decision to make. I'm not asking anyone to be happy about it, but wanting it changed is hypocritical. You're bashing an idea in defense of idealistic freedom? Good joke.
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On August 02 2013 10:35 EtherealBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:04 Shiori wrote:On August 02 2013 10:02 Rhaegal wrote:On August 02 2013 09:58 IPA wrote:^ Trolls aren't even creative anymore. Just another embarrassment for Putin & Co. The absurdity continues... Someone having a different opinion than yours doesn't make them a troll. If someone comes in and declares that the Earth is actually flat, and that scientists are actually occultists trying to convince the world to believe in demonic spheres, we'd call them a troll. Thinking that we need to have laws against homosexuality is on the same plane of stupidity. Congratulations, you've just placed thousands of years worth of history and over 90% of the world's population on the plane of stupidity because they don't agree with you. It's more like you're just used to letting off steam about this subject every now and then, and you're happy to find someone who doesn't share your opinion. Instantly proceed to call them stupid trolls. It's their country, their laws. The article makes it very clear their goal was not to crack down on other people's rights, but rather to protect others'. It's harmless.
Once upon a time >90% of the world's population thought a massive collection of gods existed. At another point in time they all thought the world was flat. Just because years of history and a majority of people agreed with something does not make it right.
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Northern Ireland25333 Posts
On August 02 2013 10:37 YangJia wrote:
It's so popular to defend homosexuals now days, same thing with blacks and women. If someone doesn't like gay people they are a horrible person, if Trayvon Martin attacks a white man and ends up losing the white man should spend his life in prison, if feminists annoy you then you're a male chauvinist.
If the government of a country decides it doesn't want homosexuals prancing around spreading their ideas at international events guess what, that's that country's decision to make. I'm not asking anyone to be happy about it, but wanting it changed is hypocritical. You're bashing an idea in defense of idealistic freedom? Good joke.
What a cuntish human being you are.
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On August 02 2013 10:36 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:On August 02 2013 10:22 RandomPlayer wrote:
That is the way to go about it! No gay propaganda, no rights to those perverts! I'm very satisfied with that, why are you people supporting this whilst only the minority of you is gay? You could ask the same thing about whites around the world who don't support anti-black discrimination. "Hey, the majority of your country is white, why are you guys supporting black equality?" The devolped Western world is "right" and "true", the rest is wrong and backwards. Get with the times man
Cop out, lol. Another way to interpret it would be there are more educated people in 'the western world' than there are in underdeveloped places such as Kenya, where homosexuality is still viewed as death-worthy. As a result more often than not, yes, with regard to human rights and social progress the western world tends to get it right more so than the less developed parts of the world.
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On August 02 2013 10:34 Mutineer wrote:
Well I have to defend the law. Law suppose to reflect will of the people, and in Russia majority of population look on Gay relationship as an illness. You may say that it is going against freedom of speech? But there are a lot of laws that do that.
I am sure you will be jailed if you do Jihad propaganda in State, Nazi propaganda in Europe.
You're wrong about that. Law and Democracy don't exist so the majority of people can rule over minorities in dictatorship fashion. Law is also their to protect minorities and to guarantee that they can express themselves freely and have the same rights as everybody else.
And what's going on in Russia is just horrible. I don't care if 90% of the Russian population is homophobic (although i hope that this isn't really the case) that doesn't mean that we should support it. In my opinion this whole thing should be canceled completely, in Russias current state it's the wrong place to hold an olympic competition.
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On August 02 2013 10:36 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:34 Mutineer wrote:
Well I have to defend the law. Law suppose to reflect will of the people, and in Russia majority of population look on Gay relationship as an illness. You may say that it is going against freedom of speech? But there are a lot of laws that do that.
I am sure you will be jailed if you do Jihad propaganda in State, Nazi propaganda in Europe. Who's talking about that necessarily? It's much more about the wisdom of the Olympics being awarded to a country with those kind of laws. It's not exclusively an issue with Russia, but about what the role of the Olympics is?
So you believe Olympics should be awarded only to small subset of countries which satisfy you? BTW that law actually have a very good point. No one prove that people born gay. And we all know that we are a product of our environment.
It is possible that some people gay inclined from cradle, Thought I do not see what evolution value in that.
More likely people become gay as result of environment, bad luck with opposite sex, mach easy available homo relationship.
And then that relationship become ingrained. We are creatures of our experience.
So, law that prohibit popularization of gay relationship designed to protect yang.
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On August 02 2013 10:54 Mutineer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:36 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2013 10:34 Mutineer wrote:
Well I have to defend the law. Law suppose to reflect will of the people, and in Russia majority of population look on Gay relationship as an illness. You may say that it is going against freedom of speech? But there are a lot of laws that do that.
I am sure you will be jailed if you do Jihad propaganda in State, Nazi propaganda in Europe. Who's talking about that necessarily? It's much more about the wisdom of the Olympics being awarded to a country with those kind of laws. It's not exclusively an issue with Russia, but about what the role of the Olympics is? So you believe Olympics should be awarded only to small subset of countries which satisfy you? BTW that law actually have a very good point. No one prove that people born gay. And we all know that we are a product of our environment. It is possible that some people gay inclined from cradle, Thought I do not see what evolution value in that. More likely people become gay as result of environment, bad luck with opposite sex, mach easy available homo relationship. And then that relationship become ingrained. We are creatures of our experience. So, law that prohibit popularization of gay relationship designed to protect yang.
The Olympics are bankrolled and sponsored by Western companies, holding the Olympics is considered something of a coup in terms of national prestige.
While ostensibly 'global' the Olympics are so entwined with Western values, that it comes with the territory.
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On August 02 2013 10:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:22 RandomPlayer wrote:
That is the way to go about it! No gay propaganda, no rights to those perverts! I'm very satisfied with that, why are you people supporting this whilst only the minority of you is gay? You could ask the same thing about whites around the world who don't support anti-black discrimination. "Hey, the majority of your country is white, why are you guys supporting black equality?"
I didn't consider that a straight person may like gay ones, well ok then. It's just that our russian view is different on this.
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