EPTRussia Plans To Enforce Anti-Gay Law at Olympics - Page 2
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courtpanda
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 02 2013 07:02 DannyJ wrote: I've still yet to understand exactly what they mean when they say "propagandize" in regards to this matter. To stop the Jehovahs Witnesses of Gaydom Obv. | ||
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QuackPocketDuck
410 Posts
I'm beginning to suspect it is not the gays that are fighting for their rights but there is a group of people who simply are into protesting, they don't give a fuck if its global warming, gay rights, or political issue they just gotta protest! In 1980 Moscow Olympics 60 or something countries boycotted the games (of cause US included) and why? because Russia went into Afghanistan.. lol?  The games were still successful and no one remember the boycott after 30 years. Maybe people should give up on trying to understand and approve the internal issues of countries they don't live in? as someone here said the majority of Russian people support this which I can definitely confirm. | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 02 2013 07:02 DannyJ wrote: I've still yet to understand exactly what they mean when they say "propagandize" in regards to this matter. It's pretty obvious. | ||
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PineapplePizza
United States749 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 02 2013 08:32 QuackPocketDuck wrote: Can someone explain to me why gay people have to be proud of their sexual orientation? I'm beginning to suspect it is not the gays that are fighting for their rights but there is a group of people who simply are into protesting, they don't give a fuck if its global warming, gay rights, or political issue they just gotta protest! In 1980 Moscow Olympics 60 or something countries boycotted the games (of cause US included) and why? because Russia went into Afghanistan.. lol? The games were still successful and no one remember the boycott after 30 years. Maybe people should give up on trying to understand and approve the internal issues of countries they don't live in? as someone here said the majority of Russian people support this which I can definitely confirm. Its a reaction to the negative shit that gay people have had to endure (making them feel inferior/sub-human etc) for just being gay. You turn it into something your proud of so you can rally people to your cause when your pushing for equal rights. If gay people were just treated as normal people then there wouldn't be a "gay pride" movement at all because they wouldn't need it. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 02 2013 08:37 Ooshmagoosh wrote: Propaganda? I don't even know where this whole "gays are conspiring to take over world" thing comes from. You don't understand how propaganda works then. To clarify so people don't get the wrong impression of what I just said - they're just using the word 'propaganda' as a pretext, much like any government uses it. Whatever the real reason for this law, I highly doubt Putin, whoever else was behind it, or anyone actually thinks "gays are conspiring to take over the world". | ||
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gosublade
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 02 2013 08:45 gosublade wrote: God damn.. the gov over there are just too scared that cock is delicious so they go apeshit.. Sad fucking community. Really? lol. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i think more positive things will happen than negative through this "PR" | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
The Olympics and the football World Cup have been so corrupted with money and become so overblown that this is what you get. It's a shame, and this is pretty rough, not as big a clusterfuck as the World Cup in Qatar. I have sympathy for Russian homosexuals who have to put up with prejudice all the time, but this is no worse than some of the things the Chinese populace had to put up with so that their nation could get a nice showcase. | ||
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naastyOne
491 Posts
Besides, boycoting is stupid, and it plays into Russia`s narrative of Evil, Vile, west, trying to teach russian children to be gays, so the russian population shrinks even futher. Having a strong homophobia is a normall state for most countries. Look at west itself, it barely crossed the homophobia barrier 20-30ish years ago. The best thing that can is stay open, not try to put pressure and let Russian gays convince their neighbours the same way that happened in west already. Any western attempt to pressure Russia for something most russians do not support will result in resistance and even stronger entrenchment of homophobia, since it would be much easier to make a case for "homosexuality is a terrible thing west tries to install on Russia to weaken it" or "West lost the war for families and now tries to level the field" if west actually tries to pressure Russia. Without external pressure, things would develop much easier, and faster, if gays would not be under constant susspicios of being a "whore of the west, doing it`s dirty buisness". | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On August 02 2013 08:51 naastyOne wrote: Russia is actually going to enforce the laws it has? Cmon, somebody is surprised? Besides, boycoting is stupid, and it plays into Russia`s narrative of Evil, Vile, west, trying to teach russian children to be gays, so the russian population shrinks even futher. Having a strong homophobia is a normall state for most countries. Look at west itself, it barely crossed the homophobia barrier 20-30ish years ago. The best thing that can is stay open, not try to put pressure and let Russian gays convince their neighbours the same way that happened in west already. Any western attempt to pressure Russia for something most russians do not support will result in resistance and even stronger entrenchment of homophobia, since it would be much easier to make a case for "homosexuality is a terrible thing west tries to install on Russia to weaken it" or "West lost the war for families and now tries to level the field" if west actually tries to pressure Russia. Without external pressure, things would develop much easier, and faster, if gays would not be under constant susspicios of being a "whore of the west, doing it`s dirty buisness". Quite ironic that in the not-so-distant past during the Cold War, homosexuals in the States were often tagged with the 'commie' brush. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
You know, the kind issues that concern and negatively affect the entirety of population in Russia, and have significantly more serious implications. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 02 2013 09:08 Talin wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense to call for boycotting the Olympics due to issues like government censorship, prosecution of political activists and opposition leaders? You know, the kind issues that concern and negatively affect the entirety of population in Russia, and have significantly more serious implications. While it seems possible to do both at the same time, the answer to your question is still yes. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On August 02 2013 07:32 Elroi wrote: It would be funny if the athletes took this in their own hands and started running around the stadium with the LGBT flag after winning a medal... That would make my day. I have a feeling that if nothing is changed by the time the Olympics come around at least a few will attempt to do this. What is Russia gonna do, take away their medal and arrest them in front of millions of people? | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On August 02 2013 08:32 QuackPocketDuck wrote: Can someone explain to me why gay people have to be proud of their sexual orientation? Could you explain to me why way more gay people have to hide their sexual orientation? I'm interested and totally listening. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On August 02 2013 09:17 Zooper31 wrote: I have a feeling that if nothing is changed by the time the Olympics come around at least a few will attempt to do this. What is Russia gonna do, take away their medal and arrest them in front of millions of people? I imagine if an athlete did this, they would be stripped of their medals. Tommie Smith and John Carlos lost their medals did a black power salute in 1968 and lost their medals. The Olympics should, ideally, not be a place for politics, and if a gay athlete chose to make it about politics, they would do so knowing full well the consequences. The Olympics is not a place to make a stand for social rights, it's an athletic competition independent of domestic politics. As much as I dislike Russia's treatment of homosexuals, turning the Olympics into a gay rights (or any social/political rights) movement or statement is something I wouldn't support. Don't turn something that is an athletic competition involving athletes from across the world, regardless of their domestic politics, into a showboat for your own cause. Hijacking the Olympics as a venue to promote gay rights, black rights, women's rights, white rights, or any other rights is not something I find particularly appropriate. Leave your politics at home. Russia isn't banning gay athletes, and there are countries invited to the Olympics (and medal) that do equally terrible things to their minority groups at home. Boycotting the Olympics in Russia because of this, yet not boycotting Beijing in 2012 (China's human rights) or Sydney in 2004 (Australian government stealing Australian Aboriginal children) would be hypocritical. We could come up with hundreds of equally justified reasons to boycott the Olympics when we start delving into the merits of the domestic politics of member nations. And yes, this is a moral outrage for Russia to do this. Just in case there is any confusion over that. | ||
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