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On August 08 2013 23:11 Xayoz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:00 shinosai wrote:
So just to be clear, you think a country should be allowed to do whatever it wants within its own borders, and no other country has a say in it. My ignorant opinion on this subject can be expressed by answering to this - as long as the majority of that country is for it - Yes. I do think any country can do, whatever, inside their borders.
So if 51% of Britain voted in favour of the police rounding up all non Brits living in Britain and putting them into Death Camps that would be perfectly legitimate?
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On August 08 2013 23:16 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:06 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 23:01 Christ the Redeemer wrote:
Source? Mainstream media (print, tv, etc) coverage or actual unequivocal critical position against NSA, legitimate website and not some obscure fan page in facebook or what not, or any legitimate source at all that Americans are really up in arms about the NSA and all the abuses by the US government. I'm still pretty curious how the NSA's problems make Russia's problems any better. I really want to swat you like a fly with your love for logical fallacy and lazy thinking, but I'll play nice. NO ONE is saying that because of NSA, we could forget about Russia. What I am saying is that it is hypocritical for some people, especially Americans, to really be so riled up on Russia's human rights violation while they seem pretty fine with the violations of their own government. Hypocrisy, that's all. So unless anyone can provide me a legitimate source that indeed America is all up in arms about violations by its own government, I think I rest my case,
It is not necessarily hypocritical to support the actions of the NSA while still being 'riled up' against Russia's human rights violations. It is a perfectly possible to not consider privacy a human right, while still considering gay rights as important.
Also, there is the possibility that Americans oppose both the actions of the NSA and the actions of the Russian government. Which would also mean that there is no hypocrisy.
It is indeed best that you rest your case, because your case is terrible.
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reading this thread i assumed the whole world community turned into homosexual society
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On August 08 2013 23:46 sickless wrote:
reading this thread i assumed the whole world community turned into homosexual society
Did you not pick up your free condoms on the way into the thread? I'll have a word with the bouncers.
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On August 08 2013 23:46 sickless wrote:
reading this thread i assumed the whole world community turned into homosexual society
Right, because not wanting to persecute homosexuals means you must be one too.
Just like being anti slave trade makes you black, or anti holocaust makes you jewish or anti holodomor makes you Ukranian.
You Russians slay me, you really do.
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On August 02 2013 09:37 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 08:32 QuackPocketDuck wrote:
Can someone explain to me why gay people have to be proud of their sexual orientation?
Could you explain to me why way more gay people have to hide their sexual orientation? I'm interested and totally listening.
They don't have to hide it. They just have to act normally. Heterosexuals don't go around shouting "I'm straight, WOO, straight pride 4 life!", so Homosexuals shouldn't either. There's just no need for it.
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On August 08 2013 23:35 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:29 maybenexttime wrote:On August 08 2013 23:16 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:12 maybenexttime wrote:On August 08 2013 22:52 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 22:48 maybenexttime wrote:On August 08 2013 21:10 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 20:03 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 19:45 n0ise wrote:We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. What if a completely blind-born person would participate in a particular (doable) sport at the olympics. He's not normal, he's definitely not similar to 99% of the population. Do you go about beating, persecuting and banning him from the event? No, not unless you're living in the 7th fucking century. Which is kinda the point everyone's trying to make. Why do you think that in Russia gays are being beaten persecuted and banned from sport? You are completely and totaly wrong. Goverment does not support persecuton of gays. If someone says "gee, gays should get the same marriage rights." That person is breaking the law. Thats exactly the kind of Orwellian bullshit that even homophobes should not support. But I guess you hate gay people enough to take away your own rights. Most impressive. And I enjoyed your nonsense comparisons to Snowden and Manning, somehow comparing the right to assembly to whistleblowers. Hate to break it to you, but in America people protest everything all the time. I would know, I live in DC. Just last week a bunch of "ex-gays" protested the supreme court about some nonsense. We didnt arrest them. Because we believe in free speech. The fact that your country has a history of being a totalitarian hellhole should make this all the more concerning to you. Oh sorry, that's probably waaay over your head. Continue talking about how homosexuality is "unnatural." It's all you know. And many western countries have it the other way round. Say "homosexuality is sinful" and you'll get arrested (recently an American pastor got arrested in England for doing just that, I believe). Say that the number of Holocaust victims might need revision and you might have to serve some jail time. Neither party cares about freedom of speech or equality. The same applies to most influential feminists nowadays, who couldn't care less about men getting the short end of the stick (false rape accusations, child custody, etc.). Source please or stop the equivocation. And yes people do care about free speech. Look up the ACLU. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/u.s.-street-preacher-arrested-in-london-for-using-homophobic-languagehttp://www.lifesitenews.com/news/homosexuality-an-area-of-special-protection-to-uk-govt-police-uk-barrister/From what I understand Italy wants to introduce a similar law (that will make religious preaching against homosexual acts illegal): http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/hundreds-expected-to-protest-anti-free-speech-homophobia-law-in-rome-parishttp://www.lifesitenews.com/news/anti-homophobia-transphobia-bill-could-silence-christians-italian-family-grThen you have countries that want to outlaw the words like "father" and "mother" and replace them with "parent A" and "parent B" or such (I believe France wants to introduce such a law). Or countries that want to outlaw gender-specific toilets or force men to urinate while sitting (was that Sweden?). All in all, both sides just want to legally enforce their respective agendas. Yes and those countries outlaw hate speach because they have issues with peopel attempting to start riots or there is a risk the speaker would be harmed. Even the US stops rallies if there is a large thread of violence. And I would be ok with Russia limiting free speech if they had good reason to beleive that it could cause a riot at the Olympics or lead to a lot of people getting hurt. People have a right to be safe. But that is not the reasoning they are providing. Well, in that case you just justified what Russia did, lol. (Although I find your first paragraph ridiculous. Limiting free speech for people's own sake, really?) They do it all the time. Once someone becomes endangered, it is up to the police to protect them, endangering them as well. Of course their are limits and if people pressed the issue, I am sure they couldn't stop them from speaking, but may want demand the person move the date or change the venue. Freedom of Speech is limited and always has been. And I would accept that as Russia's reasoning. But they have not put forth that as their reasoning and there is strong evidence they simply wish to limit the speech of gays and their ability to protest.
The thing is, western countries don't limit free speech, etc. to protect, say, preachers preaching against acts of homosexuality. Your justification is made up and is not how those countries justify it in the least. You can watch the video in one of the articles I provided. The police officer did not say "Sir, I have to arrest you, lest you get lynched by a raging mob of homosexuals." He said "Sir, I have to arrest you because what you did qualifies as hate speech." The purpose is limiting freedom of speech.
edit: It is no different from Islamic countries forbidding any criticism of Koran or the prophet.
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On August 08 2013 23:52 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 09:37 m4inbrain wrote:On August 02 2013 08:32 QuackPocketDuck wrote:
Can someone explain to me why gay people have to be proud of their sexual orientation?
Could you explain to me why way more gay people have to hide their sexual orientation? I'm interested and totally listening. They don't have to hide it. They just have to act normally. Heterosexuals don't go around shouting "I'm straight, WOO, straight pride 4 life!", so Homosexuals shouldn't either. There's just no need for it.
Can they kiss their girlfriend in public? Can they talk about relationship problems they're having? Can they have political opinions about free speech? Because these are normal people things.
And actually I know plenty of guys who talk about the hot girl they banged or whatever. Apparently that's considered normal for some reason.
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On August 08 2013 23:52 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 09:37 m4inbrain wrote:On August 02 2013 08:32 QuackPocketDuck wrote:
Can someone explain to me why gay people have to be proud of their sexual orientation?
Could you explain to me why way more gay people have to hide their sexual orientation? I'm interested and totally listening. They don't have to hide it. They just have to act normally. Heterosexuals don't go around shouting "I'm straight, WOO, straight pride 4 life!", so Homosexuals shouldn't either. There's just no need for it.
You're kidding. You can't tell a gay teenager that being gay is ok in Russia, that's breaking the law.
That's a far cry from "acting normally" - whatever that exceptionally dumb phrase means.
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French kissing your girlfriend in public places is kinda frowned upon though when adults do it,unless its like a short kiss or in some clubs/dancings/on the beach/in the park. It realy is not that common. I dont see it every day at least.(luckily i might add)
Thread is kinda fun btw, are swedes realy eliminating gender toilets and "forcing" man to take a piss sitting?
Seems like a waste of resources, a male urinoir is cheaper then a full toilet.
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On August 08 2013 23:59 Rassy wrote:
French kissing your girlfriend in public places is kinda frowned upon though when adults do it,unless its like a short kiss or in some clubs/dancings/on the beach/in the park. It realy is not that common. I dont see it every day at least.(luckily i might add)
He didn't say french kissing, and way to totally miss the point.
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Cheer up, you all are so angry
Live and let live. Dont let people who see things different ruin your day. Your not living in rusia.
Meh nvm this lol.
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On August 08 2013 23:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:46 sickless wrote:
reading this thread i assumed the whole world community turned into homosexual society Right, because not wanting to persecute homosexuals means you must be one too. Just like being anti slave trade makes you black, or anti holocaust makes you jewish or anti holodomor makes you Ukranian. You Russians slay me, you really do.
You shouldn't care about something in what you don't take in. Why would you, for example in russia, pay attention to hordes of workers from asia, who are working just everywhere in Moscow. Like it doesn't really relates to you unless they hurt someone of your friends, but whenever they do you change your mind immediatly. But man seriously, do you enjoy watching gays on tvs or kissing everywhere on the street? It's against the law of nature, this is not how the humanity lived for thousands years, we are not meant for this, but ok, since we have democracy, please be gays, but don't make other people to think it is normal. What do we mean under propaganda? It's simple, millions of people are watching tv, and even more children, do you really want your child to see kissing men and then he will try to repeat it? The mind of kid is not formed yet, at least until 16, he shouldn't choose it at that age.
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On August 09 2013 00:07 sickless wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 08 2013 23:46 sickless wrote:
reading this thread i assumed the whole world community turned into homosexual society Right, because not wanting to persecute homosexuals means you must be one too. Just like being anti slave trade makes you black, or anti holocaust makes you jewish or anti holodomor makes you Ukranian. You Russians slay me, you really do. You shouldn't care about something in what you don't take in. Why would you, for example in russia, pay attention to hordes of workers from asia, who are working just everywhere in Moscow. Like it doesn't really relates to you unless they hurt someone of your friends, but whenever they do you change your mind immediatly. But man seriously, do you enjoy watching gays on tvs or kissing everywhere on the street? It's against the law of nature, this is not how the humanity lived for thousands years, we are not meant for this, but ok, since we have democracy, please be gays, but don't make other people to think it is normal. What do we mean under propaganda? It's simple, millions of people are watching tv, and even more children, do you really want your child to see kissing men and then he will try to repeat it? The mind of kid is not formed yet, at least until 16, he shouldn't choose it at that age.
Very open minded and thought out. You are a prince of tolerance.
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On August 08 2013 22:27 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:23 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 22:14 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 22:09 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 21:10 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 20:03 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 19:45 n0ise wrote:We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. What if a completely blind-born person would participate in a particular (doable) sport at the olympics. He's not normal, he's definitely not similar to 99% of the population. Do you go about beating, persecuting and banning him from the event? No, not unless you're living in the 7th fucking century. Which is kinda the point everyone's trying to make. Why do you think that in Russia gays are being beaten persecuted and banned from sport? You are completely and totaly wrong. Goverment does not support persecuton of gays. Oh sorry, that's probably waaay over your head. Continue talking about how homosexuality is "unnatural." It's all you know. You only think that homosexuality is natural or you have very solid evidences? Would you care to share them with me. I honestly wish to know why do you think why homosexuality is natural. And please be more polite in your posts because from some of your remarks I start to believe that your tolerance is only limited with gay. Do you come or do you not come from the most tolerant society toward all other people and their beliefs? What are your reasons to think homosexuality is not 'natural', exactly? My reason is very simple. There live about 7 bln people on earth right now. All 7 bln people were born from hetero couples. There is no single person who was born from gay couple. So we have 7 bln evidences that hetero couple are normal and 0 evidences that gay couple are normal. I have been searching long and far for the dumbest argument. My long search is over. What will I do now? Will I find more meaning to my life? My search may be over, but my life has only just begun.
It's funny to us, but yeah, this is how a lot of people from this region think. It's deeply ingrained into the culture. It's quite fascinating.
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maybe we should tell him that thousands of years ago many of the leaders were openly gay
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On August 08 2013 23:46 sickless wrote:
reading this thread i assumed the whole world community turned into homosexual society
i find it amusing and shocking at the same time how little the very basics of western society are understood by people not coming form a western country.
the concept of universal rights must be very hard to grasp.
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On August 09 2013 00:12 ComaDose wrote:
maybe we should tell him that thousands of years ago many of the leaders were openly gay
Shhhhhhhh we don't talk about that, its to easy.
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But man seriously, do you enjoy watching gays on tvs or kissing everywhere on the street?
Doesn't matter it isn't hurting anyone, so why stop people from doing it?
It's against the law of nature, this is not how the humanity lived for thousands years,
No it's not against the "law of nature" , homosexuality is common under all species and yes humanity has lived with it since thousands of years. Or do you think people started being gay 20 years ago?
What do we mean under propaganda? It's simple, millions of people are watching tv, and even more children, do you really want your child to see kissing men and then he will try to repeat it? shouldn't choose it at that age.
Propaganda implies some kind of manipulative influence, which is not the case because you are either gay or not. Can't do anything about it.
I suggest you take a biology course before you start bragging about what's "natural".
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On August 09 2013 00:07 sickless wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 08 2013 23:46 sickless wrote:
reading this thread i assumed the whole world community turned into homosexual society Right, because not wanting to persecute homosexuals means you must be one too. Just like being anti slave trade makes you black, or anti holocaust makes you jewish or anti holodomor makes you Ukranian. You Russians slay me, you really do. You shouldn't care about something in what you don't take in. Why would you, for example in russia, pay attention to hordes of workers from asia, who are working just everywhere in Moscow. Like it doesn't really relates to you unless they hurt someone of your friends, but whenever they do you change your mind immediatly. But man seriously, do you enjoy watching gays on tvs or kissing everywhere on the street? It's against the law of nature, this is not how the humanity lived for thousands years, we are not meant for this, but ok, since we have democracy, please be gays, but don't make other people to think it is normal. What do we mean under propaganda? It's simple, millions of people are watching tv, and even more children, do you really want your child to see kissing men and then he will try to repeat it? The mind of kid is not formed yet, at least until 16, he shouldn't choose it at that age.
Dude, it's two guys kissing. Who cares? Are you really that immature and childish? Grow up.
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