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The petition is up to what, 50,000 now? I know I won't be watching if it's still held in Russia.
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On August 08 2013 22:42 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:33 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. Don't know where the fuck you've been, dear, but Americans complain about America all the time. Really love? So why the fuck is the NSA still doing what it has been illegally doing all these years? Where are these complaints you are talking about? Who are these complainants? It seems you are a little out of touch with reality,
As you appear to have no grasp of how the world works or how to read properly, I guess I'll leave talking to you to others.
edit: see Snowden.
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On August 08 2013 22:37 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. ??? There's plenty of rage? You do know that the Iraq war is massively unpopular right? I think the drone strikes have been plummeting in popularity the more people learn about them. And public support is generally on Snowdens side just because people don't like surveillance. Congress has had a single digit approval rating for a while. Americans are incredibly critical of their government. We have been throughout history. It's practically our pastime.
The height of ignorance. I can't believe my eyes ready something either totally naive or totally stupid. Throughout history? Let me remind you that barely ten years ago your government with your poeple's complicit supports attacked Iraq under the justification of WMD? And public support on Snowden and single digit approval rating? Lol what ridiculous if not unintentionally hilarious thing to read so early in the morning. Keep your public opinion and statistics to yourself. The point of being critical and complaining is action. So far, you are all talk (not even) and no action.
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On August 08 2013 22:42 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:33 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. Don't know where the fuck you've been, dear, but Americans complain about America all the time. Really love? So why the fuck is the NSA still doing what it has been illegally doing all these years? Where are these complaints you are talking about? Who are these complainants? It seems you are a little out of touch with reality,
You do know that was a secret government program that even most congressmen didn't know about, right?
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On August 08 2013 22:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:42 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On August 08 2013 22:33 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. Don't know where the fuck you've been, dear, but Americans complain about America all the time. Really love? So why the fuck is the NSA still doing what it has been illegally doing all these years? Where are these complaints you are talking about? Who are these complainants? It seems you are a little out of touch with reality, As you appear to have no grasp of how the world works or how to read properly, I guess I'll leave talking to you to others. edit: see Snowden.
lol another idiotic response and ad hom. See Snowden hide you mean? If there is such massive support towards him, why is he hiding? Why cant the people protect him from the government they think is wrong on this issue? ANSWER THIS OR SHUT UP!
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:46 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:37 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. ??? There's plenty of rage? You do know that the Iraq war is massively unpopular right? I think the drone strikes have been plummeting in popularity the more people learn about them. And public support is generally on Snowdens side just because people don't like surveillance. Congress has had a single digit approval rating for a while. Americans are incredibly critical of their government. We have been throughout history. It's practically our pastime. The height of ignorance. I can't believe my eyes ready something either totally naive or totally stupid. Throughout history? Let me remind you that barely ten years ago your government with your poeple's complicit supports attacked Iraq under the justification of WMD? And public support on Snowden and single digit approval rating? Lol what ridiculous if not unintentionally hilarious thing to read so early in the morning. Keep your public opinion and statistics to yourself. The point of being critical and complaining is action. So far, you are all talk (not even) and no action.
Just lol. Really?
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On August 08 2013 21:10 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 20:03 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 19:45 n0ise wrote:We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. What if a completely blind-born person would participate in a particular (doable) sport at the olympics. He's not normal, he's definitely not similar to 99% of the population. Do you go about beating, persecuting and banning him from the event? No, not unless you're living in the 7th fucking century. Which is kinda the point everyone's trying to make. Why do you think that in Russia gays are being beaten persecuted and banned from sport? You are completely and totaly wrong. Goverment does not support persecuton of gays. If someone says "gee, gays should get the same marriage rights." That person is breaking the law. Thats exactly the kind of Orwellian bullshit that even homophobes should not support. But I guess you hate gay people enough to take away your own rights. Most impressive. And I enjoyed your nonsense comparisons to Snowden and Manning, somehow comparing the right to assembly to whistleblowers. Hate to break it to you, but in America people protest everything all the time. I would know, I live in DC. Just last week a bunch of "ex-gays" protested the supreme court about some nonsense. We didnt arrest them. Because we believe in free speech. The fact that your country has a history of being a totalitarian hellhole should make this all the more concerning to you. Oh sorry, that's probably waaay over your head. Continue talking about how homosexuality is "unnatural." It's all you know.
And many western countries have it the other way round. Say "homosexuality is sinful" and you'll get arrested (recently an American pastor got arrested in England for doing just that, I believe). Say that the number of Holocaust victims might need revision and you might have to serve some jail time.
Neither party cares about freedom of speech or equality. The same applies to most influential feminists nowadays, who couldn't care less about men getting the short end of the stick (false rape accusations, child custody, etc.).
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Quit the bickering back and forth. If you have a point to make, make it.
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On August 08 2013 22:46 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:42 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On August 08 2013 22:33 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. Don't know where the fuck you've been, dear, but Americans complain about America all the time. Really love? So why the fuck is the NSA still doing what it has been illegally doing all these years? Where are these complaints you are talking about? Who are these complainants? It seems you are a little out of touch with reality, You do know that was a secret government program that even most congressmen didn't know about, right?
Om Jesus are you seriously this retarded? We are talking about it NOW. NOW THAT THE ISSUE IS OUT. Why are there still no complaints or massive action (which you think is happening in your naive little mind) NOW?
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On August 08 2013 22:46 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:37 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. ??? There's plenty of rage? You do know that the Iraq war is massively unpopular right? I think the drone strikes have been plummeting in popularity the more people learn about them. And public support is generally on Snowdens side just because people don't like surveillance. Congress has had a single digit approval rating for a while. Americans are incredibly critical of their government. We have been throughout history. It's practically our pastime. The height of ignorance. I can't believe my eyes ready something either totally naive or totally stupid. Throughout history? Let me remind you that barely ten years ago your government with your poeple's complicit supports attacked Iraq under the justification of WMD? And public support on Snowden and single digit approval rating? Lol what ridiculous if not unintentionally hilarious thing to read so early in the morning. Keep your public opinion and statistics to yourself. The point of being critical and complaining is action. So far, you are all talk (not even) and no action.
Yea, public support of Iraq changed pretty rapidly. Not sure where you've been the last ten years.
Oh, so sorry to trouble you with things like statistics, facts, and math. Continue to live in your fairy tale land.
And might I remind you that because this is the Internet you have no goddamn clue what I have or have not done as far as action.
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On August 08 2013 22:42 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:33 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. Don't know where the fuck you've been, dear, but Americans complain about America all the time. Really love? So why the fuck is the NSA still doing what it has been illegally doing all these years? Where are these complaints you are talking about? Who are these complainants? It seems you are a little out of touch with reality,
Our country is flawed, it is true. But we still can object to what Russia is doing.
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On August 08 2013 22:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. Don't know where the fuck you've been, dear, but Americans complain about America all the time.
Well it is kinda rare on this forums i have to admit,americans can be verry patriotic and dont like to attack their own country on serious isues of their forgeign politics ,its mostly republicans against democrats discussions about internal economic affairs wich pop up here.
Even the nasa spying thread had manny americans in it wich said they where fine with it and that it wasnt such a big isue since "all countrys do it all the time"
All mike wanted to say i think is that things beeing more or less common in nature is not a good moral guideline for humanity thereby also somewhat refuting his own argument in an earlier post. He formulated it in a bad way though.
From an evolutionary and reproduction point of vieuw beeing gay is not "natural",I dont see how it can be.
It does not contribute to mixing genes nor does it lead to reproduction (even for ivf you do need a cell from the other gender), its a sort of luxery.
But sex isnt only for reproduction, its also for pleasure and i dont realy see what is wrong with that. Strait couples also have sex without the aim to reproduce.
The neonazi argument from the mod i find equally offensive btw, it is formulated in a bad way and somewhat sugesting that everyone who is "against" beeing gay is also a neonazi.
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On August 08 2013 22:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:42 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On August 08 2013 22:33 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. Don't know where the fuck you've been, dear, but Americans complain about America all the time. Really love? So why the fuck is the NSA still doing what it has been illegally doing all these years? Where are these complaints you are talking about? Who are these complainants? It seems you are a little out of touch with reality, As you appear to have no grasp of how the world works or how to read properly, I guess I'll leave talking to you to others. edit: see Snowden.
lol another idiotic response and ad hom. See Snowden hide you mean? If there is such massive support towards him, why is he hiding? Why cant the people protect him from the government they think is wrong on this issue? ANSWER THIS OR SHUT UP!
marvellosity ANSWER THIS
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On August 08 2013 22:48 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:10 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 20:03 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 19:45 n0ise wrote:We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. What if a completely blind-born person would participate in a particular (doable) sport at the olympics. He's not normal, he's definitely not similar to 99% of the population. Do you go about beating, persecuting and banning him from the event? No, not unless you're living in the 7th fucking century. Which is kinda the point everyone's trying to make. Why do you think that in Russia gays are being beaten persecuted and banned from sport? You are completely and totaly wrong. Goverment does not support persecuton of gays. If someone says "gee, gays should get the same marriage rights." That person is breaking the law. Thats exactly the kind of Orwellian bullshit that even homophobes should not support. But I guess you hate gay people enough to take away your own rights. Most impressive. And I enjoyed your nonsense comparisons to Snowden and Manning, somehow comparing the right to assembly to whistleblowers. Hate to break it to you, but in America people protest everything all the time. I would know, I live in DC. Just last week a bunch of "ex-gays" protested the supreme court about some nonsense. We didnt arrest them. Because we believe in free speech. The fact that your country has a history of being a totalitarian hellhole should make this all the more concerning to you. Oh sorry, that's probably waaay over your head. Continue talking about how homosexuality is "unnatural." It's all you know. And many western countries have it the other way round. Say "homosexuality is sinful" and you'll get arrested (recently an American pastor got arrested in England for doing just that, I believe). Say that the number of Holocaust victims might need revision and you might have to serve some jail time. Neither party cares about freedom of speech or equality. The same applies to most influential feminists nowadays, who couldn't care less about men getting the short end of the stick (false rape accusations, child custody, etc.).
Source please or stop the equivocation. And yes people do care about free speech. Look up the ACLU.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
CTR, Double Reed / Plansix answered it well enough, there's no reason for me to say anything else about it to you.
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On August 08 2013 22:50 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:46 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 22:42 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On August 08 2013 22:33 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. Don't know where the fuck you've been, dear, but Americans complain about America all the time. Really love? So why the fuck is the NSA still doing what it has been illegally doing all these years? Where are these complaints you are talking about? Who are these complainants? It seems you are a little out of touch with reality, You do know that was a secret government program that even most congressmen didn't know about, right? Om Jesus are you seriously this retarded? We are talking about it NOW. NOW THAT THE ISSUE IS OUT. Why are there still no complaints or massive action (which you think is happening in your naive little mind) NOW? User was warned for this post
What exactly do you want to see from us? Because maybe you should look up if we're doing those things, first.
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On August 08 2013 22:50 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:46 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 22:42 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On August 08 2013 22:33 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. Don't know where the fuck you've been, dear, but Americans complain about America all the time. Really love? So why the fuck is the NSA still doing what it has been illegally doing all these years? Where are these complaints you are talking about? Who are these complainants? It seems you are a little out of touch with reality, You do know that was a secret government program that even most congressmen didn't know about, right? Om Jesus are you seriously this retarded? We are talking about it NOW. NOW THAT THE ISSUE IS OUT. Why are there still no complaints or massive action (which you think is happening in your naive little mind) NOW? User was warned for this post
There is action. Our congress is reviewing it and making is more transparent. They are working on better oversite and we know more about the program every day. And they have also proven that it is effective at warning of terrorist attacks, hence the shut down of US embassys this week.
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Source? Mainstream media (print, tv, etc) coverage or actual unequivocal critical position against NSA, legitimate website and not some obscure fan page in facebook or what not, or any legitimate source at all that Americans are really up in arms about the NSA and all the abuses by the US government.
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On August 08 2013 22:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:50 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On August 08 2013 22:46 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 22:42 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On August 08 2013 22:33 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 22:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:It is more moronic for someone to resort to ad hom in a discussion like this. The issue is not that you cannot complain about oppression in other countries. The issue is, especially among Americans who claim themselves to be the world`s police and moral center, they are fast to complain about "problems" in other countries, yet do not even bother to raise a finger towards problems commited by their own culture and government, often far greater, such as those I mentioned: military intervention, breach of privacy, terrorism, etc. Yeah you can complain about gender equality in Russia, but where is the rage in all the human rights violation commited by America? Where is the rage? We have a word for this - HYPROCRISY. Don't know where the fuck you've been, dear, but Americans complain about America all the time. Really love? So why the fuck is the NSA still doing what it has been illegally doing all these years? Where are these complaints you are talking about? Who are these complainants? It seems you are a little out of touch with reality, You do know that was a secret government program that even most congressmen didn't know about, right? Om Jesus are you seriously this retarded? We are talking about it NOW. NOW THAT THE ISSUE IS OUT. Why are there still no complaints or massive action (which you think is happening in your naive little mind) NOW? User was warned for this post There is action. Our congress is reviewing it and making is more transparent. They are working on better oversite and we know more about the program every day. And they have also proven that it is effective at warning of terrorist attacks, hence the shut down of US embassys this week.
Nope on the last part. It's helped against terrorists in at most one case.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 08 2013 23:01 Christ the Redeemer wrote:
Source? Mainstream media (print, tv, etc) coverage or actual unequivocal critical position against NSA, legitimate website and not some obscure fan page in facebook or what not, or any legitimate source at all that Americans are really up in arms about the NSA and all the abuses by the US government.
I'm still pretty curious how the NSA's problems make Russia's problems any better.
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