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On August 08 2013 19:45 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. What if a completely blind-born person would participate in a particular (doable) sport at the olympics. He's not normal, he's definitely not similar to 99% of the population. Do you go about beating, persecuting and banning him from the event? No, not unless you're living in the 7th fucking century. Which is kinda the point everyone's trying to make.
Why do you think that in Russia gays are being beaten persecuted and banned from sport?
You are completely and totaly wrong. Goverment does not support persecuton of gays.
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On August 08 2013 19:54 MidKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:20 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 18:51 MidKnight wrote:On August 08 2013 18:12 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 17:57 MidKnight wrote:On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden? This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges. Do you really think that having rights as long as people don't know something about you counts? Would they have all those rights if they admitted to being gay? "Do whatever you want, but don't tell us about it" is NOT in any way tolerant. It makes a significant % of the population feel bad about their lives because they cannot be who they are openly. And that has nothing to do with "putting your sexuality on the pedestal", it's just being a normal human being like being allowed to hold hands or kiss in public. What laws like this do is keep increasing intolerance, majority of the population STILL think that "homosexuals are sick perverts on the same level with pedophiles or zoophiles and need mental health". I hope you know why this kind of belief is harmful. Yes they would have all this rights. Do you honestly think that in Russia police ask every single person if they are gay or not and put gays in black list and does everithing to make their life worse? It has nothing to do with police. You are hiding intolerance by basically saying "Be gay, but don't tell anyone about it and it's all good". This is the issue here. People can be straight, show their affection, be "proud of it" while gays are treated as someone "sick". The point is that majority of population still belive that homosexuality is some kind of disease or "mental disorder". Which is simply factually incorrect. Laws like this don't help the cause. Do you live in Russia?How do you know then? We dont belive that homosexuality is some kind of disease or "mental disorder". Not at all. We dont much care what they do at home in bed. Its their business. We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. I live in a post soviet country where people have very similar attitudes. See, the thing is that it's not just "what people do in bedroom". Sexuality is something everyone should be comfortable with. Again, the great example, which you didn't address is holding hands or kissing in public. Why can straight couples do that with no problem, while gays wouldn't be able to without discrimination? You can pretend it's not the case, but you very well know how it works. Most people feel "disgusted" if they saw something like that. That's the problem. Laws like this prevent people from being who they are. And if you define normal like that. What about people who are born without legs or arms? They are even less common than 1%. Can they show themselves in public and why aren't there laws to prevent that? The whole thing comes down to a belief that kids seeing gays will somehow make them more likely to be gay or that homosexuality is a perversion. Both of which are ridiculous to any rational human being.
Am I missing something?
Where it is written that this law forbids gay to kiss or to hold each over hand in public?
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On August 08 2013 20:03 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:45 n0ise wrote:We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. What if a completely blind-born person would participate in a particular (doable) sport at the olympics. He's not normal, he's definitely not similar to 99% of the population. Do you go about beating, persecuting and banning him from the event? No, not unless you're living in the 7th fucking century. Which is kinda the point everyone's trying to make. Why do you think that in Russia gays are being beaten persecuted and banned from sport? You are completely and totaly wrong. Goverment does not support persecuton of gays.
Only the suppression of their right to free speech, which is the same thing as oppressing them.
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On August 08 2013 20:03 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:45 n0ise wrote:We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. What if a completely blind-born person would participate in a particular (doable) sport at the olympics. He's not normal, he's definitely not similar to 99% of the population. Do you go about beating, persecuting and banning him from the event? No, not unless you're living in the 7th fucking century. Which is kinda the point everyone's trying to make. Why do you think that in Russia gays are being beaten persecuted and banned from sport? You are completely and totaly wrong. Goverment does not support persecuton of gays.
If someone says "gee, gays should get the same marriage rights." That person is breaking the law. Thats exactly the kind of Orwellian bullshit that even homophobes should not support. But I guess you hate gay people enough to take away your own rights. Most impressive.
And I enjoyed your nonsense comparisons to Snowden and Manning, somehow comparing the right to assembly to whistleblowers. Hate to break it to you, but in America people protest everything all the time. I would know, I live in DC. Just last week a bunch of "ex-gays" protested the supreme court about some nonsense. We didnt arrest them. Because we believe in free speech. The fact that your country has a history of being a totalitarian hellhole should make this all the more concerning to you.
Oh sorry, that's probably waaay over your head. Continue talking about how homosexuality is "unnatural." It's all you know.
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On August 08 2013 20:03 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:45 n0ise wrote:We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. What if a completely blind-born person would participate in a particular (doable) sport at the olympics. He's not normal, he's definitely not similar to 99% of the population. Do you go about beating, persecuting and banning him from the event? No, not unless you're living in the 7th fucking century. Which is kinda the point everyone's trying to make. Why do you think that in Russia gays are being beaten persecuted and banned from sport? You are completely and totaly wrong. Goverment does not support persecuton of gays.
Yeah, Russia only sends people who speak about gay rights to gulags, no persecution whatsoever!
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I wish every country would stop trying to run others , so sick of it.
Different countries , different rules. Right or wrong in each others eyes , it is what it is.
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On August 08 2013 21:54 MrSourGit wrote:
I wish every country would stop trying to run others , so sick of it.
Different countries , different rules. Right or wrong in each others eyes , it is what it is.
So just to be clear, you think a country should be allowed to do whatever it wants within its own borders, and no other country has a say in it. I'm not sure if you realize the sorts of behavior that you're potentially justifying here, but it's safe to say that no reasonable person would agree.
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Russia is a separate country with its own sets of beliefs, customs, and laws. Let them be.
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So just to be clear, you think a country should be allowed to do whatever it wants within its own borders, and no other country has a say in it.
Yes off course, specially when the country has a democratic elected government.
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On August 08 2013 22:04 Christ the Redeemer wrote:
Russia is a separate country with its own sets of beliefs, customs, and laws. Let them be. Why would we do that when they are repressing people? We can object as we see fit. They don't get a pass because they are another country.
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Yeah, I don't get the "you can only complain about oppression in your own country" point of view. Doesn't come close to even making sense.
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On August 08 2013 21:10 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 20:03 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 19:45 n0ise wrote:We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. What if a completely blind-born person would participate in a particular (doable) sport at the olympics. He's not normal, he's definitely not similar to 99% of the population. Do you go about beating, persecuting and banning him from the event? No, not unless you're living in the 7th fucking century. Which is kinda the point everyone's trying to make. Why do you think that in Russia gays are being beaten persecuted and banned from sport? You are completely and totaly wrong. Goverment does not support persecuton of gays. Oh sorry, that's probably waaay over your head. Continue talking about how homosexuality is "unnatural." It's all you know.
You only think that homosexuality is natural or you have very solid evidences?
Would you care to share them with me.
I honestly wish to know why do you think why homosexuality is natural.
And please be more polite in your posts because from some of your remarks I start to believe that your tolerance is only limited with gay. Do you come or do you not come from the most tolerant society toward all other people and their beliefs?
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On August 08 2013 22:08 marvellosity wrote:
Yeah, I don't get the "you can only complain about oppression in your own country" point of view. Doesn't come close to even making sense.
Yeah, is the terrible argument of "Oh look how open minded you are! You don't respect my CHOICE to abuse and oppress people. What a hyprocrite!"
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On August 08 2013 22:09 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:10 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 20:03 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 19:45 n0ise wrote:We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. What if a completely blind-born person would participate in a particular (doable) sport at the olympics. He's not normal, he's definitely not similar to 99% of the population. Do you go about beating, persecuting and banning him from the event? No, not unless you're living in the 7th fucking century. Which is kinda the point everyone's trying to make. Why do you think that in Russia gays are being beaten persecuted and banned from sport? You are completely and totaly wrong. Goverment does not support persecuton of gays. Oh sorry, that's probably waaay over your head. Continue talking about how homosexuality is "unnatural." It's all you know. You only think that homosexuality is natural or you have very solid evidences? Would you care to share them with me. I honestly wish to know why do you think why homosexuality is natural. And please be more polite in your posts because from some of your remarks I start to believe that your tolerance is only limited with gay. Do you come or do you not come from the most tolerant society toward all other people and their beliefs?
Well there is this sweet list of animals that display homosexual behaviour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
There are a bunch of medical jounrals about it too. At the end of the day, you can't say it doesn't exist in nature, because it does and is pretty common.
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On August 08 2013 22:09 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:10 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 20:03 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 19:45 n0ise wrote:We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. What if a completely blind-born person would participate in a particular (doable) sport at the olympics. He's not normal, he's definitely not similar to 99% of the population. Do you go about beating, persecuting and banning him from the event? No, not unless you're living in the 7th fucking century. Which is kinda the point everyone's trying to make. Why do you think that in Russia gays are being beaten persecuted and banned from sport? You are completely and totaly wrong. Goverment does not support persecuton of gays. Oh sorry, that's probably waaay over your head. Continue talking about how homosexuality is "unnatural." It's all you know. You only think that homosexuality is natural or you have very solid evidences? Would you care to share them with me. I honestly wish to know why do you think why homosexuality is natural. And please be more polite in your posts because from some of your remarks I start to believe that your tolerance is only limited with gay. Do you come or do you not come from the most tolerant society toward all other people and their beliefs?
Do you have evidence homosexuality is UNnatural? Homosexuality is present in dozens, if not hundreds, of animal species. Or are dolphins being brainwashed by the liberal elite dolphins into being gay?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
A new review made in 2009 of existing research showed that same-sex behavior is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, common across species.
What are your reasons to think homosexuality is not 'natural', exactly?
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On August 08 2013 22:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:04 Christ the Redeemer wrote:
Russia is a separate country with its own sets of beliefs, customs, and laws. Let them be. Why would we do that when they are repressing people? We can object as we see fit. They don't get a pass because they are another country.
Look within your country: NSA, privacy, civil liberties, false flags, vicsims, economic embargo, military control of other countries. Why don't you complain about that first instead!
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On August 08 2013 22:15 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:07 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 22:04 Christ the Redeemer wrote:
Russia is a separate country with its own sets of beliefs, customs, and laws. Let them be. Why would we do that when they are repressing people? We can object as we see fit. They don't get a pass because they are another country. Look within your country: NSA, privacy, civil liberties, false flags, vicsims, economic embargo, military control of other countries. Why don't you complain about that first instead!
Terrible argument. Just because there exist flaws in one's own country, doesn't mean we can't criticise another country. Again, this makes no logical sense.
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On August 08 2013 22:15 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:07 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 22:04 Christ the Redeemer wrote:
Russia is a separate country with its own sets of beliefs, customs, and laws. Let them be. Why would we do that when they are repressing people? We can object as we see fit. They don't get a pass because they are another country. Look within your country: NSA, privacy, civil liberties, false flags, vicsims, economic embargo, military control of other countries. Why don't you complain about that first instead!
How about I just complain about all of it as I see fit? How does that sound? Just because my country has a few problems doesn't give Russia a pass.
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On August 08 2013 22:04 Rassy wrote:
So just to be clear, you think a country should be allowed to do whatever it wants within its own borders, and no other country has a say in it.
Yes off course, specially when the country has a democratic elected government.
I don't mean to Godwin the thread, but dude.... the criteria you just stated justifies the holocaust. Period. There's no way around it. No reasonable person would agree that every country has a right to commit genocide. Yet you just said, "yes, of course" to "a country should be allowed to do whatever it wants within its own borders"
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On August 08 2013 22:13 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:09 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 21:10 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 20:03 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 19:45 n0ise wrote:We just think that it is not normal. By normal I mean that about 99% of population are not gay. What if a completely blind-born person would participate in a particular (doable) sport at the olympics. He's not normal, he's definitely not similar to 99% of the population. Do you go about beating, persecuting and banning him from the event? No, not unless you're living in the 7th fucking century. Which is kinda the point everyone's trying to make. Why do you think that in Russia gays are being beaten persecuted and banned from sport? You are completely and totaly wrong. Goverment does not support persecuton of gays. Oh sorry, that's probably waaay over your head. Continue talking about how homosexuality is "unnatural." It's all you know. You only think that homosexuality is natural or you have very solid evidences? Would you care to share them with me. I honestly wish to know why do you think why homosexuality is natural. And please be more polite in your posts because from some of your remarks I start to believe that your tolerance is only limited with gay. Do you come or do you not come from the most tolerant society toward all other people and their beliefs? Well there is this sweet list of animals that display homosexual behaviour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behaviorThere are a bunch of medical jounrals about it too. At the end of the day, you can't say it doesn't exist in nature, because it does and is pretty common.
Homicide pedophilia incest and other things like that exist in nature and so that?
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