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On August 08 2013 00:52 Denda Reloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 00:50 ETisME wrote:On August 08 2013 00:14 KwarK wrote:On August 08 2013 00:01 ETisME wrote:everyone seems to mis-reading this. It's not about population growth or equal right limited freedom etc Russia letting snowden to stay resident in the country is a public slap to the US, even if Putin said something like don't leak anything about our friend, the US and you can stay. Basically the US needs something as a retribution, this is one of them. The cleverness of this is actually Russia is NOT rejecting the gays, they are merely saying no to propaganda. This way, even though Russia will be the ugly man here, they aren't gonna get that bad of an image. And the US will be slapping its own face if it takes about Russia is limiting freedom of speech because of Snowden case US has already been humiliating itself a lot because of Snowden, including forcing a presidential plane of another country to land because of a false report that Snowden might be on the plane http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/02/world/americas/bolivia-presidential-plane Or it could be that discriminating against homosexuals is objectively wrong, regardless of what is going on with Snowden. And institutional homophobia in Russia goes far beyond this, although this law defines anything that indicates homosexuality might be a valid life choice as propaganda which is pretty horrific. It's indefensible, it's immoral, it's certainly not protecting children and it has literally nothing to do with Snowden. I am not arguing about whether Russia is treating gays fairly or not. I know how good you can write about what Russia is doing is immoral etc but that's not the point. Most of these big announcements aren't just there suddenly and of no reason at all. Just look at this thread in general. Quite a number of people are already saying Russia isn't doing too bad, they are rejecting the gay's entry, they are against propaganda. Russia is trying to please the US to get over some of the damage the Snowden case has caused. Politics and international relationship are a lot more complicated than a simple event or ideology the russian police stopped recording hate crimes if f.e. gays are beaten to death. u can kill gays and get away with it. is that what u call "being against propaganda"? it's more than that
Do you have evidences or it is just your perception of Russia?
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On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden? This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges.
i dont think gays get trials in russia.
just deal with it, your country is going backwards and in the future your generation will be laughed at because you act so stupid.
edit: gays arent even "the opposition" and a country that silence them is generally considered a big douchbag country no one wants to live in.
nice understanding of democracy mate.
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On August 08 2013 17:37 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden? This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges. i dont think gays get trials in russia. just deal with it, your country is going backwards and in the future your generation will be laughed at because you act so stupid. edit: gays arent even "the opposition" and a country that silence them is generally considered a big douchbag country no one wants to live in. nice understanding of democracy mate.
What trials you are talking about?
And since you said you think that says that its just your perception that Russia cant do anything right. No matter what they do it is wrong.
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On August 08 2013 17:37 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden? This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges. just deal with it, your country is going backwards and in the future your generation will be laughed at because you act so stupid. .
First of all Russia didnt act and didnt do anything. It just maintened status quo i.e you can be gay you have all the rights that hetero have but just dont demand more.
It is other countries that all of a sudden in last couple of years legalised gay marriages.
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On August 08 2013 17:46 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 17:37 hfglgg wrote:On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden? This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges. i dont think gays get trials in russia. just deal with it, your country is going backwards and in the future your generation will be laughed at because you act so stupid. edit: gays arent even "the opposition" and a country that silence them is generally considered a big douchbag country no one wants to live in. nice understanding of democracy mate. What trials you are talking about? And since you said you think that says that its just your perception that Russia cant do anything right. No matter what they do it is wrong.
russia does things right when russia starts to do things right.
abolishing democracy and human rights isnt among the right things to do.
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On August 08 2013 17:53 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 17:37 hfglgg wrote:On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden? This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges. just deal with it, your country is going backwards and in the future your generation will be laughed at because you act so stupid. . First of all Russia didnt act and didnt do anything. It just maintened status quo i.e you can be gay you have all the rights that hetero have but just dont demand more. It is other countries that all of a sudden in last couple of years legalised gay marriages.
heterosexuals can hold hands in public
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On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden? This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges.
Do you really think that having rights as long as people don't know something about you counts? Would they have all those rights if they admitted to being gay? The only difference between racism and this is that black people didn't have the luxury of hiding their skin color. "Do whatever you want, but don't tell us about it" is NOT in any way tolerant. It makes a significant % of the population feel bad about their lives because they cannot be who they are openly. And that has nothing to do with "putting your sexuality on the pedestal" or "demanding more rights", it's just wanting to be treated equally as a human being and being allowed to hold hands or kiss in public and have people not flip out or feel disgusted when they hear you're gay.
What laws like this do is keep increasing intolerance and ignorance on the matter, majority of the population STILL think that "homosexuals are sick perverts on the same level with pedophiles or zoophiles and need mental health". I hope you know why this kind of belief is harmful.
And about the issue of silencing.
All the countries silence opposition.
How are gays the opposition of Russian Federation? That's a ridiculous statement.
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This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges.
hahahahaha
Sir, that is one of the oldest ones in the book no one believes that one anymore.
Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden?
Since Manning's lawyers and Snowden himself have never been prevented from giving statements to anyone by the United States, no.
All the countries silence opposition.
No, really, despite what you may read on the internet, even here, there really are countries where you can oppose the government peacefully without being beat up or assassinated or put in jail or harassed.
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Who the hell cares?
Don't wave your damned pride flags around while you are competing and it will be absolutely no different from any other olympics ever held.
Follow the local laws which is what you should do in ANY country and you'll be just fine.
If a bunch of hippies from some Heroine legal country came to Canada and started injecting needles in their arms and told me it was okay because the olympics are a global event and that's what they do in their country I'd say get the fuck out I don't give a shit what you do at home keep it out of MY backyard.
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On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden?This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges.
The question at hand is not West vs East or what our country is doing, but rather it is largely about international individual rights. Stop rationalizing and just admit that you are disgusted by homosexuality, that at least is more respectable than trying to combine disgust with the modern democratic rights which is completely incompatible.
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On August 08 2013 17:57 MidKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden? This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges. Do you really think that having rights as long as people don't know something about you counts? Would they have all those rights if they admitted to being gay? "Do whatever you want, but don't tell us about it" is NOT in any way tolerant. It makes a significant % of the population feel bad about their lives because they cannot be who they are openly. And that has nothing to do with "putting your sexuality on the pedestal", it's just being a normal human being like being allowed to hold hands or kiss in public. What laws like this do is keep increasing intolerance, majority of the population STILL think that "homosexuals are sick perverts on the same level with pedophiles or zoophiles and need mental health". I hope you know why this kind of belief is harmful.
Yes they would have all this rights.
Do you honestly think that in Russia police ask every single person if they are gay or not and put gays in black list and does everything to make their life worse?
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On August 08 2013 18:04 Figgy wrote:
Who the hell cares?
Don't wave your damned pride flags around while you are competing and it will be absolutely no different from any other olympics ever held.
Follow the local laws which is what you should do in ANY country and you'll be just fine.
If a bunch of hippies from some Heroine legal country came to Canada and started injecting needles in their arms and told me it was okay because the olympics are a global event and that's what they do in their country I'd say get the fuck out I don't give a shit what you do at home keep it out of MY backyard.
You know you're making a really shit point when you compare homosexuality to heroin use to try to make your point.
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On August 08 2013 18:06 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden?This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges. The question at hand is not West vs East or what our country is doing, but rather it is largely about international individual rights. Stop rationalizing and just admit that you are disgusted by homosexuality, that at least is more respectable than trying to combine disgust with the modern democratic rights which is completely incompatible.
Why should I admit something that I am not?
I do not hate gay for being gay.
You said international individual rights.
What rights do you mean exactly?
Guys I am an adult people I live in Russsia and I know that gay here have all the rights that other people have.
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On August 08 2013 18:19 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 18:06 Shiragaku wrote:On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden?This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges. The question at hand is not West vs East or what our country is doing, but rather it is largely about international individual rights. Stop rationalizing and just admit that you are disgusted by homosexuality, that at least is more respectable than trying to combine disgust with the modern democratic rights which is completely incompatible. Why should I admit something that I am not? I do not hate gay for being gay. You said international individual rights. What rights do you mean exactly? Guys I am an adult people I live in Russsia and I know that gay here have all the rights that other people have.
On August 08 2013 17:54 hfglgg wrote:
heterosexuals can hold hands in public
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On August 08 2013 18:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 18:19 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 18:06 Shiragaku wrote:On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden?This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges. The question at hand is not West vs East or what our country is doing, but rather it is largely about international individual rights. Stop rationalizing and just admit that you are disgusted by homosexuality, that at least is more respectable than trying to combine disgust with the modern democratic rights which is completely incompatible. Why should I admit something that I am not? I do not hate gay for being gay. You said international individual rights. What rights do you mean exactly? Guys I am an adult people I live in Russsia and I know that gay here have all the rights that other people have. I have never heard that any gay have been arrested or warranted for holding hands in public. If you heard about such case give a link to that news.
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Personally i dont like gays. Gay+Gay+a child is a terrible thing. When I grew up I had a mom and a dad.
Dad learned me to stay strong, be man, etc etc, mom also helped to raise me as only woman can.
Not two fking pervert "Dads" or "Parent#1 and Parent#2"
Do what you want at home. But not on the TV, radio, newspapers, or on the street (this "gay demonstrations", etc)
I do not want that my child will see gays and other perverts on the street.
Am I the only natural here? ppl?
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 08 2013 18:30 Val_ wrote:
Personally i dont like gays. Gay+Gay+a child is a terrible thing.
Do what you want at home. But not on the TV, radio, newspapers, or on the street (this "gay demonstrations", etc)
I do not want that my child will see gays and other perverts on the street.
Am I the only natural here? ppl? no harm will come to your child from being aware of homosexual activity, so you have absolutely no right to dictate when and where homosexual activity should be legally allowed
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On August 08 2013 17:54 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 17:53 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 17:37 hfglgg wrote:On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden? This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges. just deal with it, your country is going backwards and in the future your generation will be laughed at because you act so stupid. . First of all Russia didnt act and didnt do anything. It just maintened status quo i.e you can be gay you have all the rights that hetero have but just dont demand more. It is other countries that all of a sudden in last couple of years legalised gay marriages. heterosexuals can hold hands in public
I have never heard that any gay have been arrested or warranted for holding hands in public.
If you heard about such case give a link to that news.
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On August 08 2013 18:30 Val_ wrote:
Personally i dont like gays. Gay+Gay+a child is a terrible thing. When I grew up I had a mom and a dad.
Dad learned me to stay strong, be man, etc etc, mom also helped to raise me as only woman can.
Not two fking pervert "Dads" or "Parent#1 and Parent#2"
Do what you want at home. But not on the TV, radio, newspapers, or on the street (this "gay demonstrations", etc)
I do not want that my child will see gays and other perverts on the street.
Am I the only natural here? ppl?
I heard that in USA and France on official documents words like Mother and Father will no longer be used and instead words like Parent#1 and Parent#2 will be used. Is this true?
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On August 08 2013 17:37 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 17:21 MikeMM wrote:On August 08 2013 07:23 DoubleReed wrote:On August 08 2013 06:39 ftm wrote:
I really don't get why this is a deal-breaker? Isn't gay rights about tolerance and open mindedness? And, if it is, then aren't we supposed to be tolerant and open-minded towards those who don't support gay rights?
RIP in peace post-modern tolerance. *places hand on heart, looks down in earnest sadness* ????? What the hell are you talking about? This is a law that bans open support for gay rights. It's an anti-free-speech law. And you're saying it's intolerant to reject that????? I have to be tolerant of people silencing me???? What the hell kind of warped language are you using? You shouldn't be able to use words with the way you treat them. What the hell are you talking about? Gays in Russia have as many rights as other people. They have right to work, study, have medical care and other various rights. And about the issue of silencing. All the countries silence opposition. Didnt USA silence Maning and Snowden? This law doesn’t prevent gays from demanding their rights, it prevents them from demanding privileges. i dont think gays get trials in russia. just deal with it, your country is going backwards and in the future your generation will be laughed at because you act so stupid. edit: gays arent even "the opposition" and a country that silence them is generally considered a big douchbag country no one wants to live in. nice understanding of democracy mate.
To be honest, there are quite a few countries that are not gayfriendly where I wouldn't mind living. As a matter of fact, homosexuality is looked down upon in most of the world. It's recently been gaining ground in the West, and being from the West, we view our world view as superior and want to force it upon the rest of the world, which we traditionally regard as backward and inferior.
I find it downright arrogant to think that Europeans or people from the US have any say in the domestic policy of other countries. If Russia wants to enforce an anti-gay law, so be it. It's their decision.
Human Rights is another Western invention that not really a whole lot of countries care about either, even in Europe and the US.
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