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On August 07 2013 22:50 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 22:27 Denda Reloaded wrote:On August 07 2013 22:18 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 22:05 Denda Reloaded wrote:On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:
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yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it.
or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you? the fact that those laws won't suddenly change genetics or ensure a lower rate of homosexuals in a state should answer all your questions. laws that are incredibly baseless and against every single detail of science don't make a country look forward-going. Russia is going backwards, sorry :S OK we are talking about genetics now. From genetics perspective gays are normal people or mistake of nature? i just said that none of ur basic laws will change that, get over it. it may even be a mutation, who cares. gays are humans and deserve the same rights + and the right to be happy whatsoever. if all people would be born male we would die out, yes. but some moronic law wouldn't help it. people are born gay or straight, there's nothing more to discuss. laws can oppress gays maybe, but it sure won't get them to impregnate females. the birthrate will continue to fall, russia focusses on the wrong problem. i don't understand how people can seriously think that the us took the wrong direction (i'm not from the US be4 u start hating) concerning that issue. start to accept human nature, whether it's "normal" or not. If you think I hate gays as a whole you are wrong. I support the idea that all humans deservs equal rights. I am not aware that in Russia rights of gay are violated. And this law only forbids propaganda involvement of minors and the youth. There is big difference between tolerance toward gays and propaganda of gay movement.
so how does the propaganda make sense then? do u think that a heterosexual kid or the whole youth could be converted to "gayness" by "propaganda"? by just seeing 2 men holding hands (which is also forbidden afaik)? i doubt that those kids in russia that turned gay by now were forced to watch gayporn in their childhood. 99% of them were raised as homophobic as ever and still it didn't make them straight. gay propaganda could either piss of racists/the church or serve gay empowerment, but not turn people gay. if it could, people also would be abel to magically switch back to heterosexuality, which every sane gay would do, if he knows that else he'd be either a second-class citizen oder beaten by cowards. xx
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On August 07 2013 22:50 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 22:27 Denda Reloaded wrote:On August 07 2013 22:18 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 22:05 Denda Reloaded wrote:On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:
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yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it.
or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you? the fact that those laws won't suddenly change genetics or ensure a lower rate of homosexuals in a state should answer all your questions. laws that are incredibly baseless and against every single detail of science don't make a country look forward-going. Russia is going backwards, sorry :S OK we are talking about genetics now. From genetics perspective gays are normal people or mistake of nature? i just said that none of ur basic laws will change that, get over it. it may even be a mutation, who cares. gays are humans and deserve the same rights + and the right to be happy whatsoever. if all people would be born male we would die out, yes. but some moronic law wouldn't help it. people are born gay or straight, there's nothing more to discuss. laws can oppress gays maybe, but it sure won't get them to impregnate females. the birthrate will continue to fall, russia focusses on the wrong problem. i don't understand how people can seriously think that the us took the wrong direction (i'm not from the US be4 u start hating) concerning that issue. start to accept human nature, whether it's "normal" or not. If you think I hate gays as a whole you are wrong. I support the idea that all humans deservs equal rights. I am not aware that in Russia rights of gay are violated. And this law only forbids propaganda involvement of minors and the youth. There is big difference between tolerance toward gays and propaganda of gay movement.
Really? Beacuse the word "propaganda" is normally used to discribe promoting ideas that people don't like. It is really hard to be tolerant toward gays, but then prohibit their ability to protest or post things in support of their rights.
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On August 07 2013 22:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 22:50 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 22:27 Denda Reloaded wrote:On August 07 2013 22:18 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 22:05 Denda Reloaded wrote:On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:
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I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal.
You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline.
I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you? the fact that those laws won't suddenly change genetics or ensure a lower rate of homosexuals in a state should answer all your questions. laws that are incredibly baseless and against every single detail of science don't make a country look forward-going. Russia is going backwards, sorry :S OK we are talking about genetics now. From genetics perspective gays are normal people or mistake of nature? i just said that none of ur basic laws will change that, get over it. it may even be a mutation, who cares. gays are humans and deserve the same rights + and the right to be happy whatsoever. if all people would be born male we would die out, yes. but some moronic law wouldn't help it. people are born gay or straight, there's nothing more to discuss. laws can oppress gays maybe, but it sure won't get them to impregnate females. the birthrate will continue to fall, russia focusses on the wrong problem. i don't understand how people can seriously think that the us took the wrong direction (i'm not from the US be4 u start hating) concerning that issue. start to accept human nature, whether it's "normal" or not. If you think I hate gays as a whole you are wrong. I support the idea that all humans deservs equal rights. I am not aware that in Russia rights of gay are violated. And this law only forbids propaganda involvement of minors and the youth. There is big difference between tolerance toward gays and propaganda of gay movement. Really? Beacuse the word "propaganda" is normally used to discribe promoting ideas that people don't like. It is really hard to be tolerant toward gays, but then prohibit their ability to protest or post things in support of their rights.
yes it is xx rt (as hundreds of years of russian history proudly demonstrated)
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On August 07 2013 22:27 Denda Reloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 22:18 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 22:05 Denda Reloaded wrote:On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:
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Oh God...shouldn't have written anything....
I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values.
What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you? the fact that those laws won't suddenly change genetics or ensure a lower rate of homosexuals in a state should answer all your questions. laws that are incredibly baseless and against every single detail of science don't make a country look forward-going. Russia is going backwards, sorry :S OK we are talking about genetics now. From genetics perspective gays are normal people or mistake of nature? i just said that none of ur basic laws will change that, get over it. it may even be a mutation, who cares. gays are humans and deserve the same rights + and the right to be happy whatsoever. if all people would be born male we would die out, yes. but some moronic law wouldn't help it. people are born gay or straight, there's nothing more to discuss. laws can oppress gays maybe, but it sure won't get them to impregnate females. the birthrate will continue to fall, russia focusses on the wrong problem. i don't understand how people can seriously think that the us took the wrong direction (i'm not from the US be4 u start hating) concerning that issue. start to accept human nature, whether it's "normal" or not.
"people are born gay or straight, there's nothing more to discuss"
Realy?
This i find verry hard to believe, i think its alot more complicated.
To me it would make more sense if sexual preferences come to the surface in peoples puberty, though i am open to the idea that genetics do play some role in this.
5 year olds are not bussy with sex, they dont have a sexual identity at all nor do they think about it.
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Yeah, just like we can see from some of the people posting a huge problem is simply lack of understanding of homosexuality.
Some people do actually believe that "more people will be become gay if we accept that being gay is not a bad thing". That's obviously a completely nonsensical and ludicrous statement if you're educated on the matter, but a lot of people do think that way and make arguments based on that assumption which is simply wrong. Of course, any kind of study which conflicts with their beliefs is deemed as "western propaganda". It's interesting to observe.
If people from that region realized that sexual attraction is not a choice and that there's nothing to suggest that the % of population which is gay increased in the recent times due to it being more accepted in society (only that more people are "coming out of the closet" and are more comfortable with accepting and embracing who they are instead of pretending to be straight and living their lives in misery), tolerance would increase. It's just that these ridiculous ideas are so deeply ingrained into the culture of these countries, that people just keep on believing them.
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On August 07 2013 23:17 Rassy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 22:27 Denda Reloaded wrote:On August 07 2013 22:18 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 22:05 Denda Reloaded wrote:On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:
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yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it.
or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you? the fact that those laws won't suddenly change genetics or ensure a lower rate of homosexuals in a state should answer all your questions. laws that are incredibly baseless and against every single detail of science don't make a country look forward-going. Russia is going backwards, sorry :S OK we are talking about genetics now. From genetics perspective gays are normal people or mistake of nature? i just said that none of ur basic laws will change that, get over it. it may even be a mutation, who cares. gays are humans and deserve the same rights + and the right to be happy whatsoever. if all people would be born male we would die out, yes. but some moronic law wouldn't help it. people are born gay or straight, there's nothing more to discuss. laws can oppress gays maybe, but it sure won't get them to impregnate females. the birthrate will continue to fall, russia focusses on the wrong problem. i don't understand how people can seriously think that the us took the wrong direction (i'm not from the US be4 u start hating) concerning that issue. start to accept human nature, whether it's "normal" or not. "people are born gay or straight, there's nothing more to discuss" Realy? This i find verry hard to believe, i think its alot more complicated.
hmmmm... ok neither one of the sides got proof. i don't know, maybe they later turn gay, but it's not a choice. but do u think that gays choose to be gay? (u didn't imply that, i am just asking c they aren't stupid, my dear. no idiot would choose to become gay just to be officially less worth and then kill himself. if gays could turn straight most of them would, i think. but they can't. they tried but failed. either accept it or try to systematically eradicate them. your choice.
@MidKnight 100% agreed. i don't see how ppl can logically try to deny what u just said. thx 4 clarifying and spilling hot truthtea all over the floor *bows*
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On August 07 2013 23:21 MidKnight wrote:
Yeah, just like we can see from some of the people posting a huge problem is simply lack of understanding of homosexuality.
Some people do actually believe that "more people will be become gay if we accept that being gay is not a bad thing". That's obviously a completely nonsensical and ludicrous statement if you're educated on the matter, but a lot of people do think that way and make arguments based on that assumption which is simply wrong. Of course, any kind of study which conflicts with their beliefs is deemed as "western propaganda". It's interesting to observe.
If people from that region realized that sexual attraction is not a choice and that there's nothing to suggest that the % of population which is gay increased in the recent times due to it being more accepted in society (only that more people are "coming out of the closet" and are more comfortable with accepting and embracing who they are instead of pretending to be straight and living their lives in misery), tolerance would increase. It's just that these ridiculous ideas are so deeply ingrained into the culture of these countries, that people just keep on believing them.
The number of gay people would not increase, but the number of outwardly gay people would. In a country like Russia with a plumetting birthrate, that actually is a big deal.
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Its an interesting question, personally i think everyone is bisexual with either the hetero or the gay side dominating, so everyone is at least a little bit gay. For example manny hetero,s in jail are practicing gay sex, because there is no alternative.
From an evolutionary point of vieuw it would make sense though to think that the default setting is dominant hetero sexual.
Is beeing gay a choise? i realy dont know,i do think that for at least some people this is a choise.
And why would people not choose to be gay?, i can imagine this going for some countrys like rusia but i am from the netherlands and gays are treated completely equall here, there are almost no disadvantages to beeing gay overhere.
I can think of several arguments why people would choose to be gay, like for example the desire to be a rebel and do controversial things their parents and environment do not aproove of, and the gay scene does have awesome events and partys (wich manny hetero sexuals visit as well).
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On August 07 2013 23:40 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 23:21 MidKnight wrote:
Yeah, just like we can see from some of the people posting a huge problem is simply lack of understanding of homosexuality.
Some people do actually believe that "more people will be become gay if we accept that being gay is not a bad thing". That's obviously a completely nonsensical and ludicrous statement if you're educated on the matter, but a lot of people do think that way and make arguments based on that assumption which is simply wrong. Of course, any kind of study which conflicts with their beliefs is deemed as "western propaganda". It's interesting to observe.
If people from that region realized that sexual attraction is not a choice and that there's nothing to suggest that the % of population which is gay increased in the recent times due to it being more accepted in society (only that more people are "coming out of the closet" and are more comfortable with accepting and embracing who they are instead of pretending to be straight and living their lives in misery), tolerance would increase. It's just that these ridiculous ideas are so deeply ingrained into the culture of these countries, that people just keep on believing them. The number of gay people would not increase, but the number of outwardly gay people would. In a country like Russia with a plumetting birthrate, that actually is a big deal.
and how could the "outward-ness of gays" possibly affect str8 couples to produce more human larva (babies or whatever)? oppressing gays won't change the birthrate, it will drop faster than taylors panties anyway. imho they search for the solution in wrong places.
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On August 07 2013 23:40 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 23:21 MidKnight wrote:
Yeah, just like we can see from some of the people posting a huge problem is simply lack of understanding of homosexuality.
Some people do actually believe that "more people will be become gay if we accept that being gay is not a bad thing". That's obviously a completely nonsensical and ludicrous statement if you're educated on the matter, but a lot of people do think that way and make arguments based on that assumption which is simply wrong. Of course, any kind of study which conflicts with their beliefs is deemed as "western propaganda". It's interesting to observe.
If people from that region realized that sexual attraction is not a choice and that there's nothing to suggest that the % of population which is gay increased in the recent times due to it being more accepted in society (only that more people are "coming out of the closet" and are more comfortable with accepting and embracing who they are instead of pretending to be straight and living their lives in misery), tolerance would increase. It's just that these ridiculous ideas are so deeply ingrained into the culture of these countries, that people just keep on believing them. The number of gay people would not increase, but the number of outwardly gay people would. In a country like Russia with a plumetting birthrate, that actually is a big deal.
How will this ever be a problem? How will more openly gay people EVER stop people from having kids? Its not like men are going to leave their wives on mass once they know they are can be openly gay.
This could be the worst argument ever.
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On August 07 2013 23:40 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 23:21 MidKnight wrote:
Yeah, just like we can see from some of the people posting a huge problem is simply lack of understanding of homosexuality.
Some people do actually believe that "more people will be become gay if we accept that being gay is not a bad thing". That's obviously a completely nonsensical and ludicrous statement if you're educated on the matter, but a lot of people do think that way and make arguments based on that assumption which is simply wrong. Of course, any kind of study which conflicts with their beliefs is deemed as "western propaganda". It's interesting to observe.
If people from that region realized that sexual attraction is not a choice and that there's nothing to suggest that the % of population which is gay increased in the recent times due to it being more accepted in society (only that more people are "coming out of the closet" and are more comfortable with accepting and embracing who they are instead of pretending to be straight and living their lives in misery), tolerance would increase. It's just that these ridiculous ideas are so deeply ingrained into the culture of these countries, that people just keep on believing them. The number of gay people would not increase, but the number of outwardly gay people would. In a country like Russia with a plumetting birthrate, that actually is a big deal.
Gay people reproduce as well as everyone else if you don't restrict their right to be parents.
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On August 07 2013 23:41 Rassy wrote:
Its an interesting question, personally i think everyone is bisexual with either the hetero or the gay side dominating, so everyone is at least a little bit gay. For example manny hetero,s in jail are practicing gay sex, because there is no alternative.
From an evolutionary point of vieuw it would make sense though to think that the default setting is dominant hetero sexual.
Is beeing gay a choise? i realy dont know,i do think that for at least some people this is a choise.
And why would people not choose to be gay?, i can imagine this going for some countrys like rusia but i am from the netherlands and gays are threated completely equall here, there are no disadvantages to beeing gay overhere.
I can think of several arguments why people would choose to be gay, like for example the desire to be a rebel and do controversial things their parents and environment do not aproove of.
That may also be, that our society just created that barrier, that there really is no "orientation". i also don't know. but i can assure you of 1 thing: 99% of str8s find sexual interaction between 2 men disgusting. they would never want to practice homosexual actions. and it's stupid 2 think that someday they just completely forget that they are disgusted or weirded out by it and become gay lol. so the choice thing is medieval imho. netherlands all the way btw! trust me: it's not worth trading the chance to be respected, marrying a woman and get a family with the option of being hated by your family, seen as a second class human and die in misery (or shoot themselves coz they're fucking done with it, which i understand). not a straight guy would ever consider loosing it all just to become gay and "rebellious". it's note ven logical than he can just activate desires for the same sex before and practially loose all those for the opposite sex. it's not a fair trade, as i said.
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the guy talking about Russia's birthrate has a valid point. Last I saw it was at 1.76, which means (2 = flatline), their population is decreasing at a rate of 12% per life expectancy, i suppose
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but hey, ww2 had nothing to do with that 
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On August 07 2013 23:53 Bill Murray wrote:
the guy talking about Russia's birthrate has a valid point. Last I saw it was at 1.76, which means (2 = flatline), their population is decreasing at a rate of 12% per life expectancy, i suppose
yes it is decreasing, we all know that. but gays don't have anything to do with it.
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On August 07 2013 23:47 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 23:40 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 23:21 MidKnight wrote:
Yeah, just like we can see from some of the people posting a huge problem is simply lack of understanding of homosexuality.
Some people do actually believe that "more people will be become gay if we accept that being gay is not a bad thing". That's obviously a completely nonsensical and ludicrous statement if you're educated on the matter, but a lot of people do think that way and make arguments based on that assumption which is simply wrong. Of course, any kind of study which conflicts with their beliefs is deemed as "western propaganda". It's interesting to observe.
If people from that region realized that sexual attraction is not a choice and that there's nothing to suggest that the % of population which is gay increased in the recent times due to it being more accepted in society (only that more people are "coming out of the closet" and are more comfortable with accepting and embracing who they are instead of pretending to be straight and living their lives in misery), tolerance would increase. It's just that these ridiculous ideas are so deeply ingrained into the culture of these countries, that people just keep on believing them. The number of gay people would not increase, but the number of outwardly gay people would. In a country like Russia with a plumetting birthrate, that actually is a big deal. Gay people reproduce as well as everyone else if you don't restrict their right to be parents.
What...?
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That may also be, that our society just created that barrier, that there really is no "orientation". i also don't know. but i can assure you of 1 thing: 99% of str8s find sexual interaction between 2 men disgusting. they would never want to practice homosexual actions. and it's stupid 2 think that someday they just completely forget that they are disgusted or weirded out by it and become gay lol.
Yup this goes for me as well,i find the idea also "disgusting" and i never had dreams or fantasys about beeing gay, yet i still have kissed a man once when i was verry drunk lol and i didnt realy regret it when i was sober (though i also had absolutely no desire to repeat it and further explore it) and i think this goes for quiet a few strait people in the clubbing scene.
Its kinda funny btw, manny man who are disgusted by the idea of 2 males having sex love seeing 2 girls making out.Though i dont think females have a similar fantasy about guys.
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everyone seems to mis-reading this.
It's not about population growth or equal right limited freedom etc
Russia letting snowden to stay resident in the country is a public slap to the US, even if Putin said something like don't leak anything about our friend, the US and you can stay.
Basically the US needs something as a retribution, this is one of them.
The cleverness of this is actually Russia is NOT rejecting the gays, they are merely saying no to propaganda. This way, even though Russia will be the ugly man here, they aren't gonna get that bad of an image.
And the US will be slapping its own face if it takes about Russia is limiting freedom of speech because of Snowden case
US has already been humiliating itself a lot because of Snowden, including forcing a presidential plane of another country to land because of a false report that Snowden might be on the plane
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/02/world/americas/bolivia-presidential-plane
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On August 08 2013 00:00 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 23:47 shinosai wrote:On August 07 2013 23:40 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 23:21 MidKnight wrote:
Yeah, just like we can see from some of the people posting a huge problem is simply lack of understanding of homosexuality.
Some people do actually believe that "more people will be become gay if we accept that being gay is not a bad thing". That's obviously a completely nonsensical and ludicrous statement if you're educated on the matter, but a lot of people do think that way and make arguments based on that assumption which is simply wrong. Of course, any kind of study which conflicts with their beliefs is deemed as "western propaganda". It's interesting to observe.
If people from that region realized that sexual attraction is not a choice and that there's nothing to suggest that the % of population which is gay increased in the recent times due to it being more accepted in society (only that more people are "coming out of the closet" and are more comfortable with accepting and embracing who they are instead of pretending to be straight and living their lives in misery), tolerance would increase. It's just that these ridiculous ideas are so deeply ingrained into the culture of these countries, that people just keep on believing them. The number of gay people would not increase, but the number of outwardly gay people would. In a country like Russia with a plumetting birthrate, that actually is a big deal. Gay people reproduce as well as everyone else if you don't restrict their right to be parents. What...?
Being gay does not prevent you from raising children or getting pregant by less tradional means(aka, science).
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On August 08 2013 00:00 Rassy wrote:
That may also be, that our society just created that barrier, that there really is no "orientation". i also don't know. but i can assure you of 1 thing: 99% of str8s find sexual interaction between 2 men disgusting. they would never want to practice homosexual actions. and it's stupid 2 think that someday they just completely forget that they are disgusted or weirded out by it and become gay lol.
Yup this goes for me as well,i find the idea also "disgusting" and i never had dreams or fantasys about beeing gay, yet i still have kissed a man once when i was verry drunk lol and i didnt realy regret it when i was sober (though i also had absolutely no desire to repeat it and further explore it) and i think this goes for quiet a few strait people in the clubbing scene.
Its kinda funny btw, manny man who are disgusted by the idea of 2 males having sex love seeing 2 girls making out.Though i dont think females have a similar fantasy about guys.
gays find the idea to sleep with a girl "disgusting" but still they aren't stupid enough to say "str8 is sin". at least they accept the other sexual orientation. why straight ppl can't do that... i don't know. well i think people should follow their emotions and not hide themselves all their life. it's not fun/efficient.
in the age of information ignorance is a choice †
oh and yes str8 guys watch lesbian porn but say "gay is sin" rofl. their point of view is disgusting
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