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Russian Federation221 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards.
Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue.
Maybe its USA that took the wrong course?
Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay.
You would suggest to let them be?
But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay.
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On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay.
Just imagine if everyone in Russia is a man. Then Russia would be dead in a generation. Which is why they shouldn't give men rights. And people speaking for men's rights should be jailed.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay.
Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that.
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On August 07 2013 18:36 Ahzz wrote:
Eh, gays can still be gays all they want. As far as I understand, nobody in these olympics will judge you for being something. What does matter, is shoving it into your face. Some people don't WANT to see gay pride parades, or anything of the sort.
However, I do understand that this may restrict the freedom of expressing yourself as a gay person in a relatively normal fashion as well. Regardless, such expressions shouldn't happen in public even if you are heterosexual imo, so no sexual bias here.
A lot of people seem to say stuff like this. From my point of view, it's fake tolerance. I understand the argument (we shouldn't put our sexuality on the pedestal), but it seems like a way to to mask their homophobia for a lot of people. If you truly have no problem with gay couples holding hands in public, for example, (I assume not many people would be offended when they see a straight couple hold hands or kiss in public), then that's great, maybe you do have a point. It's just that a lot of people who say these things do not understand what homosexuality is and want to keep on discriminating by making sure that the minority "keeps their mouths shut". That's not a good stance.
Gay parades are not supposed to be about "please pay attention to me *because* I'm gay", it's more like "look at me I'm gay and it's not a big deal, I'm just a human being like you, please stop the mindless discrimination only for this single quality I have".
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On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay.
How would that happen? Gay-mind control rays? And why would you think Russia is being progressive on the matter, or anything involving civil liberties?
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Russian Federation221 Posts
On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that.
I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question.
And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you?
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you?
There's no answer, because it's totally ridiculous. Everyone isn't gay. It's like campaigning against infertile people because if everyone was infertile no-one would give birth. The problem is, not everyone is infertile so birth rates aren't a problem, and infertile people aren't hurting anyone and can't help it if they're infertile, and if you told someone else you were infertile, you don't get arrested by the state for it.
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Russian Federation221 Posts
On August 07 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. How would that happen? Gay-mind control rays? And why would you think Russia is being progressive on the matter, or anything involving civil liberties?
Did you or did you not approve of society where everybody is gay?
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On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you?
I can answer it. Your theory of everyone becoming gay and the human race dying out is dumb and has not basis in reality. Find a better argument that doesn't involve the end of the human race.
On August 07 2013 21:59 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. How would that happen? Gay-mind control rays? And why would you think Russia is being progressive on the matter, or anything involving civil liberties? Did you or did you not approve of society where everybody is gay?
We are not having this argument. It has no basis in reality and is kind of stupid.
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On August 07 2013 21:59 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. How would that happen? Gay-mind control rays? And why would you think Russia is being progressive on the matter, or anything involving civil liberties? Did you or did you not approve of society where everybody is gay?
Same to you about a society where everyone is male.
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1071 Posts
On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you?
the fact that those laws won't suddenly change genetics or ensure a lower rate of homosexuals in a state should answer all your questions. laws that are incredibly baseless and against every single detail of science don't make a country look forward-going. Russia is going backwards, sorry :S
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On August 07 2013 21:59 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. How would that happen? Gay-mind control rays? And why would you think Russia is being progressive on the matter, or anything involving civil liberties? Did you or did you not approve of society where everybody is gay?
do yourself a favour and go back to school.
you can not take something out of context and make statements with that.
but because you like them so much, here is something for you:
imagine everyone in russia would just write on internet forums all day long.
russia would break down in a day.
do you approve of writing on an internet forum?
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On August 07 2013 22:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you? I can answer it. Your theory of everyone becoming gay and the human race dying out is dumb and has not basis in reality. Find a better argument that doesn't involve the end of the human race. Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:59 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. How would that happen? Gay-mind control rays? And why would you think Russia is being progressive on the matter, or anything involving civil liberties? Did you or did you not approve of society where everybody is gay? We are not having this argument. It has no basis in reality and is kind of stupid.
Its not my theory.
I was just tring to tell that there is part of hipocricy about issue of gay rights.
And Russia by no way is moving backward.
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On August 07 2013 22:11 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 22:00 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:
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even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you? I can answer it. Your theory of everyone becoming gay and the human race dying out is dumb and has not basis in reality. Find a better argument that doesn't involve the end of the human race. On August 07 2013 21:59 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:
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even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. How would that happen? Gay-mind control rays? And why would you think Russia is being progressive on the matter, or anything involving civil liberties? Did you or did you not approve of society where everybody is gay? We are not having this argument. It has no basis in reality and is kind of stupid. Its not my theory. I was just tring to tell that there is part of hipocricy about issue of gay rights. And Russia by no way is moving forward.
If you are going to play devil’s advocate, you need to do a better job. The idea in devil’s advocate role is that you challenge the commonly accepted point of view with some reasonable counter arguments, like:
“Could it be that Russia is worried about violent protest or riots during the Olympics? Is there a history of violent clashes between pro and anti gay groups in Russia?”
You don’t say:
“Well if everyone is gay, then there are no babies and we all die.”
Edit: oh man, I see this discussion going great places really fast with the comment below
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On August 07 2013 22:05 Denda Reloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you? the fact that those laws won't suddenly change genetics or ensure a lower rate of homosexuals in a state should answer all your questions. laws that are incredibly baseless and against every single detail of science don't make a country look forward-going. Russia is going backwards, sorry :S
OK we are talking about genetics now.
From genetics perspective gays are normal people or mistake of nature?
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On August 07 2013 22:18 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 22:05 Denda Reloaded wrote:On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:
[quote]
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you? the fact that those laws won't suddenly change genetics or ensure a lower rate of homosexuals in a state should answer all your questions. laws that are incredibly baseless and against every single detail of science don't make a country look forward-going. Russia is going backwards, sorry :S OK we are talking about genetics now. From genetics perspective gays are normal people or mistake of nature?
i just said that none of ur basic laws will change that, get over it. it may even be a mutation, who cares. gays are humans and deserve the same rights + and the right to be happy whatsoever. if all people would be born male we would die out, yes. but some moronic law wouldn't help it. people are born gay or straight, there's nothing more to discuss. laws can oppress gays maybe, but it sure won't get them to impregnate females. the birthrate will continue to fall, russia focusses on the wrong problem. i don't understand how people can seriously think that the us took the wrong direction (i'm not from the US be4 u start hating) concerning that issue. start to accept human nature, whether it's "normal" or not.
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The problem is: Most of the Gays don't say that they are gay.
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On August 07 2013 22:27 Denda Reloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 22:18 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 22:05 Denda Reloaded wrote:On August 07 2013 21:56 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:
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Oh God...shouldn't have written anything....
I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values.
What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay. Gayness isn't catching. Sorry about that. I know it is not catching, it was theoretical question. And by the way you didnt have answer for it, did you? the fact that those laws won't suddenly change genetics or ensure a lower rate of homosexuals in a state should answer all your questions. laws that are incredibly baseless and against every single detail of science don't make a country look forward-going. Russia is going backwards, sorry :S OK we are talking about genetics now. From genetics perspective gays are normal people or mistake of nature? i just said that none of ur basic laws will change that, get over it. it may even be a mutation, who cares. gays are humans and deserve the same rights + and the right to be happy whatsoever. if all people would be born male we would die out, yes. but some moronic law wouldn't help it. people are born gay or straight, there's nothing more to discuss. laws can oppress gays maybe, but it sure won't get them to impregnate females. the birthrate will continue to fall, russia focusses on the wrong problem. i don't understand how people can seriously think that the us took the wrong direction (i'm not from the US be4 u start hating) concerning that issue. start to accept human nature, whether it's "normal" or not.
If you think I hate gays as a whole you are wrong.
I support the idea that all humans deservs equal rights.
I am not aware that in Russia rights of gay are violated.
And this law only forbids propaganda involvement of minors and the youth.
There is big difference between tolerance toward gays and propaganda of gay movement.
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On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay.
Wow what a solid argument, I may have to rethink my stance on equal rights for gays.
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On August 07 2013 21:48 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 03:54 ComaDose wrote:On August 07 2013 03:49 Feartheguru wrote:On August 07 2013 03:39 Paljas wrote:On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote:On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote:On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote:
It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades.
even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? yeah, obama should thank putin for discriminating gays, becasue the USA can take advantage of it. or, you know, he could act like a decent human being and be upset. even tho this feels futile to you. I would like to support the opinion stated ever so eloquently by the contributor called LaContra. It is indeed not the homophobia of one man or possibly one government, it is the homophobia of a whole nation and it is but one part of an ingrained and integral part of the cultural make-up of Eastern European and Russian nations, one that is not going to disappear overnight based on a simple gesture from a nation not long ago considered the enemy and even now considered at best spoiled and liberal. You may wish for a simple show of solidarity to an oppressed majority or for a show of protest against the Russian political system, however what you will be showing to the overwhelming majority of Russian people is simply that you consider your beliefs, motivations and ways of life better than theirs, you will be showing ingratitude and a bullish attitude. I am really sorry that I can not explain this better, but your wish for a sign of solidarity simply reads to me as childishly spitting in the face of your host (Russian people), because he is unable to accommodate your wish for profound change by a certain deadline. I don't want a profound change by a certain deadline, I want them to stop actively moving backwards. Why do you think Russia is moving backwards regarding this issue. Maybe its USA that took the wrong course? Just immagine that every single person in USA is gay. You would suggest to let them be? But the country would die in one generation if everybody is gay.
Human value doesn't come out of their ability to procreate
Newton died a virgin, does that undermine his contribution to society?
Your statement is void of reality, while accepting that people have different sexuality is accepting reality.
LGBT and equality rallies in russia has been brutally punished and struck down to give the smallest example in response to your statement above over Russia's claim that they are ''only stopping propaganda''
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