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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
August 02 2013 09:33 GMT
#241
Will Tyson Gay be able to participate or is he considered walking propaganda?
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Mutineer
Profile Joined March 2013
New Zealand179 Posts
August 02 2013 09:34 GMT
#242
Did you read the law? it is not agains the law in Russia to do anything you want in a privacy of your own bedroom between adalts. Law is agains promotin ben gay.
Meatex
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia285 Posts
August 02 2013 09:34 GMT
#243
Wish they had a law like this for religions and political parties
Really, why is real cheese so hard to come by in Korea? ^&^
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25771 Posts
August 02 2013 09:34 GMT
#244
On August 02 2013 18:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Will Tyson Gay be able to participate or is he considered walking propaganda?

Drugban?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25771 Posts
August 02 2013 09:35 GMT
#245
On August 02 2013 18:34 Mutineer wrote:
Did you read the law? it is not agains the law in Russia to do anything you want in a privacy of your own bedroom between adalts. Law is agains promotin ben gay.

Read the thread. Jesus H Christ, some people.

If you disagree with plenty of the additional discussion, by all means go ahead. Don't just come into a thread where people are discussing what the law might/does allow and disregard heaps of comments.

Pathetic.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
August 02 2013 09:41 GMT
#246
the "dont show off" argument doesnt count as long as there are repercussions against sexual orientation. how should they protest (which is THE foundation of democracy) if they cant get vocal? and what is showing off in the first place? CSD is more of a happening anyway and is similar to other demonstration-fun-events. i.e. the love parade in germany is not about homosexuality, bisexuality, straight sexuality or anything but if you want to see naked people doing ridiculous stuff, go to the love parade. however, lot of them are young girls so why would people care? (i am not sure the love parade exists anymore though)
but beside those big happenings, what is showing off? i can not have a problem with rainbow flags or things like that because i see 100s of different political symbols every day. fight capitalism, fight fascism, too much foreigners, more money for X, less money for Y, taxes are too high, taxes are too low, taxes are right but used for the wrong things. you name it.

so happenings are special and symbols are part of my everyday life. well what is left? talking about it? please, people talk about _everything_. if i found talking about stuff offensive, i wouldnt live in germany (and berlin of all places).

there is one thing left though: acting upon it. but i hope no one here is honestly saying that kissing his boyfriend / girlfriend is something oh so terrible.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 02 2013 10:06 GMT
#247
On August 02 2013 18:33 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 18:28 opisska wrote:
While this thread has devolved to a pretty generic gay/anti-gay discussion, I think this is about something completely different: the Olympics (and all of sports, for that matter) are complete and total sell-outs. They don't give a shit about values, they care first and foremost about money - which is probably not a thing we should single them out on, because everyone does that, if it weren't for them (specially the Olympics) pretending to play for a "higher purpose".

That they don't care about anything else can be see in the level of ass-climbing to the nations in power that we see everyday from big event organisers. They just don't have enough integrity to say: we are not gonna make events in your country unless you start honouring the values we represent - otherwise there would be no way that the Olympics are hosted in Russia, or China for that matter (or even worse, the Hockey Cup in Belarus, some football stuff in UAE and so on...). Anyone who says something along "isolating them does not help, we must approach them, try to integrate them into our democratic system" is desilusional. Actually, this could be a very rare circumstance where an argument by Hitler could be appropriate, but I guess I will abstain.

The Qatar success in getting the football worldcup is the last straw for me. A World Cup, a gathering of the fans in a place that is too hot to play the games in summer, where alcohol is banned, not to mention the sexual repression there.

It's a complete kick in the teeth of the supporters who make such events what they are, and who travel en masse.

I don't mind the Olympics if it wasn't for the pious shit around it about the 'Olympic family' or 'the Olympic values'. If people weren't kicked out of certain Olympic venues in London for drinking Pepsi instead of coke it's an easier case to argue. If a company associated with the Bhopal disaster wasn't a sponsor.

It's a joke.

I mean, it's only a small thing but I'm not watching them, despite being a sport fan they are overblown monstrosities.


Ups, sorry, it's Qatar, that's what I coulnd't find squat on the UAE thing, it doesn't exist
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 02 2013 10:06 GMT
#248
On August 02 2013 18:34 Meatex wrote:
Wish they had a law like this for religions and political parties


See, they kind of do. Or at least they are able to imprison people for it based on some sort of laws.
PerryHooter
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden268 Posts
August 02 2013 10:07 GMT
#249
During the games I will make sure to watch as many price ceremonies as I can, praying that one of the athletes will dare make a statement, like pulling out a rainbow flag or something. That would be the best thing ever.
"The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt"
thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
August 02 2013 10:41 GMT
#250
so much tension in this forum.
sexual tension.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
August 02 2013 10:52 GMT
#251
Don't host it on Russia.
iMAniaC
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway703 Posts
August 02 2013 10:56 GMT
#252
The Russian law against “gay propaganda” is not going to apply to the participants and guests of the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics, a top lawmaker said.

“The Olympics is a major international event. Our task is to be as politically correct and tolerant as we can be. That’s why we made the decision not to raise this issue during the Games,” Interfax news agency cites said Igor Ananskikh, the head of the Russian Duma Committee on physical training, sports and youth, as saying.

[...]

The less stringent approach voiced by the Russian lawmaker is more in line with a previous statement by the International Olympic Committee, saying that it had “received assurances from the highest level of government in Russia that the legislation will not affect those attending or taking part in the Games.”


Source: Russia Today

Is Russia Today a reliable news source? I've somehow got the impression that they're not, but I can't seem to remember how I've got that impression. Either way, if the news are correct, at least that's a small step in the right direction.
AeroGear
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada652 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-02 11:01:12
August 02 2013 11:00 GMT
#253
On August 02 2013 18:34 Mutineer wrote:
Did you read the law? it is not agains the law in Russia to do anything you want in a privacy of your own bedroom between adalts. Law is agains promotin ben gay.


Wether or not gays are tolerated is not the point. The point is that such a law is repressive and discriminatory. Look around you and you'll notice hundreds of heterosexual "so-called propaganda", pictures of couples kissing or holding hands during a vacation, wedding ads, etc.

It also sets a tone, implicitly, that gays are NOT wanted in Russia.

Edit: Lol@the guy who banned himself earlier
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6298 Posts
August 02 2013 11:03 GMT
#254
Way to overblow everything, whats wrong with not alowing children to promote homosexuality? Not involving children in sex should be normal in this world. Lets just hope the US doesnt use all the private data they stole to blackmail the athletes from all the other countries into giving them gold medals...
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
August 02 2013 11:06 GMT
#255
As much as I dissagree with what the Russian people are doing, I doubt the issue is important enough to boycott the world's most important winter sports event.
Bora Pain minha porra!
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
August 02 2013 11:12 GMT
#256
k i'm done at people telling it's okay to ban gays as it's their "belief" and personal views that may not be allowed to be expressed in russia. in contrast to some religion or personal views, sexuality is not a lifestyle or some random idea. by criminalizing the whole LGBT topic they don't take away freedom of speech or whatever, it's not a personal opinion, it's a trait of human beings. I mean if blacks had to bleach their skin (as nicki did) for the olympics in order to not propagate black-ness (cause maybe some weird-ass country doesn't agree on people being born black), it would be ridiculous. Each human has his genetical traits and it doesn't have anything to do with personal views or whatever. Thus all this is not a "cultural standard" or "traditional opinion" that should be respected in the country given, it's fascism. Sorry for my english, hope y'all got my point. ashamed to be russian tbh.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
August 02 2013 11:14 GMT
#257
Putin is a boss.
Go russia!
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 02 2013 11:14 GMT
#258
On August 02 2013 18:20 PiPoGevy wrote:
There is nothing wrong with this in my opinion, it's not hurting anyone


Yeah, it's not hurting anyone. Because the society in Russia isn't letting tonnes of shit like this happen.

Everything is fine.

...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
August 02 2013 11:23 GMT
#259
That awkward moment when you learn the news about your country on TL forum. Especially if it is provocation: http://www.forbes.ru/news/242978-gosduma-razreshila-uchastnikam-i-gostyam-olimpiady-v-sochi-gei-propagandu
Unfortunately, there is no english version of this article, but forbes is well respected source. I remember how the sh"t went down in foreign mass media in august 2008 when "Russians started bloody war during olympics".

I don't want to argue about the whole thing with human rights, gay proud etc., I just want to remind you that 2 decades ago it was the whole other country, basically police state. And not much has changed since that. Becides, it is not only about the state, it is about the whole other culture. Of course, we want to declare ourselves a developed, civilized country, but the little town out in the ass-end of nowhere in Siberia (where I'm from) still looks like it is 19th centure.
Insert wise words here
Evilmystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Russian Federation266 Posts
August 02 2013 11:26 GMT
#260
As long as Russian so-called elite is free to launder and invest the money that they steal from Russian people in Western countries without any reaction from local authorities whatsoever, shit like this will continue. Russian crooks will continue to buy palaces of gold and marble in London and Nice, their children will continue to study, work and live in Europe and the US, while locally the crackdown on all kinds of freedom and the growth of already widespread corruption and lawlessness will go on too.
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