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Russia Plans To Enforce Anti-Gay Law at Olympics - Page 12
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
The reason why straight people doesnt do it is because they dont get mistreated for being straight, gay people do get mistreated for being gay... | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
dont know where you guys live that you dont see that. (probably in the vatican) | ||
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Nyvis
France284 Posts
On August 02 2013 17:54 hfglgg wrote: lol everytime i leave the house i see thousands of people celebrating that they are straight, talk about that they are straight, act straight, show off that they are straight. dont know where you guys live that you dont see that. (probably in the vatican) They're probably too immersed in it to see it, but yes, everything in our daily modern world screams "straight". Look at advertising for a good example. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On August 02 2013 17:51 NEEDZMOAR wrote: The reason why straight people doesnt do it is because they dont get mistreated for being straight, gay people do get mistreated for being gay... The first step in becoming equal is eliminating the differences. If a category puts itself differently, they are the first ones who want to be different. I don't see smokers/beer lovers/nerds/whatever category protest (in very untasty ways, too) I have no problem with gay people: but if you walk down the street mocking people while wearing pink shorts and a pink boa, it's not being gay, it's exhibitionism. I would despise a straight person too. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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Olli
Austria24420 Posts
On August 02 2013 18:04 SoSexy wrote: The first step in becoming equal is eliminating the differences. If a category puts itself differently, they are the first ones who want to be different. I don't see smokers/beer lovers/nerds/whatever category protest (in very untasty ways, too) I have no problem with gay people: but if you walk down the street mocking people while wearing pink shorts and a pink boa, it's not being gay, it's exhibitionism. I would despise a straight person too. You do see smokers complaining about banning smoking from pubs, restaurants, etc. Why? Because they suddenly have a reason to. Why would you complain about something if you're being treated the way you want? Now, are homosexuals being treated equally? No. Obviously there will be protesting, provoking, etc. until their voices are heard. And that is very well within their rights and it's a good thing. | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On August 02 2013 18:04 SoSexy wrote: The first step in becoming equal is eliminating the differences. If a category puts itself differently, they are the first ones who want to be different. I don't see smokers/beer lovers/nerds/whatever category protest (in very untasty ways, too) i have seen smokers and nerds protest in the past. what now? | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On August 02 2013 18:13 hfglgg wrote: i have seen smokers and nerds protest in the past. what now? I see your point, but it's logically invalid. I have also seen slave masters protest when slavery was abolished. What now? | ||
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Olli
Austria24420 Posts
On August 02 2013 18:15 SoSexy wrote: I see your point, but it's logically invalid. I have also seen slave masters protest when slavery was abolished. What now? Slavery is against human rights, homosexuality is not. Neither is smoking or being a nerd. What now? | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
On August 02 2013 18:08 DarkLordOlli wrote: You do see smokers complaining about banning smoking from pubs, restaurants, etc. Why? Because they suddenly have a reason to. Why would you complain about something if you're being treated the way you want? Now, are homosexuals being treated equally? No. Obviously there will be protesting, provoking, etc. until their voices are heard. And that is very well within their rights and it's a good thing. this is you assuming that once gay people will be treated as equals, they wont make any parades?. or is you assuming that since gays will always be treated un-equally, they should be allowed to have parades anyway. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25771 Posts
On August 02 2013 18:15 SoSexy wrote: I see your point, but it's logically invalid. I have also seen slave masters protest when slavery was abolished. What now? Where did you see this incidentally? | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On August 02 2013 18:15 DarkLordOlli wrote: Slavery is against human rights, homosexuality is not. Neither is smoking or being a nerd. What now? That's the point: the conversation always is riduced to what is wrong and what is right (and it can't be any different). For example, I would say that smoking could be against human rights, since it harms you and harms the other around you. Or I could say that working 1/3 of your day is evolved slavery, but noone is against that. In case it is not clear, my point is: let gay people be gay people, but please, don't show off. I have some gay friends who are actually repulsed by the idea of this showing off which does more harm than benefits: those are the reasonable people I like to talk with. | ||
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Olli
Austria24420 Posts
On August 02 2013 18:17 xM(Z wrote: this is you assuming that once gay people will be treated as equals, they wont make any parades?. or is you assuming that since gays will always be treated un-equally, they should be allowed to have parades anyway. I was talking about protests. | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2115 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25771 Posts
On August 02 2013 18:17 xM(Z wrote: this is you assuming that once gay people will be treated as equals, they wont make any parades?. or is you assuming that since gays will always be treated un-equally, they should be allowed to have parades anyway. It's perhaps assuming, but it seems pretty logical. Where is the incentive, both to parade or indeed even BE a community in a world where being gay is just a normal thing? If they are treated equally, it should cease to be a defining feature of their identity. When you are in a group of people and it's 'Oh here's Kevin, he's a graphic designer and is into jazz,' rather than 'Oh here's Kevin, the gay guy', then it'll be fine and dandy. | ||
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Olli
Austria24420 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
That they don't care about anything else can be see in the level of ass-climbing to the nations in power that we see everyday from big event organisers. They just don't have enough integrity to say: we are not gonna make events in your country unless you start honouring the values we represent - otherwise there would be no way that the Olympics are hosted in Russia, or China for that matter (or even worse, the Hockey Cup in Belarus, some football stuff in UAE and so on...). Anyone who says something along "isolating them does not help, we must approach them, try to integrate them into our democratic system" is desilusional. Actually, this could be a very rare circumstance where an argument by Hitler could be appropriate, but I guess I will abstain. | ||
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Olli
Austria24420 Posts
On August 02 2013 18:19 SoSexy wrote: That's the point: the conversation always is riduced to what is wrong and what is right (and it can't be any different). For example, I would say that smoking could be against human rights, since it harms you and harms the other around you. Or I could say that working 1/3 of your day is evolved slavery, but noone is against that. In case it is not clear, my point is: let gay people be gay people, but please, don't show off. I have some gay friends who are actually repulsed by the idea of this showing off which does more harm than benefits: those are the reasonable people I like to talk with. Alright, this I can agree with. But only once there's equality. Otherwise there's always going to be a reason to protest, parade, etc. What's the point of showing their pride, their community if it wasn't considered a big deal to be homosexual? I generally consider any form of non-violent protesting that doesn't harm anyone a good thing. | ||
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zbedlam
Australia549 Posts
They enforce it and anyone gets punished during the Olympics, they make themselves the public enemy for a lot of people. And if they don't enforce it properly then everyone including their own people will think they are full of it. edit: Not to mention lost revenue, I can't imagine many gays or gay rights supporters will be going to the russian olympics. What the hell were they thinking. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25771 Posts
On August 02 2013 18:28 opisska wrote: While this thread has devolved to a pretty generic gay/anti-gay discussion, I think this is about something completely different: the Olympics (and all of sports, for that matter) are complete and total sell-outs. They don't give a shit about values, they care first and foremost about money - which is probably not a thing we should single them out on, because everyone does that, if it weren't for them (specially the Olympics) pretending to play for a "higher purpose". That they don't care about anything else can be see in the level of ass-climbing to the nations in power that we see everyday from big event organisers. They just don't have enough integrity to say: we are not gonna make events in your country unless you start honouring the values we represent - otherwise there would be no way that the Olympics are hosted in Russia, or China for that matter (or even worse, the Hockey Cup in Belarus, some football stuff in UAE and so on...). Anyone who says something along "isolating them does not help, we must approach them, try to integrate them into our democratic system" is desilusional. Actually, this could be a very rare circumstance where an argument by Hitler could be appropriate, but I guess I will abstain. The Qatar success in getting the football worldcup is the last straw for me. A World Cup, a gathering of the fans in a place that is too hot to play the games in summer, where alcohol is banned, not to mention the sexual repression there. It's a complete kick in the teeth of the supporters who make such events what they are, and who travel en masse. I don't mind the Olympics if it wasn't for the pious shit around it about the 'Olympic family' or 'the Olympic values'. If people weren't kicked out of certain Olympic venues in London for drinking Pepsi instead of coke it's an easier case to argue. If a company associated with the Bhopal disaster wasn't a sponsor. It's a joke. I mean, it's only a small thing but I'm not watching them, despite being a sport fan they are overblown monstrosities. | ||
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