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On May 08 2015 18:15 Gowerly wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 18:10 Pandemona wrote:On May 08 2015 18:05 Gowerly wrote:
OH WELL. VIDEOGAMES
I'd also like to petition so that everyone that voted Tory is banned from using the NHS for anything at all. You must now buy your own insurance. I have been paying private health insurance since i got a job as i have family in the NHS and they tell me everyday how bad it is  Also maybe we can raise a petition to counter yours and say all Labour voters are banned from having a credit card as they can't be trusted with borrowing money  I don't think that quite works. It would be the Conservatives not having cards as Cameron is all about "Living within your means", whereas Labour is happy to borrow money to help boost the economy (which, if you'll have read the earlier post, is what got every other country out of their slumps much more effectively than Austerity). Sorry you have such a bad run in with the NHS. I've never had it be anything less than exemplary.
The Tories are planning to throw more money at the NHS and borrowings up over the parliment...
Except nobodies out of their slumps by spending.. (maybe Greece  )
Spending only creates growth by investing in infrastructure and enterprise, which isn't on offer from any of the parties.
Borrowing to throw more at the public sector saddles the next generation with more debt for some free stuff now. It's pretty horrifically selfish.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 08 2015 18:19 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 18:18 Gowerly wrote:On May 08 2015 18:16 Drazerk wrote:On May 08 2015 18:05 Gowerly wrote:
OH WELL. VIDEOGAMES
I'd also like to petition so that everyone that voted Tory is banned from using the NHS for anything at all. You must now buy your own insurance. The NHS waiting list for the treatment I need is 4 years. Privately I could get it in 5 weeks and its better quality service and honestly not that expensive. I have no love for the NHS and would rather it be reformed but that'd be way too expensive to do so we kind of just have to deal with a really poor quality service. Then I would suggest what you have is no love for a government that doesn't put any money into the NHS and would also be fixed by anyone that votes Tory not using it any more :D It could be scrapped for all I care as long as there is government regulations so private prices cannot become stupid like America
Same kinda.
What i want from the NHS is the ability to "enforce" Dr surgeries to be open after 5pm more than one day a week. Maybe turn them into shifts of 8am-8pm and have more help. So you are not forced to go to Hospital after 6pm because you cant get an appointment at the Dr.
Thats my main gripe these days and the fact you go into Hospital with one thing and come out with several infections 
On May 08 2015 18:22 mostevil wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 18:15 Gowerly wrote:On May 08 2015 18:10 Pandemona wrote:On May 08 2015 18:05 Gowerly wrote:
OH WELL. VIDEOGAMES
I'd also like to petition so that everyone that voted Tory is banned from using the NHS for anything at all. You must now buy your own insurance. I have been paying private health insurance since i got a job as i have family in the NHS and they tell me everyday how bad it is Also maybe we can raise a petition to counter yours and say all Labour voters are banned from having a credit card as they can't be trusted with borrowing money I don't think that quite works. It would be the Conservatives not having cards as Cameron is all about "Living within your means", whereas Labour is happy to borrow money to help boost the economy (which, if you'll have read the earlier post, is what got every other country out of their slumps much more effectively than Austerity). Sorry you have such a bad run in with the NHS. I've never had it be anything less than exemplary. The Tories are planning to throw more money at the NHS and borrowings up over the parliment... Except nobodies out of their slumps by spending.. (maybe Greece ) Spending only creates growth by investing in infrastructure and enterprise, which isn't on offer from any of the parties. Borrowing to throw more at the public sector saddles the next generation with more debt for some free stuff now. It's pretty horrifically selfish.
It's standard Labour policy, short term fix with long term failure. They want minimum wage to be £8.00 an hour, whilst most people like yeah great, it will cripple some business and also boost inflation. So unless they intended to gradually introduce that over 5 years it would have been silly.
But anyway like i told my friends, no point discussing it now, it is over. No change for 5 years, live with it
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To be fair, yes, Labour has capitulated and just decided to do what the Tories would do but more slowly.
At least, rather than cutting inheritance tax, which just helps the wealthy and does very little to actually support the economy, they would actually apply more tax to the people that can afford it and reduce tuition fees some.
What I find odd is that people were upset at labour's borrowing (see earlier post about credit cards), but that rate was the same as Thatcher's Tory government in the 80's (as a proportion of GDP). I don't know whether this is a change in ideals or whether now actually spending money is simply bad.
And you're right, it's going to happen regardless, now. I simply cannot see it as a good thing (tm), and I think in 5 years we're going to be even further behind other countries, but we'll see.
At least there's Starcraft, although under the Tory government, Teresa May is now going to know my APM at all times and I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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On May 08 2015 18:30 Gowerly wrote:
What I find odd is that people were upset at labour's borrowing (see earlier post about credit cards), but that rate was the same as Thatcher's Tory government in the 80's (as a proportion of GDP). I don't know whether this is a change in ideals or whether now actually spending money is simply bad.
Thatcher inherited an absolute basket-case of an economy when she came to power.
Labour had a growing economy, and record tax receipts year after year to "deal with".
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
OHHH RANDOM FARAGE APPEARS.
Will he win his seat?!?!
OMG Farage lost his seat too!!
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Well, you tried, Farage. And you won *A* seat, so maybe you can go there. It's nice and by the sea, you can wave to all those people you don't like.
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James Forsyth: "This election just keeps getting better for David Cameron with Nigel Farage’s defeat in South Thanet. Farage will now resign as Ukip leader and whoever succeeds him will have a very difficult job keeping the party together. How do you reconcile Douglas Carswell’s, self-described, Gladstonian Liberalism with the anti-immigration, economic populism of Ukip in the north?"
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On May 08 2015 06:44 darkness wrote:
As long as UKIP has no chance to do anything, and if EU referendum is discarded, then I guess I'm happy as a foreigner in the UK.
EU might not even exist in a couple of years time anyway - if Greece leaves then Italy, Portugal and Spain will soon follow and the whole thing will collapse.
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Pretty sure we'll have that referendum now
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cameron promised the referendum, would be foolish not to have it
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On May 08 2015 19:00 ahswtini wrote:
cameron promised the referendum, would be foolish not to have it
Why? I doubt he cares and he doesn't need UKIP's help. He also plans to resign. I would be very surprised if it happens before 2020.
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On May 08 2015 18:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 06:44 darkness wrote:
As long as UKIP has no chance to do anything, and if EU referendum is discarded, then I guess I'm happy as a foreigner in the UK. EU might not even exist in a couple of years time anyway - if Greece leaves then Italy, Portugal and Spain will soon follow and the whole thing will collapse.
Where did you get that idea from that Greece would leave EU? Even if they change currency away from the Euro they will still be in the EU.
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On May 08 2015 19:01 Gowerly wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 19:00 ahswtini wrote:
cameron promised the referendum, would be foolish not to have it Why? I doubt he cares and he doesn't need UKIP's help. He also plans to resign. I would be very surprised if it happens before 2020.
Because it would destroy the conservative party if it didn't happen.
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Again, he plans to resign. I honestly don't think he cares enough to do it. We'll see, though.
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On May 08 2015 19:05 Gowerly wrote:
Again, he plans to resign. I honestly don't think he cares enough to do it. We'll see, though.
Then you don't know anything about him, he wouldn't destroy his party.
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On May 08 2015 19:05 Gowerly wrote:
Again, he plans to resign. I honestly don't think he cares enough to do it. We'll see, though.
lol you really think he'll screw it up for the next tory leader? the large ukip vote gains (albeit not seats) shows that there is a very real appetite for a referendum on europe
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On May 08 2015 19:07 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 19:05 Gowerly wrote:
Again, he plans to resign. I honestly don't think he cares enough to do it. We'll see, though. Then you don't know anything about him, he wouldn't destroy his party.
yep. it would be like the lib dems and tuition fees, and we know how that turned out.
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BBC putting the Cons above 330 now.
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