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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
May 08 2015 10:14 GMT
#1261
i wonder how they're continuing to revise their predictions, are they still "exit polling" people, or do they have some sort of information from the counts
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 10:16:16
May 08 2015 10:15 GMT
#1262
On May 08 2015 19:14 ahswtini wrote:
i wonder how they're continuing to revise their predictions, are they still "exit polling" people, or do they have some sort of information from the counts


there are bbc/political/journalist people counting the votes at the counts (they probably aren't supposed to) which gives them information.
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
May 08 2015 10:22 GMT
#1263
On May 08 2015 19:15 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 19:14 ahswtini wrote:
i wonder how they're continuing to revise their predictions, are they still "exit polling" people, or do they have some sort of information from the counts


there are bbc/political/journalist people counting the votes at the counts (they probably aren't supposed to) which gives them information.


If it is anything like in germany, there are many different voting boxes in different places of a constituency and some of those places are already finished (or finished with some of their boxes) and transmit intermediate results to the elections administration. Might be completely different in UK though. Those raw intermediate results usually are then adjusted based on past voter behaviour to create a more accurate projection (else it would swing a lot more during the counting process if you have large local disparities).
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
May 08 2015 10:23 GMT
#1264
hmm i think all counting for a constituency is done in one place
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
May 08 2015 10:25 GMT
#1265
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 10:26:35
May 08 2015 10:26 GMT
#1266
1 more seat according to BBC
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 10:35:43
May 08 2015 10:26 GMT
#1267


ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
May 08 2015 10:36 GMT
#1268
clegg just announced his resignation
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 08 2015 10:37 GMT
#1269
Poor Cleggers.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
May 08 2015 10:41 GMT
#1270
i do feel quite bad for him. also for julian huppert (cambridge) who worked hard for his constituency
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 10:47:02
May 08 2015 10:43 GMT
#1271
A good speech to end his leadership much better than Farage's, I'm glad he at least kept his dignity with keeping his seat.


marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 08 2015 10:51 GMT
#1272
I can see myself quite strongly supporting the liberal democrats next election, despite voting tory for the last two.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 08 2015 10:58 GMT
#1273
That was a great speech from Clegg

I think he was dead on with liberalism being beaten by fear, an us vs them attitude from the scottish electorate and a fearful response from British voters.

I voted conservative based on the economy, overall policy and to maintain continuity for the future. But I also voted them because I wanted a majority government that would be better for the united kingdom, rather than a weak labour government backed by a self serving national party.


Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 08 2015 11:03 GMT
#1274
Farage will definitely stand as leader again, you don't put in loopholes like "i will decide if I want to stand again" unless you are going to do it
Zerg for Life
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
May 08 2015 11:05 GMT
#1275
equally happy and furious with the result, scotland telling the mainstream parties to fuck off is glorious, labour making no ground whatsoever in england is great, lib dem armageddon is wonderful, at the same time the tories actually sneaking a majority kills a lot of the fun we could have had, and being part of 3.7 million voters who get 1 seat shows what a joke our system is
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 08 2015 11:07 GMT
#1276
On May 08 2015 20:05 sixfour wrote:
equally happy and furious with the result, scotland telling the mainstream parties to fuck off is glorious, labour making no ground whatsoever in england is great, lib dem armageddon is wonderful, at the same time the tories actually sneaking a majority kills a lot of the fun we could have had, and being part of 3.7 million voters who get 1 seat shows what a joke our system is


they had a referendum on this issue, the country voted no.

Zerg for Life
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 11:11:24
May 08 2015 11:08 GMT
#1277
On May 08 2015 20:07 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 20:05 sixfour wrote:
equally happy and furious with the result, scotland telling the mainstream parties to fuck off is glorious, labour making no ground whatsoever in england is great, lib dem armageddon is wonderful, at the same time the tories actually sneaking a majority kills a lot of the fun we could have had, and being part of 3.7 million voters who get 1 seat shows what a joke our system is


they had a referendum on this issue, the country voted no.



It was hardly a fair referendum. We had 5 years of planning for AV+ and we swapped it out at the last minute and then didn't educate people about the voting systems. Voting systems shouldn't really be up for referendums in the first place given how poor political education is in the UK

Plus there are so many other voting systems other than AV+ anyway. All we agreed on was no AV
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 08 2015 11:11 GMT
#1278
On May 08 2015 20:08 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 20:07 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 08 2015 20:05 sixfour wrote:
equally happy and furious with the result, scotland telling the mainstream parties to fuck off is glorious, labour making no ground whatsoever in england is great, lib dem armageddon is wonderful, at the same time the tories actually sneaking a majority kills a lot of the fun we could have had, and being part of 3.7 million voters who get 1 seat shows what a joke our system is


they had a referendum on this issue, the country voted no.



It was hardly a fair referendum. We had 5 years of planning for AV+ and we swapped it out at the last minute and then didn't educate people about the voting systems. Voting systems shouldn't really be up for referendums in the first place given how poor political education is in the UK



how would you determine voting systems without a referendum? If it was a house of commons vote it would have been no aswell because labour and conservative are both opposed to PR
Zerg for Life
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 11:12:27
May 08 2015 11:12 GMT
#1279
On May 08 2015 20:11 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 20:08 Drazerk wrote:
On May 08 2015 20:07 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 08 2015 20:05 sixfour wrote:
equally happy and furious with the result, scotland telling the mainstream parties to fuck off is glorious, labour making no ground whatsoever in england is great, lib dem armageddon is wonderful, at the same time the tories actually sneaking a majority kills a lot of the fun we could have had, and being part of 3.7 million voters who get 1 seat shows what a joke our system is


they had a referendum on this issue, the country voted no.



It was hardly a fair referendum. We had 5 years of planning for AV+ and we swapped it out at the last minute and then didn't educate people about the voting systems. Voting systems shouldn't really be up for referendums in the first place given how poor political education is in the UK



how would you determine voting systems without a referendum? If it was a house of commons vote it would have been no aswell because labour and conservative are both opposed to PR


Referendums aren't binding in the UK. Labour / Tories can just say no forever if they really wanted to anyway.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 08 2015 11:15 GMT
#1280
On May 08 2015 20:12 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 20:11 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 08 2015 20:08 Drazerk wrote:
On May 08 2015 20:07 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 08 2015 20:05 sixfour wrote:
equally happy and furious with the result, scotland telling the mainstream parties to fuck off is glorious, labour making no ground whatsoever in england is great, lib dem armageddon is wonderful, at the same time the tories actually sneaking a majority kills a lot of the fun we could have had, and being part of 3.7 million voters who get 1 seat shows what a joke our system is


they had a referendum on this issue, the country voted no.



It was hardly a fair referendum. We had 5 years of planning for AV+ and we swapped it out at the last minute and then didn't educate people about the voting systems. Voting systems shouldn't really be up for referendums in the first place given how poor political education is in the UK



how would you determine voting systems without a referendum? If it was a house of commons vote it would have been no aswell because labour and conservative are both opposed to PR


Referendums aren't binding in the UK. Labour / Tories can just say no forever if they really wanted to anyway.


True but going against the national interest after a referendum is very dangerous.

I don't really understand how you propose the voting system should be determined without a referendum though. the people spoke pretty overwhelmingly in the last referendum and the focus for the country should now be on important national issues rather than changing a voting system
Zerg for Life
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