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This is pretty sad.
Conservatives have hobbled the UK's growth out of this recession with Austerity (see http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2015/05/02/britain-for-the-love-of-god-please-stop-david-cameron/) and the UK has decided to vote them back in, it's a shame.
And our system is idiotic.
Conservatives with 47% of the seats (at the moment) and 36% of the vote. I can't believe we turned down the electoral reform.
However, this was bound to happen. With Labour stronghold Scotland going to SNP and a lot of the LibDem seats going back to Tory, the victory wasn't really in too much question.
This is going to be a tough 5 years if you're not already well-off.
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On May 08 2015 17:29 Gowerly wrote:This is pretty sad. Conservatives have hobbled the UK's growth out of this recession with Austerity (see http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2015/05/02/britain-for-the-love-of-god-please-stop-david-cameron/) and the UK has decided to vote them back in, it's a shame. And our system is idiotic. Conservatives with 47% of the seats (at the moment) and 36% of the vote. I can't believe we turned down the electoral reform. However, this was bound to happen. With Labour stronghold Scotland going to SNP and a lot of the LibDem seats going back to Tory, the victory wasn't really in too much question. This is going to be a tough 5 years if you're not already well-off.
it's not like the snp prevented labour from getting a majority, even if all snp seats went to labour, they would still be far short of a majority.
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That's true, but it didn't help. I think a lot of people were expecting Lib Dem seats to switch to Labour, when in fact they went all the way to Tory.
Those two combined would have given Labour a much closer run if not a direct majority over the Conservatives.
But, media is media over here and Murdoch owns pretty much everything so we get all the lovely things like Telegraph readers getting letters being asked to vote Tory and the usual "LABOUR KILLED THE COUNTRY WITH THE MARKET CRASH" crap that people STILL believe.
I just hope the NHS survives the current run and that we don't ALL end up on Zero Hour Contracts.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
7 more to win for Conservatives!
Ed Miliband confirms (via sources) he is stepping down.
Oh nice day :D
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
Nice to see ed stepping down I will admit
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
it's funny how many people are complaining about FPTP and it screwing over the greens, but no mention of how ukip was hurt the most by it. double standards much?
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 08 2015 17:44 ahswtini wrote:
it's funny how many people are complaining about FPTP and it screwing over the greens, but no mention of how ukip was hurt the most by it. double standards much?
Indeed agree, UKIP would have had so many more seats, they are the 3 most voted party out of the whole of the UK (more than SNP) and have 1 seat so far lol
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On May 08 2015 17:44 ahswtini wrote:
it's funny how many people are complaining about FPTP and it screwing over the greens, but no mention of how ukip was hurt the most by it. double standards much?
It would definitely make it more interesting, although with Con + UKIP still at less than 50% I doubt they would get much done.
I can't see this being a particularly great few years, but then I'm not ridiculously wealthy, so that's to be expected.
Also I think the other Miliband would have been better for us this time around. I'm not particularly upset about Ed going away. Hopefully someone better can come in and do something good for the party this time.
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On May 08 2015 16:41 KwarK wrote:
At least it's a majority government. I feel like this is the least bad of a number of options. Better than a Labour majority at this time, better than a coalition and hopefully with more devolution of powers the SNP won't cause too much trouble outside of Scotland.
Not sure about that, they're all individually unbalanced one way or another, coalitions can balance that a bit.
The SNP not causing trouble seems unlikely. They'll benefit from it either way, it's either "look at the free stuff we got you" or "we got screwed by the tories".
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
I'm glad for a Tory majority, but I don't like how the lib dems got crushed. That's really not a good thing imo
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 08 2015 18:00 marvellosity wrote:
I'm glad for a Tory majority, but I don't like how the lib dems got crushed. That's really not a good thing imo
Pretty easy reason why, they got the student vote last time with "vote for us no tuition fees" that did not happen at all. Then the SNP rise in Scotland wiped out the other seats, that is not their fault really its just how Scotland feels. Because they are a very confused nation right now.
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On May 08 2015 16:41 KwarK wrote:
At least it's a majority government. I feel like this is the least bad of a number of options. Better than a Labour majority at this time, better than a coalition and hopefully with more devolution of powers the SNP won't cause too much trouble outside of Scotland.
I strongly believe that a Labour majority (or pretty much any non-UKIP majority) would be better than this.
Austerity measures have just cripped our growth. We needed someone to come in and actually increase spending, even if it means borrowing. Every other country did and now all of their economies are in better shape.
Cameron made the wrong decision, hampering our chances at recovering out of this slump and he's being rewarded for it because people blame Labour for the crash in the first place.
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OH WELL. VIDEOGAMES
I'd also like to petition so that everyone that voted Tory is banned from using the NHS for anything at all. You must now buy your own insurance.
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On May 08 2015 18:10 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 18:05 Gowerly wrote:
OH WELL. VIDEOGAMES
I'd also like to petition so that everyone that voted Tory is banned from using the NHS for anything at all. You must now buy your own insurance. I have been paying private health insurance since i got a job as i have family in the NHS and they tell me everyday how bad it is  Also maybe we can raise a petition to counter yours and say all Labour voters are banned from having a credit card as they can't be trusted with borrowing money 
I don't think that quite works. It would be the Conservatives not having cards as Cameron is all about "Living within your means", whereas Labour is happy to borrow money to help boost the economy (which, if you'll have read the earlier post, is what got every other country out of their slumps much more effectively than Austerity).
Sorry you have such a bad run in with the NHS. I've never had it be anything less than exemplary.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On May 08 2015 18:05 Gowerly wrote:
OH WELL. VIDEOGAMES
I'd also like to petition so that everyone that voted Tory is banned from using the NHS for anything at all. You must now buy your own insurance.
The NHS waiting list for the treatment I need is 4 years. Privately I could get it in 5 weeks and its better quality service and honestly not that expensive. I have no love for the NHS and would rather it be reformed but that'd be way too expensive to do so we kind of just have to deal with a really poor quality service.
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On May 08 2015 18:16 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 18:05 Gowerly wrote:
OH WELL. VIDEOGAMES
I'd also like to petition so that everyone that voted Tory is banned from using the NHS for anything at all. You must now buy your own insurance. The NHS waiting list for the treatment I need is 4 years. Privately I could get it in 5 weeks and its better quality service and honestly not that expensive. I have no love for the NHS and would rather it be reformed but that'd be way too expensive to do so we kind of just have to deal with a really poor quality service.
Then I would suggest what you have is no love for a government that doesn't put any money into the NHS and would also be fixed by anyone that votes Tory not using it any more :D
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On May 08 2015 18:18 Gowerly wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 18:16 Drazerk wrote:On May 08 2015 18:05 Gowerly wrote:
OH WELL. VIDEOGAMES
I'd also like to petition so that everyone that voted Tory is banned from using the NHS for anything at all. You must now buy your own insurance. The NHS waiting list for the treatment I need is 4 years. Privately I could get it in 5 weeks and its better quality service and honestly not that expensive. I have no love for the NHS and would rather it be reformed but that'd be way too expensive to do so we kind of just have to deal with a really poor quality service. Then I would suggest what you have is no love for a government that doesn't put any money into the NHS and would also be fixed by anyone that votes Tory not using it any more :D
It could be scrapped for all I care as long as there is government regulations so private prices cannot become stupid like America
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On May 08 2015 18:19 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 18:18 Gowerly wrote:On May 08 2015 18:16 Drazerk wrote:On May 08 2015 18:05 Gowerly wrote:
OH WELL. VIDEOGAMES
I'd also like to petition so that everyone that voted Tory is banned from using the NHS for anything at all. You must now buy your own insurance. The NHS waiting list for the treatment I need is 4 years. Privately I could get it in 5 weeks and its better quality service and honestly not that expensive. I have no love for the NHS and would rather it be reformed but that'd be way too expensive to do so we kind of just have to deal with a really poor quality service. Then I would suggest what you have is no love for a government that doesn't put any money into the NHS and would also be fixed by anyone that votes Tory not using it any more :D It could be scrapped for all I care as long as there is government regulations so private prices cannot become stupid like America
Any non-nationalised system would immediately become stupid like America. Most of their prices are simply because there are so many small groups buying their stuff individually.
They spend $500 Billion more than we do simply because they don't purchase as one entity.
Non-coincidentally, Medicare/Medicaid get the cheapest prices simply because they are the largest buyers.
Pretty much every developed country uses the same system we do, they just put more money into it than we do.
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