EPTThere's *some* appetite for a far left govt in the UK but not enough compared to the amount of hate there is for leftism.
I suppose there's a small opportunity for Corbyn but I doubt it.
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
There's *some* appetite for a far left govt in the UK but not enough compared to the amount of hate there is for leftism. I suppose there's a small opportunity for Corbyn but I doubt it. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On October 23 2019 00:59 Zealos wrote: actually the tories are doing pretty well in the polls  These things are quite unrelated though. It's unfathomable how many times BJ has already not done something he claimed he would if he didn't get his way. Boy am I glad the big baby's tantrums aren't appeased. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On October 23 2019 01:06 Jockmcplop wrote: The tories can't really fail as long as labour is far left. There's *some* appetite for a far left govt in the UK but not enough compared to the amount of hate there is for leftism. I suppose there's a small opportunity for Corbyn but I doubt it. Conservatives got like 6% in the last nation wide election and were down to 20% in GE Polls about 6 months ago so they can certainly lose but I think Boris is in a win win situation now that he has a deal and the MPs won't even pass it, he can seem the reasonable one, it looks like he hasn't taken a hit by the extension request although might have to wait until after the 31st to see that fully. Corbyn's only hope of recovery is to have brexit pass but without his help and then for Boris to screw up the union/economy in the next couple of years. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
How this can be spun into a win for BJ I'm at a loss to comprehend. I guess much of it boils down to fatigue. Even MPs who voted agains May's ostensibly better deal now crumbled and voted for BJ's, in his own words, "surrender" deal. That of course is challenged in the courts as being against the law regarding the Irish border questions. Can't believe how this actually is a win. Let's drive the bus off the cliff, BJ says it can fly, though he took the ferry over himself. But of course, as an outsider it's hard to imagine what this process must've been like. Get on with it, no matter the consequence, could be a valid position to hold. Oh and now that I think of it, it wAs BJ after all who rejects (is scared shitless of) proper scrutiny of his "deal" so that even if parliament wanted to deal with it, it can't. What a great leader. Do it my way or don't do it. Shit how can this be applauded. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Acting in the interest of himself instead of the country. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
Turns out a lot of MP's don't care about Ireland. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12028 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On October 23 2019 18:30 Gorsameth wrote: If you don't care about Ireland Boris's deal is better for the UK (assuming you want Brexit in the first place) because it doesn't tie them to the EU for another decade plus. Now only Northern Ireland gets stuck forever, because even tho they have a right to vote on it they can't legal leave the EU customs union without violating the Good Friday agreement. Turns out a lot of MP's don't care about Ireland. "gets stuck forever" is probably the ideal scenario for Ireland and NI. Brexit has been madness from day 1, at least now NI gets to sidestep much of the downside because of this makeshift customs union, and Ireland gets what it wants (free transit of people and goods with NI). The only surprising thing is if this turn out to be acceptable to those who in other times would have seen this as compromising the UK's territorial integrity. May, for example, claimed such an arrangement would be unacceptable to any UK PM. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On October 23 2019 18:30 Gorsameth wrote: If you don't care about Ireland Boris's deal is better for the UK (assuming you want Brexit in the first place) because it doesn't tie them to the EU for another decade plus. Now only Northern Ireland gets stuck forever, because even tho they have a right to vote on it they can't legal leave the EU customs union without violating the Good Friday agreement. Turns out a lot of MP's don't care about Ireland. Who’d have thought it?! | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
I guess this could be the start of the end of the union. And that's happening during a conservative "government". | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12028 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
On October 24 2019 02:09 Zaros wrote: Legally it can't vote to end it as it would lead to a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland which is a violation of the Good Friday agreement.Guys they only abandoned NI for 4 years, after 4 years the arrangements end by default unless a majority of the NI assembly want to keep them. Which is why everyone is talking about it being indefinitely. And no a trade deal between the UK and EU would not solve that border, checks have to happen somewhere at it can't be between Ireland and Northern Ireland so it has to be in the Irish Sea. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On October 24 2019 02:09 Zaros wrote: Guys they only abandoned NI for 4 years, after 4 years the arrangements end by default unless a majority of the NI assembly want to keep them. That's a BJ talking point - distortingly simplified and rather far from the truth | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
The only accomplishment Johnson made was to tie the status of NI to a vote in it's Parliament. And he made major concessions to get it. | ||
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pmh
1416 Posts
On October 24 2019 02:09 Zaros wrote: Guys they only abandoned NI for 4 years, after 4 years the arrangements end by default unless a majority of the NI assembly want to keep them. The vast majority will want to keep the arrangement and happily extend for 8 years with 2/3rd majority. If NI economy gets a boost then that is good for everyone. Why fight when there is a lot of money to be made. Anyway:british parliament is dumb,thinkin to have all the time of the world and then some more. Its annoying. in or out,just get it over with. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
British parliament is not a monolithic organisation. British Parliament is supposed to be collaborative and both PM's have chosen not to and have insisted on ignoring parliament. Then act shocked when parliament is uncooperative. For better or worse no party currently commands a majority, and the two biggest parties are trying to appeal to voters on both sides. | ||
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