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On November 01 2019 01:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
Absolutely nothing has been said in the UK press about the continuing extradiction of Julian Assange.
The only reports I've seen have been on RT which I won't link because its a bad source. However, John Pilger relayed his first hand account of the court hearing and its pretty shocking. Apparently Assange could barely speak and has lost a massive amount of weight, having been kept in solitary confinement since his arrest. The 'judge' in the court case was a magistrate (a civilian) who according to Pilger was clearly biased.
The hearing was to determine whether or not there could be a delay in his extradition to America. Why was none of this reported at all in the UK News?
I understand that there's other stuff going on but you would expect some kind of coverage, especially given Assange's allegedly deteriorating physical and mental condition.
I suspect it hasn't been reported because various editors, across differing titles/websites decided it wasn't worth covering
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On November 01 2019 01:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
Absolutely nothing has been said in the UK press about the continuing extradiction of Julian Assange.
The only reports I've seen have been on RT which I won't link because its a bad source. However, John Pilger relayed his first hand account of the court hearing and its pretty shocking. Apparently Assange could barely speak and has lost a massive amount of weight, having been kept in solitary confinement since his arrest. The 'judge' in the court case was a magistrate (a civilian) who according to Pilger was clearly biased.
The hearing was to determine whether or not there could be a delay in his extradition to America. Why was none of this reported at all in the UK News?
I understand that there's other stuff going on but you would expect some kind of coverage, especially given Assange's allegedly deteriorating physical and mental condition.
I think most people presumed he'd be tortured and those that supported his imprisonment saw it as collateral damage more or less.
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I don't care one bit what happends to Assange personally but it's worth noting that John Pilger is a long time ardent Assange supporter. It's hardly surprising he wants to paint a certain picture. Oh and I read about it in the Guardian so that's at least one paper that covered it.
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A good reminder yet again that the Guardian does good journalism and those who claim otherwise are being deliberately dishonest.
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On November 04 2019 23:59 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
A good reminder yet again that the Guardian does good journalism and those who claim otherwise are being deliberately dishonest.
I generally agree they just particularly botched it when they ran the headline "Manafort held secret talks with Assange in Ecuadorian embassy". They later added "sources say" and a couple other qualifiers in the piece, since it turned out to be completely fictional as far as I can tell.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/27/manafort-held-secret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy
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Sir Lindsay Hoyle elected new speaker, should be in complete contrast to Bercow.
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On November 05 2019 04:36 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2019 23:59 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
A good reminder yet again that the Guardian does good journalism and those who claim otherwise are being deliberately dishonest. I generally agree they just particularly botched it when they ran the headline "Manafort held secret talks with Assange in Ecuadorian embassy". They later added "sources say" and a couple other qualifiers in the piece, since it turned out to be completely fictional as far as I can tell. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/27/manafort-held-secret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy
I read the newspaper. You have to spend money to get good reliable news. Where you aren't the product, but the buyer.
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On October 30 2019 18:36 Laurens wrote:
Interesting developments. I was convinced Brexit would happen until now. Looking forward to the results of the election.
NOT looking forward to the massive riots that will happen when/if Brexit is revoked, however.
Nah. Boris will win the election and we'll leave.
This is the only circumstance where Boris Johnson becomes our actual Prime Minister, and it's worked out perfectly for him.
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United States44171 Posts
Personally I hold Corbyn more to blame than anyone else. In a time of national crisis the opposition has been led by a knitted jumper without the personality.
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On November 05 2019 09:57 KwarK wrote:
Personally I hold Corbyn more to blame than anyone else. In a time of national crisis the opposition has been led by a knitted jumper without the personality.
Corbyn's entirely to blame. Labour hasn't had a leader as popular as Corbyn in 20 years and he pissed it all away. The party didn't help by trying to dumpster him... but it turns out the party was right and the voters were wrong, in the end. Because here we are, and Corbyn's pretty much ruined Labour and almost certainly caused it to lose against two of the weakest Tory PMs in a generation (May and, if it pans out as I expect, Johnson, who has ALREADY pissed off his own party multiple times).
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I don't think you can actually logically and reasonably say Corbyn is the "most to blame"
I'm angry that he didn't do more to keep us in the EU, but his actions need to be put into perspective.
Being a "shit opposition" is still a great deal better than the politicians actively driving us into the national crisis
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On November 05 2019 09:57 KwarK wrote:
Personally I hold Corbyn more to blame than anyone else. In a time of national crisis the opposition has been led by a knitted jumper without the personality.
It is surprising to see Corbyn still functioning as top dog. In the US, we tend to get mad about the other side winning and put our thrust behind a new solution that is typically more angry and charismatic than our previous leader. How has Corbyn managed to hold relevant for so long?
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United States44171 Posts
On November 06 2019 01:54 Zealos wrote:
I don't think you can actually logically and reasonably say Corbyn is the "most to blame"
I'm angry that he didn't do more to keep us in the EU, but his actions need to be put into perspective.
Being a "shit opposition" is still a great deal better than the politicians actively driving us into the national crisis
Parliament rules, and Corbyn is responsible for a sizable chunk of Parliament. He’s also responsible for dethroning the shitty Conservatives. Obviously Boris is terrible but Corbyn is the reason we have terrible people in charge. He’s failed spectacularly to offer the people a credible alternative to Boris which is remarkable really.
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And Labour voters are the reason Corbyn is in charge, which should mean they are 'more to blame than anyone'. Seems like a very backward way of determining who's to blame. Surely the responsibility primarily lies with those actually doing the deed and those supporting them.
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Can't really put it much better.
I do share your frustration with Corbyn though, I just feel like its indicative of the media hostility toward him that he's seen as a kind of anti-christ
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On November 06 2019 04:23 Zealos wrote:
Can't really put it much better.
I do share your frustration with Corbyn though, I just feel like its indicative of the media hostility toward him that he's seen as a kind of anti-christ
Is it basically like if Hilary Clinton stayed on top of the US democratic party?
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United States44171 Posts
What is Corbyn’s Brexit stance? I don’t actually know which is part of the problem.
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On November 06 2019 04:56 KwarK wrote:
What is Corbyn’s Brexit stance? I don’t actually know which is part of the problem. He has chosen for the cowards tactic of no stance, at the somewhat recent party conference they decided Labours position was to hold a second referendum between remaining in the EU and 'a sensible deal'. How they would negotiate a deal without a position on Brexit or what a sensible deal even is is something that I don't think they explained.
Gee, I wonder why a political party who's position on the biggest question in decades is "I donno, what do you think" isn't polling very well....
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United States44171 Posts
On November 06 2019 05:02 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2019 04:56 KwarK wrote:
What is Corbyn’s Brexit stance? I don’t actually know which is part of the problem. He has chosen for the cowards tactic of no stance, at the somewhat recent party conference they decided Labours position was to hold a second referendum between remaining in the EU and 'a sensible deal'. How they would negotiate a deal without a position on Brexit or what a sensible deal even is is something that I don't think they explained. Gee, I wonder why a political party who's position on the biggest question in decades is "I donno, what do you think" isn't polling very well....
Pretty much what I thought. A dog could win this election with “If elected I will revoke article 50 because this Brexit shit is taking years and nobody cares anymore and we need to talk about police and public services and the NHS and pensions and all of that shit is way more important than Brexit but we just can’t do any of it until Brexit is over so we just need it to be over so fuck it, leave, stay, I don’t fucking care anymore but apparently we can’t leave so let’s just stay so we can stop fucking talking about it and talk about the NHS instead”.
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
well, the tory campaign is off to a roaring start:
Rees-Mogg's Grenfell comments
Tory candidate says people on benefits should be put down
Gets caught faking a video about Keir Starmer (and then tries to explain it away as a joke)
Welsh secretary & rape trial
and they probably will still win because labour are incompetent
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