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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9661 Posts
September 03 2019 14:40 GMT
#11001
Everyone should watch this space for our Jezza agreeing to an early election, letting Boris use it to force no deal and then trying to take advantage of the chaos.
RIP Meatloaf <3
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42840 Posts
September 03 2019 14:48 GMT
#11002
Every time it looks like there’s a chance Boris might be thwarted the pound jumps. Every time he survives it tumbles. It’s a strange world when the pound is falling on the idea that a Conservative PM may stay in power. It also shows that the markets have a very strong idea of what Brexit will do to the British economy.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
September 03 2019 15:02 GMT
#11003
It's a strange universe where daily mail commenters are attacking brexit and are getting upvotes for it
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Banaora
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany234 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 16:21:46
September 03 2019 15:52 GMT
#11004
The next attempt by members (Oliver Letwin, Dominic Grieve, Philip Hammond, ...) of the House to prevent leaving the EU without a deal.

European Union (Withdrawal): Motion submitted under standing order 24 (emergency debates) - probably will be debated at around 19 BST today:

That the House has considered the matter of the need to take all necessary steps to ensure that the United Kingdom does not leave the European Union on 31 October 2019 without a withdrawal agreement and accordingly makes provision as set out in this order:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmagenda/OP190903so24.pdf
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
September 03 2019 16:22 GMT
#11005
So the government doesn't even have a majority anymore. With some labour rebels and Elphicke voting with government despite not being formally under the tory whip everything is still up in the air for the votes tonight and tomorrow.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/03/phillip-lee-quits-tories-leaving-government-without-a-majority

Also the leaked memo suggesting that BoJo and the boys had the prorogation planned from mid august isn't good news for Tories.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 03 2019 17:07 GMT
#11006
So if an election is called is Johnson expected to lose his PM spot?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42840 Posts
September 03 2019 17:23 GMT
#11007
On September 04 2019 02:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So if an election is called is Johnson expected to lose his PM spot?

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1168911028194881537

Nobody knows. Corbyn still hasn’t put forwards a clear plan on resolving the EU crisis and FPTP is devastating for third parties.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
September 03 2019 17:26 GMT
#11008
Think it's about whether Labour manages to lose less than Conservatives would. I think expectations are that both big parties lose more seats but it should be pretty even between them. Doubtful that conservatives would kick BoJo quite this soon given the way the chair is chosen.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
September 03 2019 18:15 GMT
#11009
https://www.twitch.tv/ukparliament

watch the debate with twitch chat lmao
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 18:32:29
September 03 2019 18:30 GMT
#11010
I'm watching this debate. Is it just me, or does Jacob Rees-Mogg just ooze bad faith? Everything he says has the maximum level of spin possible. Did he basically say Brexit won't harm the British economy? It's pretty telling that people from his own party are calling him out on some of the things he is saying.

edit: To be clear, I mean that he's making claims about things (for example, saying what is going on is constitutionally irregular but when asked why he dodges the question) but refusing to justify his claims and is instead turn the question back on the person asking.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
September 03 2019 18:31 GMT
#11011
On September 04 2019 03:30 Ben... wrote:
I'm watching this debate. Is it just me, or does Jacob Rees-Mogg just ooze bad faith? Everything he says has the maximum level of spin possible. Did he basically say Brexit won't harm the British economy? It's pretty telling that people from his own party are calling him out on some of the things he is saying.

yeah, the other MPs intervening need to keep their questions short, it just gives Mogg room to evade and only answer a part of their question instead of the most important part
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1972 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 18:36:24
September 03 2019 18:35 GMT
#11012
On September 04 2019 03:30 Ben... wrote:
I'm watching this debate. Is it just me, or does Jacob Rees-Mogg just ooze bad faith? Everything he says has the maximum level of spin possible. Did he basically say Brexit won't harm the British economy? It's pretty telling that people from his own party are calling him out on some of the things he is saying.

edit: To be clear, I mean that he's making claims about things (for example, saying what is going on is constitutionally irregular but when asked why he dodges the question) but refusing to justify his claims and is instead turn the question back on the person asking.


in a party filled with slimy bastards, JRM is the slimiest.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18830 Posts
September 03 2019 18:43 GMT
#11013
On September 04 2019 03:35 Garrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2019 03:30 Ben... wrote:
I'm watching this debate. Is it just me, or does Jacob Rees-Mogg just ooze bad faith? Everything he says has the maximum level of spin possible. Did he basically say Brexit won't harm the British economy? It's pretty telling that people from his own party are calling him out on some of the things he is saying.

edit: To be clear, I mean that he's making claims about things (for example, saying what is going on is constitutionally irregular but when asked why he dodges the question) but refusing to justify his claims and is instead turn the question back on the person asking.


in a party filled with slimy bastards, JRM is the slimiest.

Definitely seems that way from afar, dude seems straight out of the Victorian Era.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1972 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 19:03:47
September 03 2019 19:01 GMT
#11014
hahahaha BBC talk straight over Ian Blackford and cut to their sideroll... they aren't even making it subtle anymore. How many times has his happened now??
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
September 03 2019 19:17 GMT
#11015
Well can you honestly expect him to say anything new? I really like him for what he does but he tends to say about two things no matter what the circumstances;
1) Scotland did not vote for the damaging tory brexit

2) Scotland must be allowed to make it's voice heard and as tories don't seem to be interested, it should do so as an independent nation.

Your criticism of BBC is still valid tho. But if they want to speak over someone he is pretty reasonable choice in terms of something unexpected being missed.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9661 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 22:22:49
September 03 2019 22:19 GMT
#11016
Boris having a normal one then.
Has a breakdown in Parliament, loses a vote and then loses more seats in a day than Theresa May did in the election.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
September 03 2019 22:21 GMT
#11017


Likely result of any election is a Boris Brexit
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42840 Posts
September 03 2019 22:39 GMT
#11018
One of the Tory defectors who the Conservatives are trying to paint as not defending British interests from European domination is the grandson of Winston Churchill.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 22:48:34
September 03 2019 22:48 GMT
#11019
I would think after the events of today it might be wise to wait and see how polls change. Today was a very bad day for Boris to say the least.

Apparently one of those who got booted from the Conservatives today as a result of their vote was Winston Churchill's grandson. Several other high profile people were also including the longest serving Conservative MP.

edit: haha Kwark beat me to it.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9661 Posts
September 03 2019 23:02 GMT
#11020
Can you imagine Boris trying to sustain an election campaign under pressure if he fails like he did today? It'll be Theresa May all over again, except he just sacked half the competent people in his party.

Is he going to refuse to debate again? I don't think the public will accept it.
RIP Meatloaf <3
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